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Burkion posted:Yeah that's also a whole thing with horror. It's the bastard child of the movie genres and we all know it.
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Fixed! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n6SHJst0-U I haven't seen it myself, was this the one where due to some misunderstanding they borrowed a coffin from the funeral home Criswell's family ran but hosed up and took some like real deal antique actual coffin from the 1800s and then filmed nude scene in it and also there's some lost footage of Ed Wood like nude except for a wizard hat? Debbie Does Dagon posted:Given the availability problems with some of the films, do we want to think about streaming a few over Discord? Discord's streaming is pretty good, for free it streams at 30FPS and 720 and caps at 10 people, so even with a not amazing upload speed it should work fine for you. We stream a movie to a bunch of our friends every Saturday night with it and haven't had any problems with it. It's very easy to switch which screen your streaming too so we expose everyone to compilations of cult/horror movie trailers prior to it, it's been great. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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Jun 11, 2020 02:44
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Okay, this might be the greatest thing I've ever seen. I withdraw my request, everyone needs to see this. As for Final Curtain, my knowledge of it extends to "It exists, and is easily available". It appears to be about some guy wandering around a theatre after dark.
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Jun 11, 2020 03:12
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TrixRabbi posted:Eh, I think it should be on the respective quality of the films. If Jordan Peele runs up against Herschell Gordon Lewis, Lewis may have been around long enough to have a full filmography but did he make anything remotely as good as Get Out? That's a debate to be had when we get to the matchups and I think it's fair. The directors with smaller filmographies are in here because they've so far proven themselves exceptional in a way that warrants graduation into the big leagues. By their inclusion at all, we're saying they can hold their own against guys who've specialized in this genre for decades. Can two great horror movies beat out entire filmographies is a worthwhile question we'll put to the test. Burkion posted:There are also cases like with James Whale who only ever got to make the four horror films due to bullshit going on at the time. An openly gay man getting screwed over by the studio and then shut out of the industry in the 40s, and then the latter portion of his life, he never had the chance to make more than what he did. Sorry if I make no sense, I'm going through some heavy personal poo poo at the moment. I've been kinda thinking along these tangents regarding the directors with a small qualifying filmography. With Whale, I feel there's enough extenuating circumstances such as the studio bullshit which is why he's got the small amount compared to someone like Polanski who's got what...Rosemary's Baby, Fearless Vampire Killers, Ninth Gate and Repulsion out of his entire catalog which to me makes Whale qualify for the lost potential but Polanski doesn't because he chose to only make that few.
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Jun 11, 2020 09:31
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So many words typed for a contest that was over when someone nominated John Carpenter.
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Jun 11, 2020 13:59
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Carpenter's already won is the new Jason has already won.
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Jun 11, 2020 14:25
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Yea I'd say that Carpenter is probably the safest bet to get to the Final Four, but beyond that who knows. I don't see him going down early though just because I feel like he has a wider base of support than some of the others due to the wider range of movies he made.
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Jun 11, 2020 14:37
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I will tell you, looking at the early results, that only one director has appeared on every ballot, and it isn't Tobe Hooper or George Romero. Joe Dante
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Jun 11, 2020 16:20
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TrixRabbi posted:Carpenter's already won is the new Jason has already won. 1. I was totally just talking poo poo, because I just want to gosh dang vote on some stuff. 2. Jason never was going to win and didn’t deserve to. He made it too far, if you ask me.
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Jun 11, 2020 16:21
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Shrecknet posted:I will tell you, looking at the early results, that only one director has appeared on every ballot, and it isn't Tobe Hooper or George Romero. Even though I was a loud voice in the previous thread championing Romero, I didn't vote for him this time. He's a great storyteller, and a very competent director, but I don't think he has the stuff to go all the way. Instead I spread my votes between smaller directors whose voices aren't regularly heard or uplifted around here. I'd much rather that this thread becomes somewhere where people discover new favourites, and pleasant surprises, rathering than just putting the crown on one of the usual suspects. I'm 100% Team Upset. Gremlins 2 is the greatest film ever made
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Jun 11, 2020 18:53
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I can respect elevating lesser appreciated names especially since this tournament is a sham and not for Best Director but is Joe Dante really one of those? But I'm suddenly irrationally terrified Wes won't make the tournament or will be a 13 seed or something.
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Jun 11, 2020 19:00
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I totally meant those as separate statements, sorry. I just got excited and couldn't resist fangirling over Gremlins
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Jun 11, 2020 19:14
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Can the organisers let me know if they are going to allow Landis and Polanski to be involved?
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Jun 11, 2020 19:33
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I've gotten the vibe that we're all content to turn our heads and mutter "gently caress those pricks."
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Jun 11, 2020 19:37
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I was just assuming we'd all vote them out in the first round, allowing their loss to buoy a lesser-known but more deserving director to another round.
