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Starks posted:I’ve never seen it as a complaint on these forums I guess. Like I read the threads for Rdr2, re2make, dark souls etc and I’ve never seen it come up. It feels like people don’t really care now, they just want to be right about this game and are looking for reasons to “dog pile” it hahaha. i mean yeah, goons are unfeeling monsters. i've had multiple friends who've complained about how dogkilling happy AAA games can be so it doesn't feel inexplicable that some people aren't happy about it personally i just hate dog enemies because they're always very boring
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its creepy when people are worried more about dogs than humans both in real life and in games
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Stux posted:its creepy when people are worried more about dogs than humans both in real life and in games i can't believe it.... a stux post i agree with?!
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Jun 12, 2020 14:58
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perhaps there could be some kind of game where murder is...bad????????????
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dogstile posted:Wonder how much money they've given out to reviewers, considering that the only guy i can find who actually seems to criticise the story AND gameplay mentions that it basically doesn't innovate and has ridiculous plot holes. 10/10 by the way. How do people still think this is an actual thing? At best they're giving them a free game code for the review.
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There's no direct payoff but reviewers are entirely dependent on the goodwill of games developers. Doubt the guy who strongly suggested that they shouldn't have made this game in his closing paragraph is getting advanced access to review ND's next title.
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Jun 12, 2020 15:04
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Remember The Last Jedi? 90% on rotten tomatoes yet fans hated it and it destroyed the franchise.
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Stux posted:its creepy when people are worried more about dogs than humans both in real life and in games I've never seen a dog make posts as bad as yours!
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Irony Be My Shield posted:There's no direct payoff but reviewers are entirely dependent on the goodwill of games developers. Doubt the guy who strongly suggested that they shouldn't have made this game in his closing paragraph is getting advanced access to review ND's next title. That's not prevented negative reviews for games on TLOU's level, or games even from the same publisher. (Death Stranding, Days Gone, etc.) It's not as much of a pressure as people seem to think it is - the one thing that guarantees you getting cut off is breaking NDA or content embargoes.
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Starks posted:Remember The Last Jedi? 90% on rotten tomatoes yet fans hated it and it destroyed the franchise. Fans did not hate Last Jedi. A specific group of fans angry at being told to stop begging for the same thing over and over did. Then Disney listened to them and made easily the shittiest film in the franchise
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Irony Be My Shield posted:There's no direct payoff but reviewers are entirely dependent on the goodwill of games developers. Doubt the guy who strongly suggested that they shouldn't have made this game in his closing paragraph is getting advanced access to review ND's next title. I have personally given bad reviews to games and have never been cut off from future reviews. Likewise good reviews do not come with a check. Like maybe if you were IGN when it was big or something or you are a YouTube Infuencer these things happen but assuming every positive review is paid for is dumb. Sometimes people just like things. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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Jun 12, 2020 15:11
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HampHamp posted:I don't think we're gonna see eye to eye on this unfortunately, purely talking about the original game. The sequel may be as bad as you're saying, I'm not gonna pass judgement on that until I've played it, but I honestly have no idea what games you're playing that have better dialogue and acting than the original. Hell even uncharted, as schlocky as it is, puts most other games to shame with the dialogue and acting. I would agree that TLoU puts most other games to shame with the dialogue and acting. But that's down to them giving the actors an opportunity to act like human people. Which, again, absolutely does put it in the top echelon of video games, where you typically have an actor reading lines off a page, usually without any context and often without even getting so much as a physical description of the character, and then an animator matches the lip flaps and assigns one of a dozen conversation animations to it. That doesn't necessarily make it GREAT storytelling, it makes it competent. Naughty Dog is really good at making me empathize with their characters, yes, but that's because their characters manage to generally look and act like real people. It's the same reason I empathize more with seeing a man fall down and skin his knee in real life than I do when Solid Snake shoots a soldier in the head at point blank range; it's not due to the quality of the writing, it's just because my brain doesn't see Snake or the guard as actual people. Most games won't spend literal days on getting a believeable performance out of an actor dealing with watching his daughter die in front of his eyes, but that scene only really works as a result of the work that Troy Baker and Hana Hayes put into it. I've seen live theatre do much the same, and that's not because they poured millions of dollars into their animation budget.
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ImpAtom posted:I have personally given bad reviews to games and have never been cut off from future reviews. Likewise good reviews do not come with a check. Yeah. 20 years as a games journalist, I've eviscerated big budget games and nobody cut me or my publications off. I gave a negative review to GTA IV, but we still covered GTA V from previews onwards. Gave Deus Ex Human Revolution a very negative review, and Square still kept sending us games. Nobody ever gave me money or gifts for positive reviews either. I would take these "we said a bad thing about game, and THEY CUT US OFF" stories with a massive grain of salt, because often when you scrape the surface it turns out they also broke embargo to do so, their reviewer put up the game on YouTube a week before release or something dumb like that. There have been cases where PR reps have done stupid poo poo and threatened to cut publications off, but they have been very few and far between, and often those PR reps were encouraged to seek new employment soon afterwards. Back in the 80s and 90s it was a real loving wild west, though. That's when English Amiga magazines WERE literally paid for good reviews and some real wild poo poo was going down in Italy and France, but that's decades ago.
