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taqueso posted:did he complete an architecture design/revamp? After looking through whatever xLake arcitecture is next: Jim Keller: [holding vulnerability hole trap like a rat by the tail] We got it. Intel CEO: What is it? Will there be any more of them? Jim Keller: Sir, what you had there is what we refer to as a focused, non-terminal, repeating phantasm or a ring-zero full-roaming vapor. A real nasty one, too. Dr. Peter Venkman : And now... [Peter clears his throat] Dr. Peter Venkman : ... let's talk seriously. Now, for the discovery, we're gonna have to ask you... [Egon holds up four fingers] Dr. Peter Venkman : ... for four big ones, Four thousand dollars for that. But we are having a special this week on vulnerability probing of the exploit... [Egon holds up one finger] Dr. Peter Venkman : ... and that's only gonna come to one thousand dollars, fortunately. Intel CEO : Five thousand dollars? I had no idea it'd be so much. I won't pay it. <Jim Keller resigns>
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Maybe AMD can hire him back at $outrageous but put him on video cards
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Fabulousity posted:After looking through whatever xLake arcitecture is next: loving lmao
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taqueso posted:Maybe AMD can hire him back at $outrageous but put him on video cards "Hey Jim, you like SIMD, right?"
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Intel: "Can you fix our 10 nm clusterfuck?" Jim: "Sure, just give me a couple years and..." Intel: "Can you fix it by September?" Jim: "..."
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Jun 12, 2020 04:55
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Fabulousity posted:After looking through whatever xLake arcitecture is next: This made my day. 
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Since we're on the intergenerational cusp, waiting for Zen 3 CPUs to finally exist (and, very irritatingly, also still waiting for them to be formally announced), I wanted to do some benchmarking while I still have representatives of each of the first three generations on hand. As all my machines run Linux, tools like Cinebench aren't available to me. Also, it's a single-task benchmark, which I don't really dig. I'm not a huge fan of synthetic benchmarks period, but we've gotta have something to try to represent the overall performance of a machine. I opted to go with the current release of Geekbench, v5.1. So here's how my Ryzens stacked up, at the specific settings that I use when they're running compute workloads 24/7: code:I'm looking forward to seeing how the Zen 3s stack up. I'll be running this same test suite, as well as a battery of tests similar to what I ran when the 3900X was released.
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mdxi posted:Since we're on the intergenerational cusp, waiting for Zen 3 CPUs to finally exist (and, very irritatingly, also still waiting for them to be formally announced), I wanted to do some benchmarking while I still have representatives of each of the first three generations on hand. Thank you for sharing. I'm pleasantly surprised to see Zen1 do so well, and think it doesn't get the credit it deserves for putting AMD back on the map. Though I don't have Geekbench numbers handy, running Cinebench R20 on my suite of boxes was illuminating in its own right: code:
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Fabulousity posted:After looking through whatever xLake arcitecture is next:
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Hasturtium posted:Thank you for sharing. I'm pleasantly surprised to see Zen1 do so well, and think it doesn't get the credit it deserves for putting AMD back on the map. I mean it's interesting but says more about the 3 different levels of power limiting mdxi is running than anything else. The 2700 is running the worst version, a locked low clock and no voltage tweak is the worst way to optimize performance vs power you can get. That's why it barely outperforms the stock 1600 multicore despite 2 more cores: the single core performance is almost 10% down. Then the 3900X has a massive jump because PPT tweaks on Zen 2 are the best way to limit power.
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Klyith posted:The 2700 is running the worst version, a locked low clock and no voltage tweak is the worst way to optimize performance vs power you can get. That's why it barely outperforms the stock 1600 multicore despite 2 more cores: the single core performance is almost 10% down. Then the 3900X has a massive jump because PPT tweaks on Zen 2 are the best way to limit power. All this is very true. I was very bad at the whole underclocking/undervolting thing when Zen+ happened. I learned a lot (and got better) when Zen2 happened, but PPT limiting obviated all that. It's easy mode for finding your power/heat/compute sweet spot, and I like it very much.
