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Stux
Nov 17, 2006

saw a clip of mario odyssey where mario is in a desert. this is my guess to what it is. do you remember TNG s04e09 when wesley and picard are stranded on a desert planet and wesley finds himself responsible for keeping them both alive with little to no water left?

turns out mario is going to have to make a decision about who gets the final bottle lid of water, him or cappy. there will be a flashback of cappy and mario playing in cascade kingdom, the time when they turn into a dinosaur etc, but eventually theyre both completely dehydrated and he has to make the choice, so mario has to kill cappy to save peach. i guarantee this will be the case. and itll be done in a QTE and make you feel bad for doing it.

also keep in mind that miyamoto said that none of these reviews could mention important story elements, including that youre going to switch mid-game to play as luigi. even though everyone knows this happens, no reviews can mention it, so all of these reviews are already hamstrung.

this is a misery porn simulator, not a game.

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Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Dewgy posted:

You’re using your own bad fan fiction as indisputable proof that the game sucks.

lol just wait until it turns out I'm exactly right, because the writers rip off MASH.

But whatever I added around the situation doesn't change the fact that the actual event of you having to kill a dog that Ellie had a bond with shows up in an unavoidable QTE

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Maybe it won't be MASH they ripoff but Zombieland 1 lol.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Neil Druckmann: You don't have to kill any dogs.

Also Neil Druckmann: Haha I lied, you have to kill a dog. PSYCHE!

Also, the circumstances of how Joel ends up getting captured and killed have leaked out and... it's really not characteristic for Joel at all based on how he was portrayed in the first game.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

ErrEff posted:

Neil Druckmann: You don't have to kill any dogs.

Also Neil Druckmann: Haha I lied, you have to kill a dog. PSYCHE!

Also, the circumstances of how Joel ends up getting captured and killed have leaked out and... it's really not characteristic for Joel at all based on how he was portrayed in the first game.

does a dog betray him

is that why Ellie vows to kill all the dogs

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

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Codependent Poster posted:

lol just wait until it turns out I'm exactly right, because the writers rip off MASH.

But whatever I added around the situation doesn't change the fact that the actual event of you having to kill a dog that Ellie had a bond with shows up in an unavoidable QTE

That isn’t accurate either lol, the quote makes it pretty clear Ellie kills someone else’s dog.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Dewgy posted:

That isn’t accurate either lol, the quote makes it pretty clear Ellie kills someone else’s dog.

quote:

Some of Ellie’s enemies have trained attack dogs, and it’s hard to avoid killing them. Even if you do manage to avoid it, though, there’s eventually a cutscene with a quick-time event that forces you to kill a dog, to hear the animal’s sharp, confused yelp as you smash her skull in with a metal pipe.

That wouldn’t be enough suffering, however. Naughty Dog has to make sure you feel horrible, so you’re later treated to a flashback in which you play fetch with that same dog, scritching her behind her velvety little ears. If Naughty Dog makes you feel bad enough, maybe next time you won’t do ... the thing the game forces you to do?

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Dewgy posted:

That isn’t accurate either lol, the quote makes it pretty clear Ellie kills someone else’s dog.

oh that's fine then, nothing to see here

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

Dewgy posted:

That isn’t accurate either lol, the quote makes it pretty clear Ellie kills someone else’s dog.

Specifically, the dog she kills is...hold it. Why is the game’s title screen asking me for names of my pets and photos of them from several angles? She...oh. Oh no.

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

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Not seeing where it says that it’s Ellie’s dog but hey thanks for finding the quote for me!

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

listen pal it was one thing when the first game made me mow down innocent people but a dog is too far - normal well adjusted person

qnqnx
Nov 14, 2010

Gabby_Jay posted:

Imagine being someone who spends $60 or more on a game that isn't fun. How embarrassing.

lurker2006
Jul 30, 2019

Hwurmp posted:

does a dog betray him

is that why Ellie vows to kill all the dogs

Druckmann: You could say that she isn't a big fan of naughty dogs (laughs).

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

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Gay Rat Wedding posted:

Specifically, the dog she kills is...hold it. Why is the game’s title screen asking me for names of my pets and photos of them from several angles? She...oh. Oh no.

