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more falafel please posted:So I know this is hearsay bullshit and you don't have to believe me but I talked to Priya about Brad a bit when I met her last summer. She basically said like "he's a white dude from Jersey, he's got a lot of poo poo to unlearn that he's just never considered before, but he Means Well and is getting better about it" I believe you but that is Brown Person Trying To Keep Their Job for "that person is insufferable and I do my best to avoid them at work". Source: me, a brown person who said almost that exact thing last week about the guy at work I despise and who insists that the coronavirus is caused by 5G signals
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Veskit posted:You know Conan makes big bucks off those clueless gamer vids and all he does is trash the poo poo out of them. Everyone already has their opinions on Andes mints they just needa get the poo poo out there. Conan has actually talked about this, game companies are fine with him trashing their stuff because, to their target audience, he's an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about. Actual chefs talking about how disgusting a food item is hits closer to speaking from authority. Though with how masturbatory Gourmet Makes is I can food companies looking at it kind of cynically. Like "Sure you could make a better version, but look how much trouble a trained professional went through to do it." There's probably more gourmet makes videos than people who actually made the item.
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Shrapnig posted:This won't work unless you mean on a social level. Why can't the workers at BA organize?
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Conan has actually talked about this, game companies are fine with him trashing their stuff because, to their target audience, he's an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about. Actual chefs talking about how disgusting a food item is hits closer to speaking from authority. Though with how masturbatory Gourmet Makes is I can food companies looking at it kind of cynically. Like "Sure you could make a better version, but look how much trouble a trained professional went through to do it." There's probably more gourmet makes videos than people who actually made the item. The biggest difference though is a video game is a brand new release so it's an uninformed opinion while with gourmet makes I highly doubt their target audience are people who have never had it. It's a 50 minute reminder of hey these jelly beans actually are tough to make so you should appreciate them when you eat them. Or like the Peanut butter cup episode that is so dumb to even attempt like what the gently caress. But I mean if you take away the cynicism you have to admit there's no loving way they aren't getting paid on at least some of those episodes. You tell me that loving hot pocket didn't sponsor that episode and I'll listen.
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Jun 13, 2020 18:21
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The company behind Takis obviously found the best way to spread word they exist was through Gourmet Makes
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Tweak posted:The company behind Takis obviously found the best way to spread word they exist was through Gourmet Makes Sooo... it wasn't a co-worker sharing a taki with me in a dirty Old Navy break room in 2009?
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Jun 13, 2020 20:23
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droll posted:Why can't the workers at BA organize? That would be ideal but, ya know, some of them benefit from the status quo and might not want to risk too much of it.
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Tweak posted:The company behind Takis obviously found the best way to spread word they exist was through Gourmet Makes It was actually by astroturfing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YLy4j8EZIk
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droll posted:Why can't the workers at BA organize? Because they don’t work for BA, they work for Condé Nast which has 3400 global employees in an industry where people are willing to work for nothing to get their name out there. I think there’s a huge misconception about how “easy” it is to organize in the workplace. Many companies have severe anti-union policies and the mere suggestion of unionization leads to immediate termination in a lot of cases. When was the last time a company of any real note actually unionized? Kickstarter voted to do so a few months ago, barely, but they only have 145 employees.
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Vox media employees unionized across their different brands like last year or the year before, including the Polygon video people, which is another personality-based video team.
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And then subsequently when through a position consolidation and round of layoffs that just happened remove the positions of the more vocal members of unionizatio n.
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They should all just break off and form their own channel
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:And then subsequently when through a position consolidation and round of layoffs that just happened remove the positions of the more vocal members of unionizatio They’re also a small, new media company. Condé Nast has been around for 111 years. Steve Yun posted:They should all just break off and form their own channel Call it Banned Appetit
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Steve Yun posted:They should all just break off and form their own channel Honestly yeah. They've got Hunzi to shoot/produce and all the talent. They probably couldn't call the shows the same things if BA owns the IP but who even knows the names of the shows besides Gourmet Makes or It's Alive. Failing that, Food Network or some other media company would be stupid not to pick them up.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:And then subsequently when through a position consolidation and round of layoffs that just happened remove the positions of the more vocal members of unionizatio I mean yeah but the point is that they unionized. Of course there’s going to be retaliation from the corporate overlords when that happens. Not entirely sure of your point here. It’s not easy, never is, maybe Condé Nast employees can’t do it, who knows.
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xtal posted:He's been drunk or something in every video recorded at home. And he seems like the person who would call the transmission in their car a 6-letter t-word without realizing why it was rude. But I also have a hard time finding him culpable just because of how extremely drunk and/or stupid he is. He's got golden retriever energy as they say, and sometimes a dog eats poo poo. I think this xtal guy seems like someone who yells at his kids and says the n-word a lot.
