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I'm on Covenant 24 now and suddenly I can't even beat Daedelus anymore. That extra pyre damage removes a lot of wiggle room. I did get another regen spamming Awoken run to Seraph but couldn't clear the 10/190 guys.
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How I changed in reaction to that was to take fewer trials and spend gold more efficiently. (My win rate didn't improve, I just brute forced OP poo poo to cov25 haha frost shark go brrr)
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Jun 14, 2020 01:40
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Jay Rust posted:One of the covenant difficulties makes it so that your top floor units get dazed the turn you play them there. How did you guys adapt to that, did it change up your playstyle? Wait until you get to the covenant that randomly makes one floor smaller in capacity by one. You generally just need to plan out floors better.
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Jun 14, 2020 01:48
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If I purge a card does it still turn gold if I win the run? I have the get 30 gold per energy and purge card and probably don't need to cash it in but I need it to turn gold.
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Jun 14, 2020 01:51
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No, purged cards are lost and will not become golden
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Jun 14, 2020 02:01
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Jay Rust posted:One of the covenant difficulties makes it so that your top floor units get dazed the turn you play them there. How did you guys adapt to that, did it change up your playstyle? That covenant addition makes me much more likely to try to play a floor 3 minion, any minion, on the first turn. It's a good train steward dump. I've lost too many of those +gold extinguish enemies by not doing so, since there's no guarantee you'll have a spell to take them out any any minion you play up there will be useless on that turn. Other than that I haven't found it to be all that noteworthy.
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Jun 14, 2020 08:16
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Tokyo Sex Whale posted:If I purge a card does it still turn gold if I win the run? They do not. It's only cards in your deck at the end of the run. However, if you don't use that card in the current fight or the next one, you'll get an artifact which changes "Purge" to "Consume" on all your cards.
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Shadow Ninja 64 posted:I'm on Covenant 24 now and suddenly I can't even beat Daedelus anymore. That extra pyre damage removes a lot of wiggle room. I did get another regen spamming Awoken run to Seraph but couldn't clear the 10/190 guys. Yeah it makes snowballing harder too. I've had runs where I just upgrade/duplicate the weirdest units for the sake of early game tempo and try to cobble together a wincon from there somehow. Those frontline tanks also made me value Piercing cards a lot higher; I pick Horn Break a lot of the time in Hellhorned for example so I can +10 Spell Power it and oneshot the tanks.
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Jun 14, 2020 09:03
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Anyone else think the remove consume +1 cost spell upgrade ought to be a minor one? Like sure its occasionally useful but feels like a wasted shop waaaaay more than the others
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Jun 14, 2020 10:01
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  Don't think I'll bother with full gold collection though, especially since I don't have golden bone dog yet.
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Jun 14, 2020 11:07
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blizzardvizard posted:
Just master all the cards on Covenant 1 if it ever bothers you. I was watching a streamer play the other week; he got offered Bone Dog and took 10G instead. He now knows exactly what proportion of his viewers are lurkers.
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Jun 14, 2020 12:45
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blizzardvizard posted:
I’d be interested to know which clan cards you HAVENT earned gold on yet
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Jay Rust posted:I’d be interested to know which clan cards you HAVENT earned gold on yet Hellhorned: Imp-in-a-Box, Horned Warrior, Imp-olate, Imp-pressive, Transcendimp, Branding Rite, Consumer of Crowns (I find Imp decks to be pretty awkward to draft yeah, I had one that nearly worked though and it was a pretty fun deck) Awoken: Ensnare, Vinemother, Adaptive Mutation, Focused Growth, Pyre-Gro, Spreading Spores, Cycle of Life Stygian: Gifts for a Guard MR: Devourer of Death, Remnant Host
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If you play the daily today, don't forget it gives endless to morsels too like I did and prevents you from ever drawing anything useful. 
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Jedit posted:They do not. It's only cards in your deck at the end of the run. I just won a run where I had that card for 4+ fights and did not get the flower. In other news the cavern event where you pick up 1 energy/2 blights plus snecko gauge is absolutely ridiculous.
