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Collateral Damage posted:Is "whitesplaining" a term? I feel like it should be. It is, but in his case he’s just stupid stupid. Like, these are wholesale imported right wing talking points from ten years ago. E: this dude considers himself to be a Libertarian Marxist???? teen witch fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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teen witch posted:It is, but in his case he’s just stupid stupid. Like, these are wholesale imported right wing talking points from ten years ago. Not saying that this dude is using the term in this meaning, but "Libertarian Socialism/Communism" used to be an alternative name of sorts for Anarchism, often used by Anarchists themselves. Most notably alot of the Spanish Anarchists during the Spanish Civil War days and before used to refer to themselves as "Libertarian", though they also most likely did not see themselves as Marxists as they where very much the adherents of a different Socialist tradition.
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Randarkman posted:Not saying that this dude is using the term in this meaning, but "Libertarian Socialism/Communism" used to be an alternative name of sorts for Anarchism, often used by Anarchists themselves. Most notably alot of the Spanish Anarchists during the Spanish Civil War days and before used to refer to themselves as "Libertarian", though they also most likely did not see themselves as Marxists as they where very much the adherents of a different Socialist tradition. I know that as I am one. My statement is more of incredulity teen witch fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Jun 13, 2020 13:55
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Dude has shifted over the years and he likes his pretentious labels. He was more libertarian in the past but nowadays is more some weird flavour of contrarian alt-right. He has been reflexively contrarian most of his public life, alt-right stuff is more recent. Extremely arrogant and the kind of person who thinks very highly of his own intellect relative to others, annoyingly pretentious. Got famous as a musician and music producer and since been on TV, either for his dumb political takes or in music talent shows. Falukorv fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Jun 13, 2020 14:05
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People have been pretty vocal about what he said but he just handwaves it away. This is usually how Bard handles criticism so that's all pretty unsurprising. People are also calling for TV4 to cut their ties with him but their spokesman says he can't see how it's their business what Bard says. Pretty clear that enabling assholes and cowards are all they are.
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Jun 13, 2020 16:10
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Inepta Lacerta posted:People have been pretty vocal about what he said but he just handwaves it away. This is usually how Bard handles criticism so that's all pretty unsurprising. People are also calling for TV4 to cut their ties with him but their spokesman says he can't see how it's their business what Bard says. Pretty clear that enabling assholes and cowards are all they are. Yeah TV4 seems to be completely “well it’s free speech on his Twitter” but Paolo...
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teen witch posted:Yeah TV4 seems to be completely “well it’s free speech on his Twitter” but Paolo... Yeah, same spokesman said you can't compare Paolo and Bard but be that as it may Bard has still gone too far (again). It actually triggers me to see TV4s gutlessness on display, though it doesn't surprise me like I wish it would. And Bard... Well, lets just say I feel justified about my long-running loathing of the man. Pretentious black hole of opinions and attention given far too much space over the years. Brr.
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Inepta Lacerta posted:Yeah, same spokesman said you can't compare Paolo and Bard but be that as it may Bard has still gone too far (again). It actually triggers me to see TV4s gutlessness on display, though it doesn't surprise me like I wish it would. Well, I guess there is a difference if you are a seller or buyer. Also Bard kinda short circuits the debate given he is gay instead of being a macho man like Paolo.
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Cardiac posted:Well, I guess there is a difference if you are a seller or buyer. Well, I suppose. I just don't wanna give the man any benefit of the doubt if I can help it. And as a gay man myself it bugs me when awful people use that as a shield. He'd no doubt be a log cabin republican were this the USA. Eh, I need to stop paying attention to Bard again. Been doing it for years, don't see why I shouldn't continue with it. He simply rubs me the wrong way.
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teen witch posted:It is, but in his case he’s just stupid stupid. Like, these are wholesale imported right wing talking points from ten years ago.