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Jun 11, 2020 20:02
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I imagine if we threw Polanski in there a lot of us would resist voting for him and he'd get a low seed anyway so he'd just fall to a high seed. We probably get the same exposure for a more obscure director just by letting someone else take Polanski's spot in the tournament. If we're agreeing that the point of this is to expose ourselves to stuff rather than venerate the true and deserving king of horror then there's no real point in including Polanski since we've either seen his stuff or we really don't want to expose more people to him and build more respect for his work. He's had more than he deserves. Like I almost feel like we should just pull Nightmare and Scream from Wes' list and replace it with People Under The Stairs and Serpent and the Rainbow in the name of "expose" over "venerate". And then just follow suit with the other big wigs. Also I apologize for besmirching Tobe Hooper's Invaders from Mars because I actually had it confused with Tim Burton's Mars Attacks! That's my bad. I'll be watching Hooper's film tonight in penance.
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Jun 11, 2020 20:40
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Hooper is definitely a bigger threat in this tournament than people might realize. He's obviously got the big heavy hitter that he can roll for the easy win, but his other stuff is all very solid and pretty varied. If he ends up with a lower seed he could definitely take out one of the icons.
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Jun 11, 2020 20:49
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Yeah, I didn't realize until the last couple of years how drat eclectic Hooper is. I always thought of him solely as the TCM guy but Poltergeist, TCM 2, Lifeforce, Salem's Lot... he's all over the place and he makes it all work. I now understand why Burkion included Salem's Lot and Invader from Mars and left out Poltergeist and am more sympathetic to us adopting that approach across the board.
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Jun 11, 2020 20:53
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Going by the previous bracket, I think the early stages will be naturally geared toward exposure, but as the field becomes whittled down it'll pivot toward veneration. I honestly wouldn't worry too much about Wes, Carpenter et al. If people are worried though, I'm sure it's not too early to argue for a preferred lineup. I'm hoping that enough people vote for Helene Cattet/Bruno Forzani for them to get a good seed. They only really have two films, but both are exquisitely beautiful and deserve exposure
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Jun 11, 2020 20:59
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I've had Amer on my watchlist since you talked it up but like... they seem like another case of not terribly convenient to get hands on directors.
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Jun 11, 2020 21:02
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Basebf555 posted:That's the thing though, you can't have that conversation because you're only supposed to consider whichever film ends up being selected. So you can't say "Did John Carpenter make anything as good as Get Out?" if he gets a lovely dice roll and ends up getting Prince of Darkness. You then have to decide the matchup on those two films alone, Get Out vs. Prince of Darkness and that's it, which would be kinda weird because you know, it's Carpenter. You call that a lovely die roll? If I had to rank the six Carpenter movies I put forward, Prince of Darkness would be third. The only movie on that list which I would vote for Get Out over is ITMOM, possibly Christine if I'd just had to watch Escape from LA again for some unknown reason.
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Jun 11, 2020 21:05
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Jedit posted:You call that a lovely die roll? If I had to rank the six Carpenter movies I put forward, Prince of Darkness would be third. The only movie on that list which I would vote for Get Out over is ITMOM, possibly Christine if I'd just had to watch Escape from LA again for some unknown reason. To be clear, nothing is a lovely roll for Carpenter in my eyes. I had to pick something as an example. Personally I'd vote for any of Carpenter's selections over 90% of the movies in this tournament.
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Jun 11, 2020 21:08
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Yeah, Carpenter just has a really stacked catalogue in general and I love Prince of Darkness but its kind of slow and oblique compared to other Carpenter stuff. Like there's a lot of physicists talking about odd metaphysical stuff while Alice Cooper just gets grungy on the street. I love it but it wouldn't necessarily be one of my first recommendations to expose someone to Carpenter. The Fog is also like one of my absolute favorite horror films and probably no worse than #2 with my Carpenter films but similarly its kind of slow and a lot of character work and dialogue. And I think this audience generally goes more for stuff like The Thing and Mouth of Madness. There was even some dirt thrown at the OG Halloween last round.
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Jun 11, 2020 21:11
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STAC Goat posted:I've had Amer on my watchlist since you talked it up but like... they seem like another case of not terribly convenient to get hands on directors. This is precisely why I'm looking into streaming over Discord. Not just for Amer, but to give potential access to the hundreds of films in this tournament which have limited availability.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, I didn't realize until the last couple of years how drat eclectic Hooper is. I always thought of him solely as the TCM guy but Poltergeist, TCM 2, Lifeforce, Salem's Lot... he's all over the place and he makes it all work. I now understand why Burkion included Salem's Lot and Invader from Mars and left out Poltergeist and am more sympathetic to us adopting that approach across the board. Thank you. For what it's worth, Invader From Mars is a really good Effects film that I think Tobe Hooper did an excellent job with. It's another remake of a 1950s original, though it doesn't get the same kind of attention as The Thing and The Blob do. It's probably not one of his best movies, but it looks pretty drat great
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Clearly though if Carpenter rolls Halloween or The Thing, he wins any matchup easily, at least for the first few rounds. Anything else and the door is at least a little bit open for an upset. This is of course assuming that people really to take the rules seriously as opposed to just voting based on overall resume.