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Starks posted:Remember The Last Jedi? 90% on rotten tomatoes yet fans hated it and it destroyed the franchise. hmmm yes... i prefer a film that listens to the fans, like rise of the skywalker
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Every reviewer praising the story as provocative and tought provoking should read a loving book. So we where right and instead of Mccarty`s The Road we got Garth Ennis`s Crossed. What a waste.
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CharlestonJew posted:The Last Jedi defender has logged on TLJ was infinitely better than anything in any of the last of us games
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Zeta Acosta posted:Every reviewer praising the story as provocative and tought provoking should read a loving book. I've never read the road, but anyone who thinks its thought provoking should play a game, like TLOU.
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Zeta Acosta posted:Every reviewer praising the story as provocative and tought provoking should read a loving book. uh looks like maybe you should read one too, called the dictionary, because what the heck does "tought provoking" mean hahaha
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Stux posted:uh looks like maybe you should read one too, called the dictionary, because what the heck does "tought provoking" mean hahaha lmao Zeta Acosta posted:Every reviewer praising the story as provocative and tought provoking should read a loving book. how can I become this edgy?
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you’re laughing at that, I’m laughing at this— https://twitter.com/jeffcannata/status/1271336663587811328?s=21 — this is a game that brings joy to everyone!
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Jun 12, 2020 15:42
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:TLJ was infinitely better than anything in any of the last of us games You're insane, even flashback guilt dog murder was better than TLJ
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Starks posted:Again what is it with people freaking out about the dogs. You kill dogs in tons of games. except for the fact that in mgs a game almost 20 years old you totally can skip killing the wolfs if you play smart enough (and cheat) and it dont force a cutscene on you with HEY KILLING DOGS IS BAD OK??? VIOLENCEEEE! When loving Kojima show more restrain than you, you have a problem.
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Imagine being someone who spends $60 or more on a game that isn't fun. How embarrassing.
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murder has never been so wrong...and yet so right! 10/10
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Zeta Acosta posted:Every reviewer praising the story as provocative and tought provoking should read a loving book. Oh hey its that poster who was banned for transphobia hi transphobe
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Zeta Acosta posted:except for the fact that in mgs a game almost 20 years old you totally can skip killing the wolfs if you play smart enough (and cheat) and it dont force a cutscene on you with HEY KILLING DOGS IS BAD OK??? VIOLENCEEEE! When loving Kojima show more restrain than you, you have a problem. I don’t really play the anime games so I’m not familiar with the company you mention.
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Gabby_Jay posted:Imagine being someone who spends $60 or more on a game that isn't fun. How embarrassing. Sorry mate fun is a buzzword, you have to engage with the full range of human emotions now
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Crappy Jack posted:I would agree that TLoU puts most other games to shame with the dialogue and acting. The scene when you lost the alcoholic smile and shave in disco elysium tells a better narrative than the entire naughty dog cinematic universeTM of games with only text and images. Hell some time ago i replayed KOTOR I and II and the story still is top notch. Saying that TLOU is a good story compared to other games is like saying that X movie has good writing compared with Adam Sandler`s netflix movies.
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Bonaventure posted:you’re laughing at that, I’m laughing at this— https://twitter.com/jeffcannata/status/1271336663587811328?s=21 — this is a game that brings joy to everyone!
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Bonaventure posted:you’re laughing at that, I’m laughing at this— https://twitter.com/jeffcannata/status/1271336663587811328?s=21 — this is a game that brings joy to everyone! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2fH8FeoNs8
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Is there a further flashback that shows The dog as a puppy being rescued off the streets by the guy you kill? I don’t think I understand that killing is bad unless I have the whole story
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Zeta Acosta posted:The scene when you lost the alcoholic smile and shave in disco elysium tells a better narrative than the entire naughty dog cinematic universeTM of games with only text and images. Hell some time ago i replayed KOTOR I and II and the story still is top notch. Saying that TLOU is a good story compared to other games is like saying that X movie has good writing compared with Adam Sandler`s netflix movies. Ah yes KotoR 1 a game with excellent dialog and a logical and well thought out exploration of good and evil.
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ImpAtom posted:Ah yes KotoR 1 a game with excellent dialog and a logical and well thought out exploration of good and evil. (Light Side) Do not kill the man and his dog. (Dark Side) Kill the man and his dog.
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i don't care about fun in games so much as novelty, and it appears the only new thing tlou2 has to show me is what a dog sounds like when struck by a molotov cocktail. i could just go to liveleak for that!
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Hwurmp posted:(Light Side) Do not kill the man and his dog. Can I date the man and his dog?
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Gay Rat Wedding posted:Can I date the man and his dog? Only if the game is developed by Bioware.
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Gay Rat Wedding posted:Can I date the man and his dog? you can absolutely date many men as well as their dogs and by "date" I mean "liquidate" haha
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