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Mwahahaha, they were forced to fire him. Apparently one of the other hosts of the talent show he is in went "It's him or me.". loving good on her. His response is of course that he's relieved he's free from having to watch his back and that this was nothing compared to what he'll do come autumn, but Bard's gonna Bard, I suppose. Rot in (relative) obscurity, fucker.
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Inepta Lacerta posted:Mwahahaha, they were forced to fire him. Apparently one of the other hosts of the talent show he is in went "It's him or me.". loving good on her. He just seems so utterly spiteful and cruel, regardless of racism. Kudos to the other host who had a spine when an TV network refused to have one. E: this reminded me, as perhaps it’s key to learn - what would be a good resource or gently caress, an idea of a resource, for learning about civics and how the government works, a 101 of sorts? teen witch fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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Bard has no ability for empathy, he’s a cold blooded lizard. It’s been his thing forever, but he usually avoids being completely tonedeaf. I will always cherish how he in a debate panel during Pride with EBT responded to her argument: “we don’t hate homosexuality, but why do they have to be so flamboyant hand have parades and stuff??” with standing up and started screaming: gently caress YOU! gently caress YOU! Which ironically is my response to his recent embarrassment of a tweet
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Filming of a publicly funded racist show was derailed by *checks notes* a reaction to racism. https://ekstrabladet.dk/flash/filmogtv/dr-optagelser-gik-helt-galt/8160541 quote:''Bruuns Stue' er en skarp, aktuel og humoristisk quiz på DR2 med satiriker Rasmus Bruun som vært. Han udfordrer både seere og gæster på deres grænser - og på deres krænkelsesparathed. Vi lever i en ’krænkelseskultur’, hvor det af og til kan være svært at navigere med krænkelseskulturen og politisk korrekthed uden at træde nogen over tæerne.'
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It's baffling to me that comedians are supposed to be professional irony-spotters, yet whenever one bitches about "offense culture" and safe spaces they are always simultaneously upset that they aren't allowed a platform to be casually racist without consequences.
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SplitSoul posted:Filming of a publicly funded racist show was derailed by *checks notes* a reaction to racism.
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teen witch posted:
I assume your talking about Sweden. If you can read swedish this page is a basic crash course to the Swedish political system. It's aimed at high schoolers so it might be a bit too basic but it's pretty good https://www.so-rummet.se/kategorier/samhallskunskap/demokrati/sveriges-politiska-system .
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Fader Movitz posted:I assume your talking about Sweden. If you can read swedish this page is a basic crash course to the Swedish political system. It's aimed at high schoolers so it might be a bit too basic but it's pretty good That’ll work perfectly! Thanks!
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https://www.expressen.se/noje/alexander-bard-sparkas-av-tv4/quote:– TV4 har varit i kontakt med Alexander Bard under kvällen och har gemensamt kommit fram till att det inte passar att han fortsätter som jurymedlem i Talang, kommenter Lotta Edvardsson, exekutiv producent för programmet. quote:Bard har en annan version.
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Bard is just a combination of libertarian ideology, a complete lack of empathic skills and edgelord contrarianism. His main problem (among many) is his libertarian background which means that he refuses to accept that there are anything resembling society or systems - everything is down to the individual. Which means that racism isn't real, gender inequality isn't real, homophobia isn't real and so on. It's just people whining. Of course this doesn't fly once you discuss actual issues. Then he simply uses his "controversial intellectual" image which is hilariously shallow, and when people object to his problematic stances he always go for his edgelord roots and just call them names until he's temporarily deplatformed. We've seen this before. Thankfully it's being shut down pretty effectively this time. For those who missed it, he even tried the incredibly dumb "my cohost is a WHORE for disagreeing with me. That WHORE! Oh, and it's ok for me to say 'whore' because I worked as a sex worker when I was younger. YOU DUMB WHORE!". I mean, he makes himself dumber than he is really. Now, Bard had some interesting thought before. Libertarians sometimes pick up a few good ideas, such as questioning Sweden's badly managed anti-drug use policies and laws. He was pretty early on talking about a digitalized society. However, that was like 15 years ago. The world has moved on. With little new thoughts to lean on, he's just playing the contrarian, and it's quite obvious that he's a very loud, but hilariously empty, vessel. By now he has joined and been kicked out of something like half the parties on the right side of the spectrum, including the more obscure ones like Medborgerlig samling. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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lilljonas posted:Now, Bard had some interesting thought before. Libertarians sometimes pick up a few good ideas, such as questioning Sweden's badly managed anti-drug use policies and laws. He was pretty early on talking about a digitalized society.