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Jun 12, 2020 21:10
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The Silicon Cowboy rides again. https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/changes-intels-technology-systems-architecture-client-group/ Quick, rehire him at AMD and put him on the GPUs.
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If you read between the lines, I don’t think he’s going to be taking a big shot gig anytime soon. Sounds like a medical issue in the family. Sucks.
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have him be an individual contributor that works from home in their free time and it'll still be a huge win
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Cygni posted:If you read between the lines, I don’t think he’s going to be taking a big shot gig anytime soon. Sounds like a medical issue in the family. Sucks. 
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Jon Masters of Nuvia tweeted this and quickly deleted it, if Keller was gonna so somewhere that would be my guess.
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So to get back to AMD, apparently the XT refresh will consist only of a 3600XT, 3800XT, and 3900XT... no 3700XT. Looks like the XTs will slot into gaps in the current retail prices of ryzen models, so probably not much downward pressure on the 3600 or 3700X from that. Oh well, seems like bargain hunters for the higher core-count processors will need to wait for the Zen 3 launch.
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Jun 13, 2020 06:25
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I thought I've been spoiled on overbuilt machines from 2013 that had good SSDs for the time. Then I update the "TV" PC with a 3700x & a NVME drive because the old one is getting finicky in its old age. Modern tech is really sweet and wasn't even that expensive given how crazy good it is
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Looks like you can preorder B550 boards on Newegg: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=b550+motherboard&N=100007625&name=AMD%20Motherboards
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Jun 13, 2020 07:58
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Cygni posted:If you read between the lines, I don’t think he’s going to be taking a big shot gig anytime soon. Sounds like a medical issue in the family. Sucks.
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You're loving with me
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NewFatMike posted:You're loving with me https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2017/01/15/he-says-freedom-they-say-hate-the-pronoun-fight-is-back.html quote:It’s December, and Peterson and his wife have just returned from Palo Alto, Calif., where they visited his sister Bonnie, a nurse, and her husband, Jim Keller, an engineer who helped develop one of Apple’s iPhone chips.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Here's a nice conspiracy theory going around, that also rustles some feathers with certain people: Keller's wife is the sister of Jordan Peterson, who's currently not right in the head from trying to go cold-turkey on a benzo addiction via a Russian coma, or some such poo poo. 2020 Best and Final year by the looks of it now 
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NewFatMike posted:You're loving with me Nyet. https://newrepublic.com/article/156829/happened-jordan-peterson TL;DR: Petersen didn't like the medical opinion that going cold turkey on benzos would gently caress him up because it would completely go against his fascist-ingrained philosophy of self-help, bootstrapping and mind-over-body, that he went to Russia to find someone who would tell him what he wanted to hear and word is he's a vegetable now.
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Yeah, so anyway, some people are speculating wildly that this were the medical emergency. I suppose Peterson is back home and/or worsened, or some such. Probably a whole lot of bullshit, but alas. Just the Internet. --edit: Of course, if that were actually the reason, it'd be hilarious in some way. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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At the end of the day it’s Jim’s business. It sounds like he’s backing out with a six month transition where he’ll be conditionally available, so it’s not a departure on the worst terms, but I wouldn’t assume his work for Intel is taped out either. He’ll go where he wants when he’s ready, and any place that takes him on will be glad for it.
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Klyith posted:So to get back to AMD, apparently the XT refresh will consist only of a 3600XT, 3800XT, and 3900XT... no 3700XT.   Glad I told a co-worker not to wait for the 3600XT. e: oof 
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edit: is that price for the XT actually correct? the article is speculating that it'll be cheaper i was just on the verge of building a computer as i finally got my hands on a motherboard, theres no reason not to wait four days or whatever for the definitive prices, right
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Anyone wants to sell me their lightly-used 3600 for a song because they're upgrading, hmu. XD
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Looks like 3600s are a week or two back-ordered most places, though the price has dropped to $167. I would have thought that the surge in people buying gear because of being stuck at home would have dropped by now. Has AMD talked about production shortfalls?