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ThermosAquaticus posted:I just won a run where I had that card for 4+ fights and did not get the flower. I believe Jedit is thinking of another event, one where you get to choose between three different purge cards. The gold-themed one doesn’t earn you the flower.
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Lozareth posted:If you play the daily today, don't forget it gives endless to morsels too like I did and prevents you from ever drawing anything useful. I purged all my morsels, still died at seraph. Absolute garbage daily mutators.
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Jay Rust posted:I believe Jedit is thinking of another event, one where you get to choose between three different purge cards. The gold-themed one doesn’t earn you the flower. Yes, I'm thinking of the other Historian event. Sorry.
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To whomever recommended the sap totem: Thank you, just handily won a Covenant 12 run with it and double incant triggering. Who cares about damage output when you can just sap everything to do absolutely no damage?
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Just watched dolphinchemist go infinite on seraph thanks to the spell consume mod, the X+3 scroll, and two awoken railspikes with the remove consume mod. The finisher: https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongSullenLasagnaNotLikeThis
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Jun 16, 2020 00:12
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With the forge unit getting the killing blow!
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I fully admit I had to try the Seraph fight four times on this run, but I finally found a way to win the fight, get through C24, and get the gold border for the stupidly rare Bone Dog's Favor: My greatest regret was never getting holdover for Intent on Death to just keep exploding those Extinguish 35 damage + Extinguish 50 damage super bombs (got the second part from the event where you leave a unit or a spell with the wingless dude for awhile) with the double extinguish artifact. Edit: Also, Permafrost on Bone Dog's Favor is really good. Shadow Ninja 64 fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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 Finally won a run with Hellforged/Melting. I managed to get a trample tome as a rare umbra draft pick which basically won me the game along with the consume heals pyre artifact, I was down to 11 pyre health at one point.
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Is there any discussion of mobile/Switch ports of this? Seems like it would play well on those platforms?
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Still enjoying win streaking on Covenant 25 Random/Random, but I do wish certain things would get balanced a little better, especially extremely abusable easy wins like Stealth + Holdover. If I can completely invalidate the hardest difficulty level with 1 spell and 1 upgrade, there is a problem.
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Marketing New Brain posted:Still enjoying win streaking on Covenant 25 Random/Random.  Edit: Are you doing this just to style on the people who say the game is too random/luck-based?
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PMush Perfect posted:
If so, good.
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I feel like Holdover should just shuffle it back into the deck rather than put it on top. I know Holdover is technically balanced by taking up a card draw and only activating if you actually play the card, but it feels like it's pretty easy to make that a non-issue. Permafrost is similarly powerful but "keep it until you want to use it" feels less broken than "play it every loving turn"
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Color Printer posted:I feel like Holdover should just shuffle it back into the deck rather than put it on top. I know Holdover is technically balanced by taking up a card draw and only activating if you actually play the card, but it feels like it's pretty easy to make that a non-issue. ...hey, shut up. *plays Stealth 4 Holdover*
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PMush Perfect posted:
I meant I am enjoying attempting to win streak for fun, not that I endlessly win streak. I’m currently on a streak of 1 and my record is 3, because it is fairly easy to have a run derailed, especially certain combos on C25. Good runs can easily get derailed by something as simple as not getting the ability to ascend/descend units, which is critical for the last boss on most runs because the ridiculous high hp pool means in most cases you need 4 or so minions on a super floor to deal enough damage.
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Picked the game up last night, got a Awoken/Hellborne victory via spikes and then promptly got wrecked trying out Stygian/Awoken because I couldn't get my hand setup properly for Daedalus. Looking forward to putting a ton of time into this, definitely seems to have StS level potential if they keep iterating. What are the big flaws currently in the game and major exploits I should be aware of both to get super OP and where the enemy will crush my face (thinking trials here).
