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There Bias Two posted:One should also factor in the possible heat within the car. It's been shown that CoV2 sterilization is possible at temperatures that the interior of a car will easily reach on a sunny day. It's not reliable, but it may have some effect. Trump tweets his supporters to cure themselves by sitting in a locked car during the summer
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boar guy posted:i mean the car is parked with the windshield pointing in to the street in front of a garage door that gets too hot to touch for 6-8 hours a day due to direct sunlight. it's gonna have some effect, even if it's not a purpose built thing I got one of these and put it on my keychain, it's loving great not only for PIN pads, lift buttons, etc. but also for opening doors and (my favourite) fridges in the supermarket: https://hygienickey.com/product/hygienic-key/ (doesn't work on touch screens tho)
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Found this video very interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFZmpL2WI7Y Glenn basically points out that health and public officials were up in arms about the virus being a high red alert crisis, but the day the protests started they seemingly ignored their previous dire statements. He brushes upon the context of their behavior and situation.
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YeahTubaMike posted:That sounds like a scene out of a zombie apocalypse movie. Why the hell are non-looters essentially trying to break into a loving garden center at all hours of the day and night??? The rest of the store was 24 hours, and these people don't read large signs, notice that normally automatic doors are not opening automatically, or that alarms are now going off. They also assume that there will be someone outside in near darkness ready and willing to sell them flowers. The greenhouse was kinda lovely, so we put cinder blocks in front of the doors to keep them closed at night, and people would pick them up and move them to get inside.
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rotinaj posted:Yes, the UV light is not working in the way you want it to be, and the virus would be getting on stuff that you are bringing into the car Covid19 is not very contagious through the surface of objects. Getting infected by touching things you bought in a shop is very unlikely. Yes, they can find the DNA of the virus there, but it is all dead. The virus really needs living tissue to survive. Covid19 much more than other corona viruses. Even within the same household as an infected patient the transmission rate is remarkably low. Like 20% low. Being careful is good, being paranoid, not so.
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boar guy posted:i mean the car is parked with the windshield pointing in to the street in front of a garage door that gets too hot to touch for 6-8 hours a day due to direct sunlight. it's gonna have some effect, even if it's not a purpose built thing You got covid on your shirt now! I just bring a Clorox wipe to open doors. Use it Immediately after keypads too
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boar guy posted:yeah my wife got ordered back to work and is in contact with a hundred people every day, some of whom have been confirmed as covid cases. i try to limit my trips out to one time a week but the mask isn't for me, i'm just trying to minimize the spread. if i had more risk factors i'd go back to not going out at all, which i did for the first 8 weeks of the lockdown. im suffering no delusions that my procedure will protect me, i just don't want to breathe on the poor drive through guy especially because everyone around here is mocking the mask signs and outright disregarding them. wearing this drat uncomfortable thing while im out is the least i can do I’m using both mask and face shield and from what I’ve read it’s a decent reduction in risk, from 20 to 70% depending on study So yeah, don’t give up on this
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:I’m using both mask and face shield and from what I’ve read it’s a decent reduction in risk, from 20 to 70% depending on study  I've been using both since the beginning. I've only ever seen one other face shield in the wild, and it wasn't with a mask.
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the plastic in windshields that prevent them from shattering on impact also filters out almost all UV rays, you're all getting the roni
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Inept posted:the plastic in windshields that prevent them from shattering on impact also filters out almost all UV rays, you're all getting the roni Richard Feynman watched an atomic bomb go off through a truck windshield, and didn't lose his sight, so yeah. Don't rely on UV through car windows. Mask chat: I wear one in the local shop. Got 50 of them from amazon. I don't trust them to protect me from other people, but if I'm asymptomatic and infectious, it protects other people from me. I just wish every other fucker would do the same. Oh well.
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YeahTubaMike posted:There are people, and there are customers. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck customers. Is it legal to have a rotation of guards -- or even vigilantes -- outside your store to physically prevent customers from entering? I'm not necessarily advocating VIOLENCE toward customers, but I think it would make sense to have B&E-ish rights to protect your store. The store is currently guarded by a Blanc Double de Coubert rugose rose. Very prickly. It's just nuts. So many places have suffered immensely due to covid, even other plant/flower shops, but ours has gotten steadily busier since March to the point where we're easily pulling double to triple our sales for this time last year (the impact covid has had on us is interesting in that we were no longer making large pieces for funerals and weddings because those were no longer happening. Other folks in the floral business were saying that Mother's Day was going to be a bust for the industry financially this year... This was no the case for us). Don't get me wrong, I'm actually enjoying that part, I just find having to direct and corral people more tiring and frustrating than anything else, especially when they're just browsing. I wanna go back to not letting anyone inside, lol. Working at a museum and saying the same things and answering the same question was less annoying than having to manage eager shoppers in pandemic times. At least most people have been understanding and I don't expect everyone to read all the signage. Lord knows I miss signs 90% of the time because deep down inside, we are all customers.  I think I'm going to mostly give up telling folks what to do. I just can't do it, lol. Oh, I think Ottawa has just about opened everything back up today. Plant MONSTER. fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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The ‘reopen protests’ have pretty much been forgotten but the idiots involved in it are still doing damage
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Lotti Fuehrscheim posted:Yes, they can find the DNA of the virus there, but it is all dead. The virus really needs living tissue to survive. Covid19 much more than other corona viruses. Do you have a source for all that virus already being dead? One of those April studies drew a distinction (and still found it infectious on plastic for up to a week). Burt Sexual posted:You got covid on your shirt now! I just bring a Clorox wipe to open doors. Use it Immediately after keypads too Those things can be pretty harsh on the skin so I hope you're wearing gloves too!
