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To put it very simply, the Advanced tier Reason magic class, Warlock, gets built-in Black Tomefaire and Black Magic Uses x2. This is very good... but Hubert learns zero Black Magic spells. Dark Bishop gets built-in Fiendish Blow, which is overall inferior to that combo but Hubert can actually USE it.
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Jun 12, 2020 17:38
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I had good luck running Sylvain through Dark Bishop into Dark Knight and letting him bait whole armies to death. He really hit his def and res growths, though.
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Jun 12, 2020 17:52
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I'm pretty sure the only reason that Dark Mage isn't an enemy-only class is that Hubert is required to be one storywise to fufill his schtick of being the "Scheming Dark Mage Vizier" to Edelgard's "Angry Armored Emperor". I can imagine somewhere in development some poor programer had just made the umpteenth Blue Lions map where Hubert's the boss and a higher up looks over their shoulder and says "Isn't Hubert supposed to be playable in one of the routes?" And they just say screw it, let the player use Dark Mage. On a related note it's hilarious how different Hubert comes across depending on the route. I played CF first and had this whole image of him as this competent spy/assassin/diplomat. Then I play Azure Moon and he's Cobra Commander.
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Jun 12, 2020 17:54
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Have you played either of the other routes yet? Much as I love having him around, his best moment is in those.
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Jun 12, 2020 17:59
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galagazombie posted:Then I play Azure Moon and he's Cobra Commander. Blue Lions can potentially wind up thrashing him and sending him running no less than six separate times throughout the game before finally putting him down in their seventh encounter, if I'm remembering the maps right.
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Jun 12, 2020 18:00
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Cythereal posted:Blue Lions can potentially wind up thrashing him and sending him running no less than six separate times throughout the game before finally putting him down in their seventh encounter, if I'm remembering the maps right. Paths That Will Never Cross is the Hubert theme to me
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Jun 12, 2020 18:03
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galagazombie posted:On a related note it's hilarious how different Hubert comes across depending on the route. I played CF first and had this whole image of him as this competent spy/assassin/diplomat. Then I play Azure Moon and he's Cobra Commander. That's kind of funny. The Professor being there just mellows him out since in CF, he doesn't have to be the sole weapon forwarding Edelgard's dream and can relax a bit. I look forward to whatever insanity he spits in my next playthrough. That said, holy poo poo, Edel needs a lot of time to get to S rank. I'm on chapter 16, and I just hit A on her. 
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Jun 12, 2020 18:16
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AlternateNu posted:That said, holy poo poo, Edel needs a lot of time to get to S rank. I'm on chapter 16, and I just hit A on her. Getting S rank with one person of your choice with Byleth is a plot event, not affection based. You'll specifically be given a list of everyone of compatible orientation who you have an A rank with, the mystery box, or going solo.
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Jun 12, 2020 18:18
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I appreciate you peeps responding to me! I don't know if I have energy for all 4-5 campaigns unless there is a way to speed things up but this game is cool and interesting so I might! If I consider this to be the best FE, what are some others worth playing?
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Jun 12, 2020 18:24
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Shadow225 posted:I appreciate you peeps responding to me! I don't know if I have energy for all 4-5 campaigns unless there is a way to speed things up but this game is cool and interesting so I might! Have you tried others and bounced off of them? I mean otherwise the standard recs are always going to be the GBA games (Fire Emblem and Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones) then depending on what you liked about 3 Houses the Gamecube Game Path of Radiance, the 3DS Game Fire Emblem Awakening or if you want to go really in the weeds the SNES game Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War (it has a fan translation patch). I would personally steer away from Radiant Dawn (the Wii game) until/unless you play Path of Radiance as its a direct sequel. The DS remakes are also kinda terrible and just look really bad but some people really like them if you're more into the mechanical side of the series.
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Jun 12, 2020 18:44
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Cythereal posted:Getting S rank with one person of your choice with Byleth is a plot event, not affection based. You'll specifically be given a list of everyone of compatible orientation who you have an A rank with, the mystery box, or going solo. Oh, I'm aware of that. But the "S" glows blue when they become an option, and like I said, I just got rank A on her in ch. 16. She was the last S rankable support I have available to me.