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upgrading a 3000 series to a 3000XT series is loving stupid just wait 6mo for zen 3 for a 10% isoclock perf boost. If it's still 7nm you'll also get the frequency improvements
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v1ld posted:Looks like 3600s are a week or two back-ordered most places, though the price has dropped to $167. I would have thought that the surge in people buying gear because of being stuck at home would have dropped by now. Has AMD talked about production shortfalls? As of last week webcams were still completely sold out at my local microcenter. How much of that is China slowdown vs demand I don't know, but I don't think the demand surge is over yet, especially if a bunch of people decided a $30 price cut was enough of a difference to upgrade.
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Some Goon posted:As of last week webcams were still completely sold out at my local microcenter. How much of that is China slowdown vs demand I don't know, but I don't think the demand surge is over yet, especially if a bunch of people decided a $30 price cut was enough of a difference to upgrade. Yeah, that's a good example and one I can particularly relate to. Didn't wake up to the need for a webcam until a few weeks in and have given up on getting one. If it's just demand there will probably be no effect on the next gen of both processors and gpus, otherwise it's going to get interesting if we have a supply shortfall for current and for future parts. In fact SwissArmyDruid posted:Anyone wants to sell me their lightly-used 3600 for a song because they're upgrading, hmu. XD Hi, want to buy a heavily used, constantly OCed, 7+ year old 3770k for a very cacophonous price?
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Some Goon posted:As of last week webcams were still completely sold out at my local microcenter. How much of that is China slowdown vs demand I don't know, but I don't think the demand surge is over yet, especially if a bunch of people decided a $30 price cut was enough of a difference to upgrade. It's shipping. Tech Jesus has a couple videos on how industry contacts can't get supply because it's sitting on the docks because there has been little to no air shipping because of human malware, and what little air or sea shipping there IS, is being prioritized for PPE.
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I'm reaching month 3 on two fans. Tracking still has them as handed over to air freight in China, same as in March.
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From what I've heard, and I'll check in on it again tomorrow, there really isn't a problem with shipping capacity, and air freight is a bit constrained but certainly not problematic for higher-margin products. The volume that PPE consumes is minimal, and there are a LOT of people back to work. The problem is more that at certain ports in China, bribery demands have become exorbitant. Normally this disruption of order would probably result in a good old fashioned black vanning, but right now the CCP rather likes making things uncomfortable for foreigners, even at their own expense. Western media coverage of coronavirus handed them a PR victory on a platter right when they were looking for an excuse to ramp up control, so they're implementing a lot more of their plans from last year. People are having some long-term concerns that China may be attempting to use the current situation to mitigate and absorb blame for some of the future economic problems they're facing. e - it's also worth noting that a lot of computer products are consumed in small enough volumes and shipped by sea in such a way that the disruption of supply chains will affect them for a much longer period than things produced and consumed at a higher rate. K8.0 fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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I'm glad the timing worked out so that I ordered all my parts for my current computer in April, and stuff arrived just fine. I also managed to grab a monitor in stock and got it shipped just fine. The only headache with shipping I had recently was Best Buy being dumb and bad about a videocard, and my order from NewEgg for a similar card worked out just fine. I just received a wireless adapter from NewEgg that was a bit delayed by the postal service, and then delivered to the wrong house, but the neighbor brought it to me so it all worked out in the end.
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bull3964 posted:I'm reaching month 3 on two fans. Tracking still has them as handed over to air freight in China, same as in March. Lest you think me unsympathetic, I have been waiting on some loving microswitches with which I intend to capital-F FIX my various Logitech mice. For good.  I don't believe that tracking information for even a moment, btw. I figure I'll ACTUALLY get my stuff sometime in July.
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