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when i got to know a new hire who came on the same day as me with the same title (associate editor), i had to feel out what sort of politics he had before broaching the subject of pay. it took him 6 months until he was comfortable telling me what he was paid after I asked. we work for the same publisher, but different publications. turns out we are being paid the same salary, but he was so scared to tell me "$60,000" it took hours of feeling me out before he'd divulge it to me outside of the office during lunch. america is a hosed up place, and my mind was blown that i was being paid more than sohla with zero experience in the field I was writing about. now we make the same amount of money, except I dont have to live within commuting distance to goddamn Manhattan. the Boston region isnt terribly affordable, but it sure as poo poo isnt NYC. on an entirely different subject, mac and cheese for thanksgiving was never a thing for my new england family, but I'd absolutely consider making it next time I host. The modernist cuisine recipe is so drat easy and it'd complement the meal so well.
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Shrapnig posted:Because they don’t work for BA, they work for Condé Nast which has 3400 global employees in an industry where people are willing to work for nothing to get their name out there. So no real reason, you just meant it will be hard. That's not new news. Steve Yun posted:They should all just break off and form their own channel I'm not sure this is the best for all the workers though. Just the ones directly involved in the production of videos. But yes the 'face' of the workers could definitely do this. droll fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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bon appetit wouldn't be the first conde nast publication to form a union. ars technica, the new yorker, pitchfork, and wired. all have unions that sent out a message about the whole recent incidents.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:There's probably more gourmet makes videos than people who actually made the item. A couple of the recent ones had user submissions at the end and there were quite a few. piratepilates posted:bon appetit wouldn't be the first conde nast publication to form a union. ars technica, the new yorker, pitchfork, and wired. all have unions that sent out a message about the whole recent incidents. gently caress yeah I hope they unionize. Syndicalism is good!
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Sohla is on the last episode of The Sporkful podcast and really takes the gloves off. Also, not only to say I told you so, she says that Brad didn't know racism existed until now.
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JFC they kept telling Sohla "you'll get paid tomorrow" for months.
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$35k pre tax without any raise or even a COL adjustment in 3 years to live in NYC and be an errand runner for a smug douche. Goddamn.
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Jun 14, 2020 18:12
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Man that episode really highlights what a piece of poo poo Matt Duckor is
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Also how lovely the interim EiC is, goddamn make Sohla EiC if she wants it, unfortunately I feel like if she loses this BA gig the rest of the lovely white food magazines are going to shun her.
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Colonel Whitey posted:Man that episode really highlights what a piece of poo poo
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Grem posted:Also how lovely the interim EiC is, goddamn make Sohla EiC if she wants it, unfortunately I feel like if she loses this BA gig the rest of the lovely white food magazines are going to shun her. I've been afraid of this, and there are two dimensions to it. One is that Conde Naste and the established conglomerates can blocklist them. Two, people are reluctant to employ people who called out and took down their previous employer. This is a rare, specific set of circumstances where the employees can make their indie company and challenge Conde Naste. Because the part we all seem to love about BA is also the part that Conde stands to lose. There was also just a shift to home studios, so everyone will be on equal playing field. It's huge that Sohla is a fan favorite but was lead to believe otherwise by the admins, probably because they were afraid of them making their own company. xtal fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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If they all went and started their own thing I don't think many people would care that it wasn't BA - it's about the personalities, not the brand.Grem posted:Also how lovely the interim EiC is, goddamn make Sohla EiC if she wants it, unfortunately I feel like if she loses this BA gig the rest of the lovely white food magazines are going to shun her. Part of me worries about this, but part of me thinks that her Serious Eats content and overall "online presence" haven't really pulled punches before. So you have to have known who you were hiring to a certain extent already? But this is definitely to a different level. Nephzinho fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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BA Exodus -> Cooking Giant Bomb imo which would kick rear end
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If there's a BA exodus I guarantee you some of the more lilly white chefs wouldn't leave their jobs at a "prestigious" institution like Bon Appetite.
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Grem posted:If there's a BA exodus I guarantee you some of the more lilly white chefs wouldn't leave their jobs at a "prestigious" institution like Bon Appetite. I think I know the C-suite wink wink you are talking about, but they are also going to have to deal with the fallout on their end from the rest of the people leaving.
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Munchies! Pick their asses up! I saw Pryia did a video for munchies back in the day so why not have the rest there  Veskit posted:I’m still not mad at brad though 
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Honestly Sohla could drop BA and start a Patreon. I for one would be more than glad to drop at least $5 a month to watch her do her thing.
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droll posted:So no real reason, you just meant it will be hard. That's not new news. No, I mean it won’t happen because there’s no leverage.
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Dear lord I pray you are just an armchair expert and have no real part of organizing workers.
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droll posted:Dear lord I pray you are just an armchair expert and have no real part of organizing workers. What’s your expertise? I run a payroll company, it’s very small, I’m not Mr Intuit, but I have daily conversations with people on both sides of this conversation.
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Don't they have split employment too? Like they work for BA on the magazine and Conde for the YouTube channel? Like that was the whole problem that started everything, Sohla was working for BA as an assistant editor on the magazine and Conde started using her in videos without payment. I know Conde owns BA buts its still a legal separate and distinct company.
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