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Veks posted:Finally, white moderates will learn that killing is bad and will want to defund the police. actually TLoU2 taught me that dog killing is a deeply moving experience I'm gonna go kill some dogs irl right now
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Jun 12, 2020 17:46
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Zeta Acosta posted:please dont How else will he protect his pukkins?
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Stux posted:oh theyre a rereg? Yup
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Jun 12, 2020 17:48
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Zeta Acosta posted:please dont it's gonna be a masterpiece of narrative
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Bonaventure posted:nobody in this thread is melting down as far as I can see? Melting down...like a dog you just bathed in white phosphorous! The Last of Us Part II will ask hard questions about what you’re willing to do to survive and force you reconcile whether it was worth it as Ellie sneaks away through a sewer tunnel hearing the echoing cries of a loving dog owner, standing over the charred remains of man’s best friend. Seconds later Ellie finds a razor shrapnel bomb and 5 Upgrade Pills hidden in a dead end of the tunnel. “Nice,” she breathily quips.
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Hwurmp posted:actually TLoU2 taught me that dog killing is a deeply moving experience 
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update: I failed to kill the dogs I just pet them like some goddamn plebe my whole life is a lie
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Lid posted:Yup If you are going to bring idiocy from the wrestling forum get your facts right: i was banned because i talked trash to the mod on PM and was unpleasant. The transphobic narrative arised from the qcs-fyad debacle where i posted that the forum needed less mods no more and that SA is pretty good at self regulating the more egregious examples of hate speech. And that Nyla Rose, a trans wrestler, is not very good at her job at the current stage of her push.
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I'm pretty sure I flamethrowered a few hundred dogs in Fallout so this probably isn't that different
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RBA Starblade posted:I'm pretty sure I flamethrowered a few hundred dogs in Fallout so this probably isn't that different Did they have names though ?
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:Did they have names though ? Crispy, Crunchy, Smoky, Sweet Baby Ray...
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Jun 12, 2020 18:03
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I'll consider forgiving Druckmann's terrible sins if the entirety of TLOU part 3 is played as the puppies of all the dogs you killed
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Jun 12, 2020 18:07
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r u ready to WALK posted:I'll consider forgiving Druckmann's terrible sins if the entirety of TLOU part 3 is played as the puppies of all the dogs you killed The last of pups
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Jun 12, 2020 18:28
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r u ready to WALK posted:I'll consider forgiving Druckmann's terrible sins if the entirety of TLOU part 3 is played as the puppies of all the dogs you killed Make Shelter 3 but Snuffles, Paprika and Coco all get microwaved in slow motion in the intro.
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The Last of Us Part III: Seattle Jungle The pomeranians will reclaim this Earth
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Zeta Acosta posted:If you are going to bring idiocy from the wrestling forum get your facts right: i was banned because i talked trash to the mod on PM and was unpleasant. The transphobic narrative arised from the qcs-fyad debacle where i posted that the forum needed less mods no more and that SA is pretty good at self regulating the more egregious examples of hate speech. And that Nyla Rose, a trans wrestler, is not very good at her job at the current stage of her push. lol get out of here idiot
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Jun 12, 2020 18:32
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Tlou does have well written dialogue and acting it's just the narrative that's dumb boring tripe
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Jun 12, 2020 18:33
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I hated the ending of TLoU1 which was intended so I decided I kinda liked it. But as a game I had zero fun; it was one of the only games I've played where I gave up and just set the difficulty to Easy just so I can blow through it as fast as possible.
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Jun 12, 2020 18:42
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Dunno about the rest of the world, but zombie media doesn't work for me if it's super dramatic; I also think the father-daughter vibe in TLOU is a huge drawback to the story, but that's just me.
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Jun 12, 2020 18:44
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No idea what the current twitter narrative or whatever is for this game but reading that people are upset that to play the game you have to constantly do something the game tells you is bad as some dumbass mistake kinda ignores like the whole history of film doing the same thing for decades.
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Jun 12, 2020 18:50
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yeah and for decades ive been saying there should be multiple options for each film and how you want it to play out to choose from when you buy your ticket
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this is why analog media is inferior in all cases to dynamic digital entertainment
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Ham posted:Don't take my word for it, there's several people in that industry talking about it earlier in the thread. I'm also working in the gaming industry (not as a dev though, fuuuuuck that) and there's definitely some poo poo around what you can and can't do regarding certain publishers games. There's a reason people drop out of gaming marketing so quickly. Danger posted:No idea what the current twitter narrative or whatever is for this game but reading that people are upset that to play the game you have to constantly do something the game tells you is bad as some dumbass mistake kinda ignores like the whole history of film doing the same thing for decades. Films and games aren't the same medium and its disingenuous to pretend like they are.
