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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i think there's always a problem doing anti-prezzy stuff since presidents come and go whereas the problems stay the same. hence why RATM mostly still sounds pretty fresh, showing you images of protesters in mexico city in the 60s and the black panther party etc. whereas an album about Bu$hitler doesn't Celebrity entertainers are the perfect neoliberal subject, which is why our society exalts them more than any society at any point in history
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:Abolish daycrew as that's all journalists are at their core https://i.imgur.com/jDMRJGv.mp4
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Mr Hootington posted:He missed all the other tweets where Lee was very concerned with looting and looters. yeah but ofc the petite-bougoise must be worried about looters. you want them to worried about looters if they risk losing everything by siding with protestors but lose nothing by siding with cops, how do you think that ends? it ends like it always does, with them keeping their heads down while the boot comes down
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Halloween Jack posted:It happens that way because RATM are actually leftists, while most anti Bush musicians are just "Tipper Gore can't stop the rock!" culture war libertarians. Johnny Rotten is a Tory that looks like a melted candle
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Mr Hootington posted:I dont know where to post this, but it is podcast adjacent and some hosts posted Matt Taibbi's new article. Liz seems weirdly hostile to the current moment. The Trueanon stream the other day was mainly laying into the CHAZ and the demand's someone or other had issued. I get it that there's a lot of dumb disorganised Occupy drum circle poo poo going on, but pick your loving side. Either you're on board with the mission and dislike the tactics, in which case get out there and get involved, or accept that history's over, the people lost, we're just here to game and bitch and eat pizza until the seas boil. Taking cheap shots from your Twitch stream at the people in the streets is just wanking off. You can't turn this around on me, I'm immune, I haven't said anything bad about the people in the streets.
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Mr Hootington posted:I dont know where to post this, but it is podcast adjacent and some hosts posted Matt Taibbi's new article. lol that's the worst taibbi article ive ever read, he sometimes veers into being butthurt Punished Taibbi but usually not this bad
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Often Abbreviated posted:Liz seems weirdly hostile to the current moment. The Trueanon stream the other day was mainly laying into the CHAZ and the demand's someone or other had issued. I get it that there's a lot of dumb disorganised Occupy drum circle poo poo going on, but pick your loving side. Either you're on board with the mission and dislike the tactics, in which case get out there and get involved, or accept that history's over, the people lost, we're just here to game and bitch and eat pizza until the seas boil. Taking cheap shots from your Twitch stream at the people in the streets is just wanking off. i don't think anything is above criticism and i certainly don't think whats happening in seattle should be. don't really get the line of thinking that says you can't have an opinion about something if yr not directly involved in it.
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Victory Position posted:Johnny Rotten is a Tory that looks like a melted candle
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I don't have an opinion on the CHAZ except that it's cool they bothered the police department enough to make them abandon that precinct
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gh0stpinballa posted:i don't think anything is above criticism and i certainly don't think whats happening in seattle should be. don't really get the line of thinking that says you can't have an opinion about something if yr not directly involved in it. listen if you don't have the proper essences you can't comment on anything it'd be like writing a book about anti-semitism without being jewish, clearly worthless
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The Taibbi article is extremely bad, I say as someone who isn't familiar with any of the controversies besides the NYT and doesn't know who Lee Fang is It seems like Taibbi is still understandably touchy about the furor over his satirical articles from the eXile. It's in Taibbi's class interest to fear Cancel Culture, but it's also in his class interest to see the NYT editorial board get a Republican baptism
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Brain Candy posted:listen if you don't have the proper essences you can't comment on anything don't even get me started on marx criticizing capitalism, i'll bet he didn't even own a factory!
