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Clash of civilisation was an answer to the also really stupid End of history theory by Fukuyama. The 90s are interesting in that anyone could come up with some strange political fanfiction and people would believe it cause communism is dead. edit. Map tax: 
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Count Roland posted:I've not heard of this, have a link? Not in English, no. But the former president of Croatia Franjo Tuđman was obsessed with Huntington and used to quote him extensively to justify the dreadful Croat atrocities against the Bosniaks in Bosnia, which included torture of POWs, massacres of entire villages and concentration camps. If you look up “Tudjman Huntington” you will get some links to books and papers on Google Books, but I can’t access them right now and keep getting server error messages so I don’t know whether they’re any good.
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Fader Movitz posted:Clash of civilisation was an answer to the also really stupid End of history theory by Fukuyama. The 90s are interesting in that anyone could come up with some strange political fanfiction and people would believe it cause communism is dead. Weird that I could make out the gulf of bothnia at a glance but couldn't figure the rest out
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Jun 11, 2020 20:46
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:The world, if Europa Universalis is to be believed. Religion: the cause of all history. im the Latin American religion called *checks notes* catholicism
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Jun 12, 2020 04:18
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I'm Japanese.
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Jun 12, 2020 04:25
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Latin America is a distinct Iberian-derived civilization, NOT western. which does not include Spain or Portugal for obvious reasons ...
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Jun 12, 2020 06:22
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Yet it's the only group located entirely within the Western Hemisphere
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Jun 12, 2020 06:57
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I'm Latin American Haiti.
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Jun 12, 2020 07:26
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Should have labelled Canada and the US "Germanic America"
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Jun 12, 2020 07:27
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Kassad posted:Should have labelled Canada and the US "Germanic America" 
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Jun 12, 2020 16:53
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France was founded by Germans!
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Jun 12, 2020 18:00
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A Buttery Pastry posted:France was founded by Germans! The Franks are the RC Cola of Germans 
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Jun 12, 2020 18:10
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HardDiskD posted:im the Latin American religion called *checks notes* catholicism im not an expert, but my understanding was that in many areas of latin america, indigenous beliefs intermixed with the catholic church in a lot of ways so i dont really get whats wrong with acknowledging that? i dunno, that was just my understanding at the least.
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Jun 12, 2020 18:28
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I can't really say anything about the entirety of South America, but in Brazil, Indigenous beliefs didn't intermix at all (okay, maybe a little bit with the lower-class immigrants), and were mostly stamped out by Jesuits and other colonizers that used native populations as slave labor by Catholics. When African slavery picked up, some practices and rituals survived the trip over the ocean and intermixed among themselves (mostly on the northeastern state of Bahia), forming the Candomblé religion. Neither of them mixed *that much* with Catholicism, which was until pretty recently the majority religion. ETA: I'm not a specialist in this and much less a scholar, and it has been a quite a while since my last Local History class, but I'm pretty certain of the general way things went. Space Kablooey fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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Jun 12, 2020 19:59
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Sampatrick posted:im not an expert, but my understanding was that in many areas of latin america, indigenous beliefs intermixed with the catholic church in a lot of ways so i dont really get whats wrong with acknowledging that? i dunno, that was just my understanding at the least. I think most of the contention around Huntington's assertions around Latin America is that despite being a region largely speaking Romance languages, practicing slightly off-brand Catholicism, and with extensive historical ties to European countries, he claims it's a separate civilization from "the West." And that's ignorant at best and straight-up anti-Hispanic racism at worst. I read the book as a young twenty-something and while it's more nuanced than the criticism would hold (i.e. he does at least recognize that there's outlier countries that don't fit into his scheme), it's still at its heart incredibly reductive and not all that useful for understanding the world. Societies have a much broader spectrum of philosophical belief within them than the monoliths he divides the world into. And asserting that Islam and the West are FATED to CLASH FOREVER because THEY'RE JUST TOO DIFFERENT is the kind of bullshit that was used to justify the post-911 wars.