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yeah well my uncle said sony paid everyone off to give the game good reviews
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dogstile posted:Films and games aren't the same medium and its disingenuous to pretend like they are. Sure, I agree, but I don't see why that's relevant, especially since this apparently occurs as a cutscene?
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Jun 12, 2020 18:59
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Danger posted:No idea what the current twitter narrative or whatever is for this game but reading that people are upset that to play the game you have to constantly do something the game tells you is bad as some dumbass mistake kinda ignores like the whole history of film doing the same thing for decades. is your stance here that people don't criticize plots in movies
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Jun 12, 2020 19:02
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lol. most of the reviews seem to be that the messaging is "it doesnt go beyond "the cycle of violence is hosed up and bad" which seems pretty on point. like a part of me is cool with ND pulling no loving punches and showing all of this poo poo as horribly as possible trying to go full blood meridian and Come and see. but the issue is those other pieces had other messages too. i keep hearing that while the characters are good and while there is other good story stuff. the overlwelming horribleness is overdone and it dampens the other stuff. though, i am sorta amused at some critics complaining that it makes them feel bad, which i think the game is supposed to make you feel bad and gross, but thats more personal taste. that being said, i am gonna wait for some critique videos by youtubers i like and wait for it to go on sale on the ps5. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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Brother Entropy posted:is your stance here that people don't criticize plots in movies No. It's that "Ellie or whoever kills a dog but the game says killing dogs is bad? Plot hole" isn't a critique. Dapper_Swindler posted:though, i am sorta amused at some critics complaining that it makes them feel bad, which i think the game is supposed to make you feel bad and gross But again, I don't know I haven't played the game. Danger fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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I mean the Schindler's List comparison is pretty apt, like when Schindler climbed on top of his train, grabbed a Nazi dog in each hand and slammed them together causing them to explode in a shower of gore
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Danger posted:No. It's that "Ellie or whoever kills a dog but the game says killing dogs is bad? Plot hole" isn't a critique. it's not a critique because the game doesn't tell you killing dogs is bad it's like schindler's list in that way, makes u think
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Danger posted:No. It's that "Ellie or whoever kills a dog but the game says killing dogs is bad? Plot hole" isn't a critique. ok so i think part of it is some reviewers are trying to ghost mode it and completly avoid combat because many games do that now but this one doesnt. i think the point is your either supposed to feel bad or mad for alot of the game outside other moments. idk. i was mixed with TLOU 1 and judging by reviews and leaks, i may weirdly enjoy this one more. but samurai game comes out next month. so i'll wait.
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What if killing the dog is Neil's way of saying he's done with this poo poo ? 
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Jun 12, 2020 19:21
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Danger posted:No. It's that "Ellie or whoever kills a dog but the game says killing dogs is bad? Plot hole" isn't a critique. No one's saying it's a plot hole, they're saying it's badly written, and in a very specific way that is exacerbated by the medium it's presented in. If somebody wrote a pop song, and 45 seconds into it, there was a ten second long fart noise that the songwriter put in because they wanted to "challenge your notion of what it is to experience music", people would be totally within their right to think "This would probably be better if it wasn't for the fart noise in there". They didn't HAVE to have you kill a dog in the game, especially BECAUSE it's a game, and you could do things like allow the player the choice to do it, or allow them to bypass the situation, or any number of things besides killing the dog. You have to kill the dog. Fine, whatever. But if all you're going to do with that situation is say "killing dogs is bad", then literally all you've done is made the player feel uncomfortable without actually saying anything. Which is, again, not the best way to go about writing something.
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[checking my watch] ah its still weird people are drawing the line at dogs and not humans
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Stux posted:[checking my watch] ah its still weird people are drawing the line at dogs and not humans i mean i love dogs but also i have killed dozens of dogs in other video games too. this one is just making a bigger deal about it.
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Stux posted:[checking my watch] ah its still weird people are drawing the line at dogs and not humans it is weird that Neil Druckmann chose to draw the line there, I agree
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Stux posted:[checking my watch] ah its still weird people are drawing the line at dogs and not humans that isn’t what most of the people talking about dog-killing in this thread are saying at all
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Stux posted:[checking my watch] ah its still weird people are drawing the line at dogs and not humans you forgot to say "o'clock" at the end god DAMMIT stux no wonder no one takes you seriously
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Crappy Jack posted:No one's saying it's a plot hole, they're saying it's badly written, and in a very specific way that is exacerbated by the medium it's presented in. What I object to is that it's inherently bad writing and on it's face making the player feel uncomfortable is saying something. But you are right, I have no idea the context of that scene. Just saying it's bad on it's face because of technical reasons is really reductive. Like, yes they could have had you choose not to kill the dog but they didn't and they made you feel uncomfortable about being forced to do so. That's not a meaningless gesture and, as you say, it is by design.
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