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I intend to be stubborn about sticking to the rules but I think it will be a case by case basis for some. Like if its Get Out vs Nightmare on Elm Street its real easy to vote Nightmare because you like Wes more even if you think Get Out is a better stand alone film than Nightmare. And if its Get Out vs Hills Have Eyes maybe you could still make an argument for Hills without acknowledging its about Wes. But if its Get Out vs Last House On The Left its real hard to justify not giving Peele that one.
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Basebf555 posted:Clearly though if Carpenter rolls Halloween or The Thing, he wins any matchup easily, at least for the first few rounds. Anything else and the door is at least a little bit open for an upset. There's some movies out there that trump Halloween pretty easily. I'll be interested to see how the randomization plays out
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Burkion posted:Thank you. I didn't even realize it was a different movie than the Burton one I was thinking of until I happened to be perusing the horror selection on a new app last night and saw Invaders from Mars on it. I completely brain farted on that. Mea culpa.
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Jun 11, 2020 21:48
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So how long does this seed voting last for until we have a bracket?
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Jun 11, 2020 23:06
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Y'all making me feel bad for nominating Polanski in the first place 
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Jun 11, 2020 23:32
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I don't judge someone for being able to separate art from artist. Its a complicated idea. Rosemary's Baby is probably a Top 5 horror film for me but I haven't watched it in many years because I've become very conflicted over it. Even though I already own the copy so its not like I'm giving him any money or supporting him, but still...
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married but discreet posted:Y'all making me feel bad for nominating Polanski in the first place His work, just like Landis, has its place in history and is good. Landis made some iconic movies that will far outlive his own legacy. But when we're talking about the director's themselves, which is effectively what this whole thing is about, they deserve no celebration and no praise. They are lovely people that happened to make good movies.
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So what are people intended to be voting on in this, exactly? Quality of the films that come up against each other? Quality, specifically, of their direction? Or the charisma of the directors?
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I mean, maybe I'm misinterpreting this entire thing but it seems like the rules are specifically designed to go "Movie vs Movie" without other stuff about the directors factored in like "charisma". Although certainly you could get indepth into the individual film directions and like maybe you'd have something like where you think Film A is better but Film B owes more to the director or something. That seems like a case by case call. Its tough to divorce directing from a film but there's certainly some bad/mediocre films I think are elevated by their directing and some good films I think are hurt by their directing.
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Alright, votes are in, we have enough to make a bracket, I did a "sort/random" on the top 8 directors who get their seeds, it's time to d-d-d-d-DUEL!! Here's the Bracket! I'll be posting the matchups tomorrow morning after hitting random.org for a number, 1-6. I'll also be totally randomizing each director's filmography. Now is the time to argue over seeds and make predictions. Clever viewers will note I lumped all 7 qualifying 2-film directors in their own sub-bracket so that we won't have to argue over quantity vs quality. If anyone wants to take a stab at re-naming the divisions, go nuts. Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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Well let's see how far you can go Honda
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Hélène Cattet & Bruno Forzani are gone before they could even fire a shot in anger...
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Hélène Cattet & Bruno Forzani are gone before they could even fire a shot in anger... Came down to three things I expect. FIrst, The Strange Color of Your Body's Tears is fairly divisive. I don't really like it myself. Second, not a lot of people have seen Amer. Third, Let the Corpses Tan isn't horror, and I think that is their best film. Anyway the bracket looks pretty solid overall, I don't have a lot of seeding complaints. Carpenter missing out on a 1 seed is weird but I know that was just a random draw.
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Good looking bracket. Heads up, you drew the last big line between brackets one cell too high. That last bottom bracket with Carpenter, Hooper, Yuzna, Scott, and Kurosawa is nuts. Whale vs Gordon second round is gonna be rough. drat 4/5 matchups. I could see 6 DePalma knocking off 2 Romero second round. And honestly, Honda has a path to the Final Four if that happens. Burton vs Del Toro first round. With Wes possibly next round? drat. Although of course Wes got a 5. You rat bastards. 14 seed for Flanagan. I had very little hope for him but that's probably shot against STAC Goat posted:Jordan Peele sneaks into a 4 seed or something. Shrecknet posted:If anyone wants to take a stab at re-naming the divisions, go nuts. Well you got Argento/Bava, Lynch/Hitchcock, Miike/Honda and Zombie/Carpenter. You couldn't have been done that by accident. So like something along the likes of Giallo, Psychological, J-Horror, and Slasher seems natural. Gotta be more clever ways to say that though. Or Rome, Hollywood, Tokyo, and Haddonfield? Something along those lines? STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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