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Jun 12, 2020 20:07
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Huntington was correct at the very basic level of predicting that 21st-century conflicts would revolve more around culture/religion/identity than ideology. That puts him firmly above Fukuyama. His mistake was writing an entire book (which is less awful than goons are making it out to be) around that premise, and stuffing it full of examples, which are necessarily arbitrary and easy to pick apart simply because history/sociology/anthropology aren't exact sciences. Many of the examples are also just dumb, as pointed out.
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Jun 12, 2020 20:12
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Sampatrick posted:im not an expert, but my understanding was that in many areas of latin america, indigenous beliefs intermixed with the catholic church in a lot of ways so i dont really get whats wrong with acknowledging that? i dunno, that was just my understanding at the least. The map was actually showing "civilizations", not religions. Latin america is distinct for *reasons* which are in the book. The book itself describes the map as only one possible version, that what exactly counts as a civ and what doesn't is up for debate/interpretation.
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Jun 12, 2020 20:13
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Count Roland posted:The map was actually showing "civilizations", not religions. Latin america is distinct for *reasons* which are in the book. The book itself describes the map as only one possible version, that what exactly counts as a civ and what doesn't is up for debate/interpretation. Sid Meier is the true determinant.
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It feels like if you make Latin America a thing then anglo-America also needs to be a thing, at which point you've got to wonder why all of Europe is one thing. Basically the west is just Australia and New Zealand.
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Jun 12, 2020 22:41
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The pope is from Argentina, so clearly the church seems to approve of Latin American Catholicism. Anyway, maps for the map thread. 
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Jun 12, 2020 23:00
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Yikes.
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Jun 12, 2020 23:05
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Anchorage: Like there's any other choice
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Jun 12, 2020 23:07
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I worked in Idaho for a brief minute. Rexburg is a Mormon university, young Mormons come from all over the world to go there. If you are not Mormon, you will want to avoid that place. I think they make you sign a contract to not have sex.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The pope is from Argentina, so clearly the church seems to approve of Latin American Catholicism. I was not aware the Bureau of Labor Statistics took data on which college town parties hardest
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:I was not aware the Bureau of Labor Statistics took data on which college town parties hardest If they did then this map wouldn't have College "Don't Walk on the Grass" Station
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Jun 13, 2020 00:34
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SlothfulCobra posted:The pope is from Argentina, so clearly the church seems to approve of Latin American Catholicism. That may be the first time that anyone has ever used "best" to seriously describe Lawton Oklahoma.
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excellent bird guy posted:I worked in Idaho for a brief minute. Rexburg is a Mormon university, young Mormons come from all over the world to go there. If you are not Mormon, you will want to avoid that place. I think they make you sign a contract to not have sex. Like, ever?
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Leviathan Song posted:That may be the first time that anyone has ever used "best" to seriously describe Lawton Oklahoma. Best US Army bootcamp for artillery MoSs
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Like, ever? Of course not. How else you gonna fill your quiver
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:I was not aware the Bureau of Labor Statistics took data on which college town parties hardest I doubt its that metric because in Washington, it was CWU Ellensburg that got four loko's banned.
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New Haven is the right choice for Connecticut at least. Not sure how Ithaca beats NYC.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The pope is from Argentina, so clearly the church seems to approve of Latin American Catholicism. This map had to be produced by the authors of "Staying Christian in College" or something.
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Jun 13, 2020 06:48
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I don't know, signing a contract not to have sex sounds like the best possible way you can turn down unwanted sex. If you want the sex you can simply break the contract.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The pope is from Argentina, so clearly the church seems to approve of Latin American Catholicism. hello and gently caress the California Polytechnical State University, San Luis Obispo Mustangs signed, Gaucho Gang
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SlothfulCobra posted:timg]https://i.imgur.com/WSBGpab.png[/timg] Ann Arbor is pretty ok if you like to hang out with wealthy and stupid people from New York and New Jersey whose families weren't quite wealthy enough to buy their way into an Ivy league school.
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Clemson loving sucks, Myrtle Beach is the best college town.
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Good/OK for COVID.
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Albania should def be no data or bad results
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