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gh0stpinballa posted:i don't think anything is above criticism and i certainly don't think whats happening in seattle should be. don't really get the line of thinking that says you can't have an opinion about something if yr not directly involved in it. i think what he was getting at is that it's annoying that people would rather focus on anarchists doing cringe instead of y'know literally anything else
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The Muppets On PCP posted:yeah he's not wrong in the abstract and does correctly bring up the lack of reporting on the absurdity of things like hotep nancy pelosi and chuck schumer or the footwashing ablation ritual at the pro-police rally in cary, nc. but that stuff never gets called out for what it is in the mainstream press because they lack the ability to see the absurdity in those situations, not because they're afraid of upsetting people I think Taibbi is correct about the ping ponging from crisis to crisis too. I think the biggest problems are that the "free press" is always chasing ratings and have turned into opinion reporting. His Tom cotton portion can gently caress right off though. The article may not have said kill the protestors, but cotton the day before or the same day of the article was saying so. Halloween Jack posted:The Taibbi article is extremely bad, I say as someone who isn't familiar with any of the controversies besides the NYT and doesn't know who Lee Fang is Yeah I think there is a weird class element to this. Same with how a lot of lefty journos were acting about covid and the lockdowns. Mr Hootington has issued a correction as of 19:34 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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It honestly just read like any other article complaining about cancel culture. poo poo's a decade old.
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If it weren't on substack, it wouldn't be out of place in the NYT
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quote:Cotton did not call for “military force against protesters in American cities.” He spoke of a “show of force,” to rectify a situation a significant portion of the country saw as spiraling out of control. It’s an important distinction. Cotton was presenting one side of the most important question on the most important issue of a critically important day in American history. looooool
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the military literally already shot someone dead lmao
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you know it's bad when everyone who likes it thinks everyone who doesn't is a "radlib". log off taibbi, thanks for your contribution to the awful online left culture war
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Halloween Jack posted:It happens that way because RATM are actually leftists, while most anti Bush musicians are just "Tipper Gore can't stop the rock!" culture war libertarians. those dorks all became right wing in the 90s. they're just reactionaries gradenko_2000 posted:If it weren't on substack, it wouldn't be out of place in the NYT yeah a bunch of the replies to liz's tweet were along the lines of this is the same column bari weiss and jonathan chait poo poo out every week maybe he wrote it at gunpoint and he's being held hostage The Muppets On PCP has issued a correction as of 20:49 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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I'm concerned that this is like that time i read a "debate" where Matt Taibbi teed off on a 9/11 truther and for a couple of years afterwards i was convinced of the controlled demolition theory.
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taibbi talks more about why he thinks the culture of journalism is bad on his podcast, useful idiots. he seems to think the point of op ed pages is to air dissenting opinions and let the readers make up their own minds, in a search for truth or something, so he doesn't think an editor's role is to take widely held opinions and keep them from being aired. i wish his co-host had pushed back on this because he clearly believes that op ed editors should keep all kinds of opinions from being aired, and it's not clear where the line is and why cotton's article does or doesn't cross that line. beyond that, i think he has a personal interest in journalists not losing their jobs for voicing opinions that go against the liberal consensus, as he frequently criticizes them from the left (see: the russia hysteria). that doesn't make his argument less dumb, but i think that's why he's making it
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I think the fundamental flaw of journalism is to robotically annihilate the idea of an unassailable common good through the need for impartiality On one hand, the Earth's rainforests are worth more to humanity, even from a dollar perspective, intact than cut down. Trees are purely good and the more the planet has, the better, especially as they absorb carbon, the emissions of which are increasing year over year. There is no argument against preserving them or growing more. On the other hand, this company wants to cut down every tree in the world and turn them into disposable crap and make a ton of money off it privately, so who can say what is good or bad? (If they reported on that kind of thing at all)
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Did people always have the desire for the most contrarian hot take or is that something the CIA has MKULTA'd into our rotten minds? If I crack open the bible does the Epistle of James have a passage saying "Rich people are good, actually."?
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Finicums Wake posted:taibbi talks more about why he thinks the culture of journalism is bad on his podcast, useful idiots. he seems to think the point of op ed pages is to air dissenting opinions and let the readers make up their own minds, in a search for truth or something, so he doesn't think an editor's role is to take widely held opinions and keep them from being aired. the oped section would and will never run leftist opinions, the only reason the abolish police one made it in the NYT was because of the cotton shitshow
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:I think the fundamental flaw of journalism is to robotically annihilate the idea of an unassailable common good through the need for impartiality But I understand your point. It's because these networks are for profit, and have to capture the lowest common denominator, that they can only play the role of impartial referee in a debate, and stridently avoid appearing "activist." The absurdity of that just becomes more obvious over time as irreconcilable interests come into open conflict.