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Stacking one mega-floor via ascend and descend cards works out most of the time
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Sometimes the game just wants you to go nuts monstertrain://runresult/0526e0c9-ae4a-4d49-bf4e-9c2815db59d3 10(!) blights in deck, 33x11 on Dante lol
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Here’s a strategy question: when starting a new run, do you guys go for the artifact or the champion station first?
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I do artifact first pretty much all the time
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Tilting after narrowly losing 3 runs in a row at covenant 24 against Seraph, with really solid builds each time (including one I really liked*) that didn't have many issues at all for most of the game then simply couldn't put out enough damage in the last room  * That artifact that gives you 4 on the middle floor, with 4 large-stoned, multistriking Nameless Sirens (+ rage on incant), all other units removed and a shitload of stings, draw and zero cost spells. My champion was inconsequential. I lost due to no AoE... would have been an easy win with the double incant artifact though. Other two were a fairly standard degenerate frostbite build, and a pretty fun big waxless build with loads of reform and a duplicated, holdover subsuming blade. TaintedBalance posted:Picked the game up last night, got a Awoken/Hellborne victory via spikes and then promptly got wrecked trying out Stygian/Awoken because I couldn't get my hand setup properly for Daedalus. Looking forward to putting a ton of time into this, definitely seems to have StS level potential if they keep iterating. What are the big flaws currently in the game and major exploits I should be aware of both to get super OP and where the enemy will crush my face (thinking trials here). Similar to StS you get more aware of what the game could potentially throw at you so you can be better prepared for it. Some builds will always lose to some bosses though, like the 4 Nameless Siren one I mentioned bfore, was enitely based on the middle floor and I'd get wrecked by anything with haste. Enemies with sweep are probably the biggest run-killers for the unprepared, but not being able to kill rear units, and just too low stats in general will be the end of you a lot of times. There are a lot of ways to exploit/break the game, probably too many to list, which is one thing that makes it a lot of fun imo. They almost always involve some kind of scaling, especially as you work your way up the covenant levels and pure stats won't cut it any more. Scaling is usually fairly straighfoward based on each tribe's gimmick. But as the difficulty ramps up I feel like the key is finding combos between your two tribes that compliment each other and working with that. My favourite combo in this respect so far has been Umbra/Waxless, and it's probably the one I've been most succesful at cheesing higher covenants with. Umbra's morsels count as units for the purpose of any card that triggers off number of deaths. Waxless has a couple of solid number-of-death based damage cards that don't really scale fast enough to be useful in a predominantly Waxless build, however can be excellent in an Umbra build. There is also a card that gives you energy based on the number of units that have died which is insane with X cost cards, particularly the Shroud Spike, an Umbra card that triggers eaten and gorge effects 2X times. If you can pull it off you end up with units with 100+ damage shield or lifesteal or just absurd stats. Edit: Oh yeah and Holdover. Holdover is broken and wonderful  Gravy Jones fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jun 17, 2020 |
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TaintedBalance posted:Picked the game up last night, got a Awoken/Hellborne victory via spikes and then promptly got wrecked trying out Stygian/Awoken because I couldn't get my hand setup properly for Daedalus. Looking forward to putting a ton of time into this, definitely seems to have StS level potential if they keep iterating. What are the big flaws currently in the game and major exploits I should be aware of both to get super OP and where the enemy will crush my face (thinking trials here). it definitely feels a lot more solvable and easy than slay. The depth isn't really there. i have had a hard time past 12 in slay for years and am rocketing through monster train with ease. once you've figured out which minions will carry you there's not really enough variation between runs to stop you from winning pretty much every game you pull certain cards or relics. in slay combos like corruption+dead branch or whatever feel very rare, in monster train it happens all the time. with that being said the game is a hell of a lot of fun!
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Jay Rust posted:Here’s a strategy question: when starting a new run, do you guys go for the artifact or the champion station first? Artifact has much more variance, I always go there first.
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Jesus, this is just as frustrating as StS in terms of being able to get to the final boss but things not quite coming together or you just get utterly hosed on draws.
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