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Jun 12, 2020 18:51
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Edelgard and Dmitri are what the vast majority of people say are the definite must play routes, and you're already doing Deer, who have a meh plot saved by a great cast. Never do the Church route. It is literally the Deer but with every character but Seteth removed. Imagine instead of all the fun banter and camaraderie with the Deer you just have Seteth sitting in a room with a mute. Dmitri's route has the most unique Part 1 story wise with extra scenes the other routes don't get. But the Maps are the same. His Part two reuses a lot of maps from Deer but is very different plotwise. The Eagles have a more or less identical Part 1 but by far the most unique Part 2 in both story and levels. If you want to speed things up, you can press buttons to fast forward or even skip the battle animations, I think theres even a "skip the entire enemy turn" option (It still happens, it's just not shown graphically). As for recommendations, Echoes in hindsight definitely feels like a trial run for a lot of Three Houses gameplay design. And it has hands down the best presentation (Voice Acting, art, etc.) in the series. both 7 and 9 are generally considered the best ways to get into the series, and while they are amazing games I heartily recommend, be forewarned that they are waaay less freeform than 3H.
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Jun 12, 2020 18:57
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Do Church if you really want to kiss Rhea
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Jun 12, 2020 19:09
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Re: both Caspar and Dark Mage: y'all just aren't thinking big/dumb enough. Dark mage/bishop Caspar can stack heartseeker with his personal for -30 avoid to adjacent enemies, turning him into a close range pseudo-Ignatz that benefits your other units and letting him abuse low accuracy axe arts. Plus, since his spell list sucks anyway, it's not like you're missing out by not going warlock instead. 
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Jun 12, 2020 19:32
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Cattail Prophet posted:Re: both Caspar and Dark Mage: y'all just aren't thinking big/dumb enough. Dark mage/bishop Caspar can stack heartseeker with his personal for -30 avoid to adjacent enemies, turning him into a close range pseudo-Ignatz that benefits your other units and letting him abuse low accuracy axe arts. Sweet Lord that plan is dorky as hell and I'm totally gonna try that at some point
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Jun 12, 2020 20:38
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Cattail Prophet posted:Re: both Caspar and Dark Mage: y'all just aren't thinking big/dumb enough. Dark mage/bishop Caspar can stack heartseeker with his personal for -30 avoid to adjacent enemies, turning him into a close range pseudo-Ignatz that benefits your other units and letting him abuse low accuracy axe arts. Give me all the stupid ideas. I love the stupid ideas.
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Jun 12, 2020 22:18
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Someone tell me that I actually murder the gently caress out of Jeritza for his S rank.
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Jun 12, 2020 22:18
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Flayn makes a perfectly fine Pegasus once you raise her sword and lance skills. She learns Frozen Lance and one of the magic based sword arts. Pair those with a Levin Sword/Killer Lance and she can dish out some respectable damage. My favorite game is Fates: Conquest, and one of the reasons for that is that every character has a secondary class which is no less viable than their primary. Three Houses gives you these same insane builds to the extreme. Marianne can be a healer, a black mage, on a horse, flying or a scary sword girl and all are useful and useable for the whole game, just some builds are easier than others. And the same is true for every other unit.
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Jun 12, 2020 22:28
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daermon posted:Flayn makes a perfectly fine Pegasus once you raise her sword and lance skills. She learns Frozen Lance and one of the magic based sword arts. Pair those with a Levin Sword/Killer Lance and she can dish out some respectable damage. Have you seen Effie's magic growth? Have you?
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Jun 12, 2020 22:31
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Maid Effie is perfectly viable, especially if you grab Wary Fighter. It's a gimmick build, and a fun one and it works. Kind of like Swordmaster Marianne. Her best class is Gremory just like every female mage but she works fine as a Swordmaster or Pegasus or even a Paladin. The physical classes aren't as strong, but outside of Maddening she'll be able to contribute through endgame.
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Jun 12, 2020 22:45
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Marianne’s best class is Holy Knight, actually. It may be statistically worse than Gremory (most classes are), but she gets to ride a horse, and will politely ask you to train her as one once you get to the appropriate levels.
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Jun 13, 2020 01:52
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Marianne’s best class is Holy Knight, actually. It may be statistically worse than Gremory (most classes are), but she gets to ride a horse, and will politely ask you to train her as one once you get to the appropriate levels. Cipher seems to like the other good Bishop in that role though. 
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Jun 13, 2020 02:24
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Consider: Marianne's best class is assassin because I find it funny to make her an assassin.
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Jun 13, 2020 02:52
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Marianne's best class is Dark Flier, so she can fly next to her wife, Wyvern Lord Hilda.