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Swedens anti-drug use law is insane and should be called out on an international level. A man was held down by cops as they forced a tube down his penis so they could take a urine sample by force to determine if he had used drugs that would amount to a 70 euro fine.
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sweden is an ancient country
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Katt posted:Swedens anti-drug use law is insane and should be called out on an international level. Sadly in the case of drug legislation I think we are temporarily stuck since older generations in particular love them some zero tolerance of non-prescribed narcotics. Attitudes are changing, but it'd take one hell of an informational and educational campaign to push something like that through in an expedient manner, and I just find it hard to trust our media to really support it beyond the occasional panel debate show. Of course that doesn't mean I think we shouldn't be pushing for it because as it stands - and as you said, that whole section of swedish law is a travesty and needs working over.
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Katt posted:Swedens anti-drug use law is insane and should be called out on an international level. Probably an innocent accident. Like the baton rape.
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lilljonas posted:However, that was like 15 years ago. The world has moved on. With little new thoughts to lean on, he's just playing the contrarian, and it's quite obvious that he's a very loud, but hilariously empty, vessel. By now he has joined and been kicked out of something like half the parties on the right side of the spectrum, including the more obscure ones like Medborgerlig samling. De libertarianska hjärnmaskarna har vid detta laget gröpt ut hela hans skalle.
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His Divine Shadow posted:De libertarianska hjärnmaskarna har vid detta laget gröpt ut hela hans skalle. Oh it goes waaay back, this part of his wikipedia page is funny as gently caress: "Bard converted to the Iranian original branch of Zoroastrianism in 1992[13] after years of intense religious studies. He explains his decision to convert in his book Syntheism - Creating God in The Internet Age with Jan Söderqvist by stating that without a solid foundation in philosophical and theological history, the idea of Syntheism as a set of new religious ideas for a globalized and digitalized world in the 21st century, would not carry its necessary weight. The conversion could also be understood when Bard and Söderqvist place Zoroastrianism next to Taoism and Buddhism in their work in what they refer to as The Silk Route Triad, as the historical peak of religious thought and practice." Bard in 1992: "Hmm.. I have these avantgarde ideas on a new, digitalized world, but people don't take me seriously. I know! I'll add religion to give it more gravitas! I'll just consult my handy tier list of eastern religions, and pick from my S tier list. Beep boop I'm super smart!"
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The swedish goverment seems pretty salty about Swedish tourists not being allowed to visit other countries. I do feel a little bit of schadenfreude. Is that the feeling among the people as well, that you are being sligthed? Money always decides in the end you`ll be allowed in most places in Europe by the end of the summer. A move i support for Norway`s sake. I feel really bad all the hospitality workers who are about to lose their jobs. Most them from EU countries where the job market is even more poo poo.
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I was planning on going to my cousin’s wedding in Ireland in early July, but I knew that even if the borders miraculously opened up and all was hunky dory, it would still be cancelled. More ticked off on having to pay the ticket back. I do find the Aftonbladet articles on where you can go without quarantine kind of distasteful?
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The Danish government, in their infinite wisdom, has decided to confiscate two out of five weeks of vacation from everyone - and now some of these money are getting paid out as a boost to summer vacation stuff (which means they'll be paid out in October, so just trust the government that they won't be confiscated when the next COVID-19 exponential growth period hits!). Generally speaking, people get a lump sum based on how much money they earn, which seems fair. The exception is that all the people on 'overførselsindkomst' (ie. money from the government, either in the form of a pension, unemployment benefit, or the like) get just a thousand Danish kroner, which aren't useful for any kind of vacation and can't be used for the only other option the government seems to think the money should be put to, which is to invest in ecologically sound luxury furniture.
