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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

qnqnx posted:

They give me "that dog looked at me bad so I had to shoot in fear of my life" kind of vibes.
Please dont be a weirdo when you quote my posts

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ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

What if everyone was a dog?



Would you kill them then?

Danger
Jan 4, 2004

all desire - the thirst for oil, war, religious salvation - needs to be understood according to what he calls 'the demonogrammatical decoding of the Earth's body'

Codependent Poster posted:

lol oh so you're going with "it's okay" because it's not specifically her dog, just a dog she had a bond with and was friendly with and played fetch with and pet

That small subtle difference of her not being the owner keeps it from being emotionally manipulative bullshit. Gotcha

This isn’t accurate either. Probably a huge spoiler from the noise I’ve gleaned:

You play the second half of the game as the woman who kills Joel and it is her dog. Ellie is hunting you as the antagonist.

grieving for Gandalf
Apr 22, 2008

Endorph posted:

Personally my frustration with this game is mostly how its weaponizes my sexuality as a cog in its marketing in a way the game itself is confirmed explicitly to not follow up on

And also the dog thing sounds really dumb

I dont think i need to play the game to have these opinions

did you see the spoilers about the end of the game

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

grieving for Gandalf posted:

did you see the spoilers about the end of the game
Those also seem very stupid if its the spoilers im thinking of

NecroMonster
Jan 4, 2009

so this game is literally just misery porn isn't it?

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

Endorph posted:

Personally my frustration with this game is mostly how its weaponizes my sexuality as a cog in its marketing in a way the game itself is confirmed explicitly to not follow up on

And also the dog thing sounds really dumb

I dont think i need to play the game to have these opinions

i dont think anyones at fault for not wanting to play things because they find the content distasteful on a surface level

i think broader or more detailed criticisms of any media or whatever else do require probably having played/watched/listened/read it though to some extent

grieving for Gandalf
Apr 22, 2008

Endorph posted:

Those also seem very stupid if its the spoilers im thinking of

well, maybe it at least passes the Bechdel test

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Is misery porn like when the girl and guy are doing it and the girl is crying because she just finished reading a really sad book?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

grieving for Gandalf posted:

well, maybe it at least passes the Bechdel test
The bechdel test is another example of lesbians being weaponized in a stupid way by mediocre white dudes

It wasnt meant to be an actual test you apply to literally all media it was just a joke a lesbian made about how hard it was to find content that appealed to her. Unfortunately it got turned into something dudes use to say their het fantasy novels where the protag fucks seven elf wenches are feminist

grieving for Gandalf
Apr 22, 2008

exquisite tea posted:

Is misery porn like when the girl and guy are doing it and the girl is crying because she just finished reading a really sad book?

mmmmmmmnnn probably not

Endorph posted:

The bechdel test is another example of lesbians being weaponized in a stupid way by mediocre white dudes

It wasnt meant to be an actual test you apply to literally all media it was just a joke a lesbian made about how hard it was to find content that appealed to her. Unfortunately it got turned into something dudes use to say their het fantasy novels where the protag fucks seven elf wenches are feminist

I was joking but gently caress, I had actually hoped it was a real thing used as a measuring stick of how something is meeting a real issue

grieving for Gandalf fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jun 13, 2020

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Which hey maybe the elf wench loving is feminist, just that the part where it passes the bechdel test isnt the part where it becomes feminist and it still probably wouldnt appeal to a lesbian

Edit: unless the one doing the elf wench loving is also an elf wench i guess

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

grieving for Gandalf posted:

well, maybe it at least passes the Bechdel test

good to have it confirmed that tlou2 meets the high standard of the music video of baby got back

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Danger posted:

This isn’t accurate either. Probably a huge spoiler from the noise I’ve gleaned:

You play the second half of the game as the woman who kills Joel and it is her dog. Ellie is hunting you as the antagonist.

Ah, that makes sense too.

Which is still manipulative since it doesn't give you a choice and railroads you into it. Better hit you over the head with "violence is bad!"