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Lotti Fuehrscheim posted:Covid19 is not very contagious through the surface of objects. Also, UV only works via line-of-sight. Even if the glass in your car absorbed zero UV, anything not directly exposed to light rays is not going to be getting sterilized by the sun. Zugzwang fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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I put my mask outside so the sun can sterilize it but make sure it's under an umbrella so the fabric won't fade.
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Lotti Fuehrscheim posted:Covid19 is not very contagious through the surface of objects. I'm sorry but that's not true; many early surface studies only checked for RNA fragments but since then there have been multiple studies that check for infectious virus samples. These studies did not check for whether those samples constituted an infectious load, but the viruses were "alive" (as alive as viruses can be, anyway). For example, this one from The Lancet checked not only for RNA fragments but also for infectious virus samples The likelihood of catching covid-19 from various infected surfaces is unknown to this day, due to numerous technical and ethical roadblocks. The likelihood of touching an infected surface in a place like the grocery store or out in public is probably low in general, but non-zero. So the overall risk is low at least due to low likelihood of encounter, but this "the viruses are always dead once they touch a surface" narrative you're presenting is false.
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so I’ve been wearing a construction type 95 mask (with a valve so I didn’t donate to a hospital since it only protects me) for jogging and the few I have (bought for fire season) are getting beat up how much less safe am I jogging my fat rear end outside with a cloth sneeze guard type mask, especially around all the mask-less a-holes
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naem posted:so I’ve been wearing a construction type 95 mask (with a valve so I didn’t donate to a hospital since it only protects me) for jogging and the few I have (bought for fire season) are getting beat up Masks protect others from you, not you from others
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punk rebel ecks posted:Found this video very interesting: It's like we're seeing reason take a backseat to emotions on a societal scale. Truly breathtaking.
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I had to go to Walmart today. They weren't letting anyone inside without a mask, which means that the ~5% of people in the store without masks had masks and took them off when they got inside. Including the two navy dudes behind me at the register who ignored the distancing rules and started unloading their cart onto the belt right behind me. 
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poverty goat posted:I had to go to Walmart today. They weren't letting anyone inside without a mask, which means that the ~5% of people in the store without masks had masks and took them off when they got inside. Including the two navy dudes behind me at the register who ignored the distancing rules and started unloading their cart onto the belt right behind me. I'm at my dealership right now getting emissions testing and it's the only place in Utah I've seen everyone actually wearing masks.
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Zugzwang posted:I'm not normally pedantic enough to point out that SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus, not a DNA virus, but there are enough technical errors in your post to suggest that you have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, I realized it should be RNA just minutes after posting this when I listened to Dorsten, when he explained a neat trick to alter the virus RNA by copying it onto DNA, modify the DNA, generating new RNA and then reform the virus by putting it into a suitable host cell that is in the right state. Fact remains that the chance to get infected through a surface is very small. Of course I wash my hands when I get home and use some cleaning fluid outside shops after I touched public doorhandles, etc., but those simple measures are enough. It is not necessary to become paranoid about it. The whole trick of this pandemic is to concentrate on the really high risk situations and prevent those, but to enable activities that imply only limited risks. Otherwise everybody is going to ignore every caution when they are constrained too much for too long. As undisciplined Americans prove on a daily basis. But you seem pedantic enough in many of your postings, so don't worry about that. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Lotti Fuehrscheim posted:Covid19 is not very contagious through the surface of objects. Uhh. This might be true on the scale of hours or days but certainly not minutes. There is a reason they do a 'deep clean' of patient rooms where they had a confirm Covid case, and its not just to make the staff feel better. You absolutely can get the virus from grabbing the same door handle as a wet hand of a sick person from 4 minutes before.
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Lotti Fuehrscheim posted:The whole trick of this pandemic is to concentrate on the really high risk situations and prevent those, but to enable activities that imply only limited risks. Otherwise everybody is going to ignore every caution when they are constrained too much for too long. As undisciplined Americans prove on a daily basis. New Zealand and Vietnam are living proof that this is the wrong take. Lotti Fuehrscheim posted:But you seem pedantic enough in many of your postings, so don't worry about that. Spreading misinformation is one thing...but do you have to be so smug about it?
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numberoneposter posted:are we dead yet we died a long time ago, this is just limbo. grab some cheese, take a load off
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numberoneposter posted:are we dead yet
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I want a day-by-day case count graph from the beginning of this for all states without New York. Any way to find that/any site offer it? edit someone got me in cspam Brock Samson fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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We're officially the dumbest country on this planet.
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zer0spunk posted:we died a long time ago, this is just limbo. grab some cheese, take a load off
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Brock Samson posted:I want a day-by-day case count graph from the beginning of this for all states without New York. Any way to find that/any site offer it? Link?
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naem posted:so I’ve been wearing a construction type 95 mask (with a valve so I didn’t donate to a hospital since it only protects me) for jogging and the few I have (bought for fire season) are getting beat up I've been reading consistently that you can run without a mask out of doors so long as you aren't in more than incidental (passing) contact. In the one country where they've traced percentages from transmission context South Korea reported .83% of transmission was reported from outdoor contact which I believe was too little to prove it's even possible at all. If you're outside with folks in a long term conversation you should social distance but according to Canadian provincial and federal health experts being outside is the best possible way not to get sick. That said of course everyone should wear a mask in public indoor spaces though. It started to normalize in my city but fell off rapidly, unfortunately. I was just out for groceries and almost everyone was maskless. Cases in my province are way, way down and it was never serious, but... fake edit: please do correct me if I'm wrong or if there are sources that mitigate what I've been hearing so far
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I thought the study on Covid life on surfaces was up to 7 days on metals, and 3 on everything else?
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Outrail posted:Link? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=505650920#post505650920 csv linked I'm gonna play with that
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numberoneposter posted:How long does purgatory typically last? until they call your number 
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