This would be fuckin rad, not gonna lie. The first game’s multiplayer had an option to replace enemy names with your Facebook friends and that’s hilarious.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Dewgy posted:

Not seeing where it says that it’s Ellie’s dog but hey thanks for finding the quote for me!

lol oh so you're going with "it's okay" because it's not specifically her dog, just a dog she had a bond with and was friendly with and played fetch with and pet

That small subtle difference of her not being the owner keeps it from being emotionally manipulative bullshit. Gotcha

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

https://twitter.com/leighalexander/status/1271109095102263296

https://twitter.com/leighalexander/status/1271101665094127626


i dont like alexander because she is also a pretentious shithead writer type just as much as the dumbasses she mocks but lol. also she can dish it but cant take it, what a shock.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jun 12, 2020

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

if you think about it, any attempt to elicit any emotion through artificially created situations is emotional manipulation

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

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Codependent Poster posted:

lol oh so you're going with "it's okay" because it's not specifically her dog, just a dog she had a bond with and was friendly with and played fetch with and pet

That small subtle difference of her not being the owner keeps it from being emotionally manipulative bullshit. Gotcha

Look what you’ve done to those goalposts you horrible monster.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://twitter.com/leighalexander/status/1271109095102263296

https://twitter.com/leighalexander/status/1271101665094127626


i dont like alexander because she is also a pretentious shithead just as much as the people she mocks but lol. also she can dish it but cant take it, what a shock.

These tweets annoy me because TLOU2 is easily attackable from just like, a purely literary and thematic standpoint instead of resorting to some dumbass "toys for children" argument if you're in any way capable of critical analysis.

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

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exquisite tea posted:

These tweets annoy me because TLOU2 is easily attackable from just like, a purely literary and thematic standpoint instead of resorting to some dumbass "toys for children" argument if you're in any way capable of critical analysis.

People jumping all over themselves to poo poo on an unreleased product are...bad at it??? Holy poo poo I’m gonna have to update my data.

Bonaventure
Jun 23, 2005

by sebmojo
I’m good at it :cool:

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


It would probably be best for your mental health and mine if people stopped posting poo poo from total loving nobodies on twitter all the time.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

exquisite tea posted:

These tweets annoy me because TLOU2 is easily attackable from just like, a purely literary and thematic standpoint instead of resorting to some dumbass "toys for children" argument if you're in any way capable of critical analysis.

she used to be a big time journo and i believe she wrote some dumb think pieces and loving booked it after the failed abortion that was gamergate came upon the scene but not before throwing some gas on the fire apperently. i think there was other poo poo and she got sacked or some poo poo.

she isnt wrong about alot of game writers but its a case of kettle calling pot black.

lurker2006
Jul 30, 2019

Stux posted:

listen pal it was one thing when the first game made me mow down innocent people but a dog is too far - normal well adjusted person

You mean person (singular) that was about to perform a fatal medical experiment on a child.

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

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lurker2006 posted:

You mean person (singular) that was about to perform a fatal medical experiment on a child.

And his two buddies, yes. :v:

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

lurker2006 posted:

You mean person (singular) that was about to perform a fatal medical experiment on a child.

detail how every person you kill in the first game is justified, i expect a fully notarized list

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://twitter.com/leighalexander/status/1271109095102263296

https://twitter.com/leighalexander/status/1271101665094127626


i dont like alexander because she is also a pretentious shithead writer type just as much as the dumbasses she mocks but lol. also she can dish it but cant take it, what a shock.

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Red Alert 2 Yuris Revenge
May 8, 2006

"My brain is amazing! It's full of wrinkles, and... Uh... Wait... What am I trying to say?"

Stux posted:

detail how every person you kill in the first game is justified, i expect a fully notarized list

man is evil, ergo

RevolverDivider
Nov 12, 2016

Stux posted:

listen pal it was one thing when the first game made me mow down innocent people but a dog is too far - normal well adjusted person

edit: not worth it it's loving stux.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

RevolverDivider posted:

you are a sociopath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrK-FwELA7I

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

RevolverDivider posted:

you are a sociopath

why

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

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It’s the anime av Stux, sorry to have to break it to you, but it’s true.

Sassy Sasquatch
Feb 28, 2013

Guys, let's refocus the topic a bit. I know we all feel very strongly about the dogs and stuff but -hear me out- what about the loving horses ?? Who missed those segments from the first game ? The horses control like rear end and add absolutely nothing of value to the game. I propose we petition ND so Ellie murders one of the horses instead of the dog. Seems only fair.

Bonaventure
Jun 23, 2005

by sebmojo
Ellie should murder a giraffe

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

me: its weird people dont care about or empathise with human enemies in games as much as animals, and the same thing happens a lot irl and its creepy

galaxy brain poster: youre a sociopath

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Does some guy actually call ellie a dyke after the woke gay kiss

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Bonaventure posted:

Ellie should murder a giraffe

would it be a boss battle. and it just during its cool off stages, they give birth to baby giraffes that you also have to kill.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Endorph posted:

Does some guy actually call ellie a dyke after the woke gay kiss

apparently yes.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


Someone in a thread said that the horses in TLOU have far too long necks and legs, while Tess is like that politician from The Thick of It in that her head is too small. The characters also looked really gaunt in the pre-rendered cinematics.

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Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Stux posted:

me: its weird people dont care about or empathise with human enemies in games as much as animals, and the same thing happens a lot irl and its creepy

why is it only weird now, and why is the highly-promoted visceral and disturbing human murder on top of dog murder a point in TLoU2's favor

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