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

a game not giving you a choice isnt manipulative its a narrative device lmao

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Stux posted:

a game not giving you a choice isnt manipulative its a narrative device lmao

A narrative device can also be manipulative.

Also bad, poorly thought out, not effective.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

you kill dogs and humans in video games because neither of them are real.

NecroMonster posted:

so this game is literally just misery porn isn't it?

In the same way The Walking Dead is, yeah. There's no hope here, it's just endless misery and you're invited to leer at it and wallow in it while the writers jerk off delve deep into the world

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Stux posted:

a game not giving you a choice isnt manipulative its a narrative device lmao

It's manipulative because it forces you to do something and then lectures you about how doing that thing was bad. It is a specifically video game thing, where the player's agency can and will gently caress with situations where characters are put into situations like this and make bad choices.

psychoJ
Feb 24, 2011

Smart and cool, handsome, wealthy and so sexy
just gonna say that i hope that this game isn't bad, mainly because i preordered it on psn when i was very very drunk :shepspends:

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

Grapplejack posted:

It's manipulative because it forces you to do something and then lectures you about how doing that thing was bad. It is a specifically video game thing, where the player's agency can and will gently caress with situations where characters are put into situations like this and make bad choices.

that isnt wrong to do and it isnt manipulation, its a narrative device available to video games.

MJBuddy
Sep 22, 2008

Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.

Stux posted:

what? i was just making the point its really weird when its the dog enemy that pushes it over the line for people and i am judging them in my head for it

The hell you are. You won't shut the gently caress up about it.

Danger
Jan 4, 2004

all desire - the thirst for oil, war, religious salvation - needs to be understood according to what he calls 'the demonogrammatical decoding of the Earth's body'

Stormgale posted:

A narrative device can also be manipulative.

Also bad, poorly thought out, not effective.

All narrative devices are “manipulative” but that’s an incredibly cynical way of framing the nature of art I guess. I mean, sure the game could be poo poo yea but like no one has played it lol.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

https://twitter.com/Slio9/status/1271530359704834048

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/last-us-part-ii-game-review-1298111

The final paragraph posted:

Critics have been asking when video games would “grow up” for years. The real question is this: when will films catch up with video games like The Last of Us Part II?

Cnidaria
Apr 10, 2009

It's all politics, Mike.

Instead of the the credits being all of the people that worked 60+ hours a week to make this game it's going to be the names of every person and dog you killed in the game.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007


that isn't real. shut the gently caress up lmao

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



I skimmed over the last few pages but wanted to add that White Dog is an amazing movie and worth watching

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



The premise of the film is that an oblivious white lady adopts a dog which has been trained to attack black people, so she has to seek out an animal trainer to see if they can make the dog not racist

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

psychoJ posted:

just gonna say that i hope that this game isn't bad, mainly because i preordered it on psn when i was very very drunk :shepspends:

Good news, it’s literally one of the best reviewed games of all time.

NecroMonster
Jan 4, 2009

Starks posted:

Good news, it’s literally one of the best reviewed games of all time.

lmao

Bonaventure
Jun 23, 2005

by sebmojo
it’s Oscar-worthy: the “Life is Beautiful” of video games





except, the opposite sentiment

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019

:capitalism::dehumanize:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTIsnYPG4lU

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019

:capitalism::dehumanize:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk9r4rKkVaw

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019

:capitalism::dehumanize:


https://twitter.com/T_R_0_V_3_R/status/1271574165754167301

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs1KGefa5LI

Cnidaria
Apr 10, 2009

It's all politics, Mike.


Please don't post spoilers for The Last of Us 3.

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019

:capitalism::dehumanize:


Cnidaria posted:

Please don't post spoilers for The Last of Us 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFUhocl1DL0

Zeta Acosta
Dec 16, 2019

#essereFerrari

Grapplejack posted:

Truly we were the last of woof

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

Dogs Gone.

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Peacoffee
Feb 11, 2013


I gotta say, the chud/nazi super gross transphobic angle on the game has created a fascinating scenario where there are now people preparing to hold axes over virtual dogs to stick it to the horrible nazis.

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