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Finicums Wake posted:taibbi talks more about why he thinks the culture of journalism is bad on his podcast, useful idiots. he seems to think the point of op ed pages is to air dissenting opinions and let the readers make up their own minds, in a search for truth or something, so he doesn't think an editor's role is to take widely held opinions and keep them from being aired. Often Abbreviated posted:Did people always have the desire for the most contrarian hot take or is that something the CIA has MKULTA'd into our rotten minds? If I crack open the bible does the Epistle of James have a passage saying "Rich people are good, actually."? Remember the original hot takes were journalists squeezing political commentary into articles about sports or whatever because they resented assignments they didn't believe were newsworthy Halloween Jack has issued a correction as of 21:53 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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The Muppets On PCP posted:
Nah he trusts that kind of nonsense and now that Greenwald stapled himself to it, expect this to get worse and worse. At least he has stopped trying to bring up Marielle Franco like he's Dona Perpétua to defend whatever stupid poo poo Tracey is up to these days.
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Often Abbreviated posted:Liz seems weirdly hostile to the current moment. The Trueanon stream the other day was mainly laying into the CHAZ and the demand's someone or other had issued. I get it that there's a lot of dumb disorganised Occupy drum circle poo poo going on, but pick your loving side. Either you're on board with the mission and dislike the tactics, in which case get out there and get involved, or accept that history's over, the people lost, we're just here to game and bitch and eat pizza until the seas boil. Taking cheap shots from your Twitch stream at the people in the streets is just wanking off. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/647285098?t=00h43m00s to 60 minutes is probably a good distillation quote:brace: i think the problem in america is our version of getting organized is spending 2 years doing whatever, in an unorganized fashion, and then getting together for like these sort of like festivals of jubilization every couple years infront of whatever we don't like. and for a few days or a few weeks or maybe a month there's sort of orgy of excitement and happiness, and it's like jubilization, and the sense, of the 'oh we're creating a new world right now' and that's not what happens. things get worse. and i know that not everybody is not under that illusion, but i think a lot of people want to believe that, and y'know its tough. and a certain point you have to admit we're losing and been losing and if they aren't working then you can't pretend they are. also yung/brace/liz are involved in sf/oakland protests at least. imo the real poo poo is going to be august sometime after bernie bux runs outs. this is just warmup and childs play and that's ok to critique it so things can be done better in aug after everyone gets evicted for not having money and UE is gone.
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Lady Militant posted:i think what he was getting at is that it's annoying that people would rather focus on anarchists doing cringe instead of y'know literally anything else oh yeah i agree with that
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Halloween Jack posted:He's wrong, op ed pages have never served any point beyond rewarding people with sinecures yeah, he struck me as credulous, especially given that it's the nyt op ed page we're talking about
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Lady Militant posted:i think what he was getting at is that it's annoying that people would rather focus on anarchists doing cringe instead of y'know literally anything else To the point the last Matt Stream had him sneering at the garden pics, despite everyone there admitting it was a hobbyist garden and not an attempt at making a self-sustaining place, something that even the Mayor Durkin article confirmed.
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Taibbi: MSNBC could put Michael Avenatti on live TV to air a gang rape allegation without vetting, because who cared about Brett Kavanaugh – except press airing of that wild story ended up being a crucial factor in convincing key swing voter Maine Senator Susan Collins the anti-Kavanaugh campaign was a political hit job (the allegation illustrated, “why the presumption of innocence is so important,” she said). Reporters who were anxious to prevent Kavanaugh’s appointment, in other words, ended up helping it happen through overzealousness. I think it's adorable he believes Susan Collins's vote was ever in doubt. 
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Kunster posted:To the point the last Matt Stream had him sneering at the garden pics, despite everyone there admitting it was a hobbyist garden and not an attempt at making a self-sustaining place, something that even the Mayor Durkin article confirmed. Even if it was just meant a s a "hobbyist garden" it was still complete dogshit.
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Mr Hootington posted:I think Taibbi is correct about the ping ponging from crisis to crisis too. it's no surprise a lot of ex-Deadspin/Splinter/Gawker people have all slated the Taibbi article on Twitter, because it pushes back against the cliquey nature of modern lefty journalism and boy howdy if they weren't the cool kids table of the young NY media set
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