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Baudolino posted:Is that the feeling among the people as well, that you are being sligthed? I've never heard/seen this opinion anywhere but foreign newspaper headlines fwiw. No one I've talked to feels slighted in any way. People just shrug and go "oh well, would've been nice to go abroad but that' s life"
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Baudolino posted:Is that the feeling among the people as well, that you are being sligthed? People I have talked to don't really seem to mind, it didn't really come as a shock and people have been told to expect a "hemester"/vacation at home for several monts now. I haven't actually heard anyone arguing against it, just that resigned "ah well too bad" which was posted above.
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Baudolino posted:The swedish goverment seems pretty salty about Swedish tourists not being allowed to visit other countries. I do feel a little bit of schadenfreude. The small amount of salt I've met is people in Skåne being barred from Denmark, which has more cases than Skåne, while tons of Danes have kept going over to Skåne the entire Spring to do shopping, get haircuts, eat at restaurants etc. while Copenhagen was shut down. But that's less about people wanting to be allowed into Denmark and more about the hypocricy of Danes coming here. Overall people seem to be pretty set on doing more local vacationing this year.
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I think all of this is just media manipulation by lobbies of the tourism industry  We've gotten articles (and it's been going on for longer than just this week) about how unfair some Swedes feel restrictions or rumors of restrictions are and we've gotten a slew of articles about where we Norwegians can go, with pictures of "look at all these people queueing to go to Denmark for vacation!".
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this is because the oslo media class all have cabins in sweden as well as a truly servile attitude to that country
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As someone living in an EU country that has imposed quarantine on everyone travelling from Sweden, it does represent an inconvenience if I want to visit the glorious motherland this summer, but it's not like I have a job anyway so no one gives a poo poo if I'm trapped at home for two weeks after coming back. I do not, however, feel slighted. The only thing I find a bit annoying is the smugness and hypocrisy of people here when they speak to me about Sweden's policy (which they inevitably do, because who can contain themselves when they meet a representative of Corona Hell). They'll go "well, look at how BAD Sweden is, maybe you should be GOOD like us instead, we are doing Corona right and are currently WINNING"  and they'll be the same people who decide they don't need to social distance anymore and can start throwing parties in their flats. On some level I guess it makes people feel better, safer and more in control if they believe they're on "winning" side (a country that had lockdowns). But when I step outside my flat I see absolutely nothing that's "better" about what people are actually doing here. Now that it's warm there are big gatherings in the parks every night, nobody maintains a 1,5 m distance anywhere and the local restaurants are full again.
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I took the ferry from Lübeck to Trelleborg one time and recently I've been getting a whole slew of emails from the ferry company saying stuff like "Endlich - die Schwedenfähren sind wieder da! Urlaub in Schweden lohnt sich immer!" So at least Germany still has your back, Sweden.
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D. Ebdrup posted:The Danish government, in their infinite wisdom, has decided to confiscate two out of five weeks of vacation from everyone - and now some of these money are getting paid out as a boost to summer vacation stuff (which means they'll be paid out in October, so just trust the government that they won't be confiscated when the next COVID-19 exponential growth period hits!). Also most welfare recipients are not allowed vacation at all. It's almost as insulting as Bispebjerg nurses being served cake twice a week for risking their lives during a pandemic. But hey, at least they found a few hundred billion to help suffering businesses. "Socially balanced" they're calling it.
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Who's gonna care about not being "allowed" to visit Norway? People only go there for work. Pretty sure there are a lot more Norwegians upset that they still can't go buy cheap candy at the border shops, or visit their cabins or go boating. Denmark is similarly more of a transit to real countries than a destination, for when you don't wanna have to sleep on the ferry. What the government is salty about is that all states are cooking up their own arbitrary travel restrictions rather than coordinating through the EU.
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