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Jun 13, 2020 03:05
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AradoBalanga posted:Marianne's best class is Dark Flier, so she can fly next to her wife, Wyvern Lord Hilda. Yeah I really liked her as a dark flier! Flying healers are always great, even if she has fewer casts of her healing spells.
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Jun 13, 2020 03:48
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AradoBalanga posted:Marianne's best class is Dark Flier, so she can fly next to her wife, Wyvern Lord Hilda. Correct Hey is anyone else finding the DLC paralouges to be hot bullshit? I'm admittedly handicapping myself by doing a gimmick run, but Anna's is making me tear my hair out. The surprise reinforcement have enormous range, spawn from every corner of the map, and have way too many bow knights when my run is uh, an all flier run. I've about given up on 100%ing the treasure, I'm just trying to maximise what I can get at this point.
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Jun 13, 2020 04:08
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Marianne’s best class is Holy Knight, actually. It may be statistically worse than Gremory (most classes are), but she gets to ride a horse, and will politely ask you to train her as one once you get to the appropriate levels. My first run was a blind Golden Deer run. Marianne was a Holy Knight, Dark Knight and Gremory. She performed best as a Dark Knight but Holy just looked better on her.
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Jun 13, 2020 04:17
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Constance's paralouge wasn't too bad once you figured out the trick to keep every unit from swarming you all at once, but Anna's and Hapi's are infuriating.
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Jun 13, 2020 04:17
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They are like a higher level of difficulty in and of themselves, yeah. Took me a LOT of tries to get through them all. edit: technically I was also doing a gimmick run, that of "don't recruit Lysithea until post-skip" because I wanted to see that dialogue, but it did restrict my warp-skip options a lot. Not that it would have helped that much in those maps. Metis of the Chat Thread fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Jun 13, 2020 04:29
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capitaldelendaest posted:Correct Hapi/Balthus does benefit from having a lot of fliers to zip over to the main action and clean up. The best course of action is to whittle down the initial enemies, and let the reinforcements come to you. That way, they have to play by your rules and your setups. Try saving Baron von Ochs for last (he won't move as long as you don't target him or his two warlock buddies), so you can defeat him and then be in position to defeat his second form.
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Jun 13, 2020 04:46
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Thanks for the advice! I honestly totally forgot mounting/dismounting is a thing.
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Jun 13, 2020 04:54
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here's the strat for black market scheme: don't deploy anyone in the four bottom left corner unit slots, and with the rest just make a break over here asap. yes, it's really really boring and tedious, but this map just sucks unfortunately
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Jun 13, 2020 05:41
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Cyril is annoying and I'm gonna get him murdered.
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Jun 13, 2020 08:28
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The DLC thing I found the hardest (outside the actual DLC) was that quest Balthus gives you on that annoying rope bridge Goneril map with just thirty wyvern lords. And then to add insult to injury afterwards he's like "haha that was fun, hey you really should meet Holst some time" I want to but I can't
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Jun 13, 2020 11:37
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Shadow225 posted:I appreciate you peeps responding to me! I don't know if I have energy for all 4-5 campaigns unless there is a way to speed things up but this game is cool and interesting so I might! Play Awakening.
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Jun 13, 2020 11:42
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eating only apples posted:The DLC thing I found the hardest (outside the actual DLC) was that quest Balthus gives you on that annoying rope bridge Goneril map with just thirty wyvern lords. And then to add insult to injury afterwards he's like "haha that was fun, hey you really should meet Holst some time" i guess the beginning bit is a bit hairy but you can easily deploy such that your formation can stand up to some punishment.
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Jun 13, 2020 11:45
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Natural 20 posted:Play Awakening. Awakening was super good and was far closer to a traditional FE game than Three Houses is. Three Houses strikes me as the Valkyria Chronicles 2 of FE. Still fun, and I'll definitely dump 200+ hours into it, but overall worse than the more traditional ones, VC1 and 4. (I'm still mad VC3 never got a port.) AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Jun 13, 2020 11:46
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Mercedes getting mad at Annette was weird. She said she blamed her for their getting threatened by the rogue, which makes no sense and also Annette didn't say that. Edit: lol I liked Dimitri losing his poo poo at Remire Village. snoremac fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Jun 13, 2020 12:55
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snoremac posted:Mercedes getting mad at Annette was weird. She said she blamed her for their getting threatened by the rogue, which makes no sense and also Annette didn't say that. If there is one thing that makes Mercedes go berserk, it's people putting themselves in danger for her sake.
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It's a weird support. I think something might have been lost in translation there? It feels like it's lacking the right impetus for their fight.
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