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Cough Drop The Beat posted:"Emergency use authorization" means nothing more than the drug was/is recommended to have elevated stock levels for potential use by doctors in treating the virus, which was simply the FDA rolling over for Trump's idiot moron demands and no real doctor ever used it for serious treatment unless they were looking to lose their medical license. That's the entire point we're getting at. The FDA just went ahead and did what Trump wanted instead of using their standard protocol. That makes them less trustworthy.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:A Biden administration haha
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Also, uh, of course no one except idiot chuds will trust an untested vaccine that comes out of nowhere this year with Trump strong-arming the FDA into a September or October Surprise, but I'm talking about a vaccine with an ordinary approval process which is far more likely to actually be released than the former.
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Chud's probably don't want no pussy vaccine anyway. It's all just a hoax. It's the flu. OPEN UP!
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Blitter posted:Also it is amazing that the American approach is to let it become endemic, and wait for a solution that may not come, and even then, probably not take it. 
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snake and bake posted:I'm far from the only person who is wary of a fast-tracked vaccine. Sad I'm not the only one who has wondered this. Hell, he just has to tweet a vaccine has been found a few days before the election to make headlines. At that point he'll have nothing to lose by doing so.
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My pessimistic hell scenario is that a vocal group of voters will aggressively lobby the FDA for immediate access to a partially-tested vaccine that the media has given widespread uncritical glowing reviews to ($$$). Some unanticipated but nasty adverse effect will manifest and be widely reported on, further poisoning public perceptions towards vaccines in general.
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Subvisual Haze posted:My pessimistic hell scenario is that a vocal group of voters will aggressively lobby the FDA for immediate access to a partially-tested vaccine that the media has given widespread uncritical glowing reviews to ($$$). Some unanticipated but nasty adverse effect will manifest and be widely reported on, further poisoning public perceptions towards vaccines in general. That's basically the worst case scenario, so you can basically count on it happening. Happy 2020, baby!!
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:"Emergency use authorization" means nothing more than the drug was/is recommended to have elevated stock levels for potential use by doctors in treating the virus, which was simply the FDA rolling over for Trump's idiot moron demands and no real doctor ever used it for serious treatment unless they were looking to lose their medical license. Oh, the FDA has in the past rolled over for Trump's idiot moron demands, you say? And the FDA is also in charge of vaccine approvals?
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Il Federale posted:president erdogan, this is your time to shine Assad, Lion of Syria, save us!
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Il Federale posted:president erdogan, this is your time to shine Don't be a tough guy! Don't be a fool!
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Chud's probably don't want no pussy vaccine anyway. It's all just a hoax. It's the flu. https://youtu.be/gStdVdVqx7k
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I don't have the roni. There's still time though, so long as the casino stays open. It's only getting worse. drat gambling addicts. At least that lady who left her grandson to die in a hot car while she gambled for 6 hours straight got sentenced to 17 and a half years yesterday. Silver linings.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:That's the entire point we're getting at. The FDA just went ahead and did what Trump wanted instead of using their standard protocol. That makes them less trustworthy. Turns out when the most powerful person in the country is an evil drooling idiot moron with narcissistic personality disorder, a propensity to throw tantrums and a severe case of dunning-kruger, all the normal systems of checks and balances start to break down as agencies start rolling over in sheer desperate self preservation. Whoul'da thunk?
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Untrustable posted:At least that lady who left her grandson to die in a hot car while she gambled for 6 hours straight got sentenced to 17 and a half years yesterday. Silver linings.
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Even if one of the pharmaceutical companies in the US comes up with a viable vaccine it'd still be pretty much impossible for them to manufacture the hundreds of millions of doses that would be needed in a short enough time frame. One of the big stumbling blocks is that none of the manufacturers have the capacity to produce enough doses on their own, and since the vaccine would be worth billions there's just no way that they'd share it with the other manufacturers. The White House would pretty much have their hands tied as well, the could use the Defense Production Act to force other companies to help that manufacturer increase their production capacity but that'd also take several years. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/vaccine-arrives-experts-worry-us-ready-mass-produce/story?id=70167459
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it's cute that you think any of the powers that be actually want hundreds of millions of doses, they'll make a couple thou and then lose interest
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Vaccines fail to grant immunity in a small proportion of cases. If a sufficiently large proportion of the population receives the vaccine, this is of little consequence because everyone is protected by herd immunity. TPTB have to ask themselves if withholding the vaccine is worth perhaps a one in twenty chance of contracting CoViD from their caddy.
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What complicates this calculation is the very real possibility that a vaccine would only provide protection for a few months.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:"Emergency use authorization" means nothing more than the drug was/is recommended to have elevated stock levels for potential use by doctors in treating the virus, which was simply the FDA rolling over for Trump's idiot moron demands and no real doctor ever used it for serious treatment unless they were looking to lose their medical license. Not quite: quote:Following the declaration by the Secretary of HHS that circumstances exist justifying the emergency use of unapproved products, the FDA may issue an emergency use authorization to allow unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions caused by chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear threats when there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. I'd say 2/3 of the infectious disease docs I know prescribe HCQ to hospitalized COVID+ patients. not that it's been shown to be efficacious but plenty of MDs are prescribing it. Nobody is losing their license for prescribing it either, thanks to the aforementioned emergency use authorization. You don't know of any doctors prescribing HCQ? What are they using to treat their patients, then?
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Anyways, saying "i'm gonna get the first vaccine that comes out, safety & efficacy be damned" is as dumb as saying "I'm not getting any vaccines ever".
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i'll get whatever vaccine is approved by the EU health agencies
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Maybe there will be medical tourism for the good vaccines.
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Call me if you want to get some great deals on flights to Cuba for getting vaccinated! Seats are going fast, so better be quick.
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Mozi posted:i'll get whatever vaccine is approved by the EU health agencies
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I won't get any vaccine that doesn't include a microchip.
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You'll know if I participate in the clinical trials if you see "bad posting" in the potential side effect list
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Noblesse Obliged posted:You'll know if I participate in the clinical trials if you see "bad posting" in the potential side effect list There’s equal odds you end up in the control group, in which case the side effect of “good posting” will be noted.
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Mozi posted:i'll get whatever vaccine is approved by the EU health agencies
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Went to my gym yesterday in Los Angeles and the gym said you need a mask to come in but wearing a mask is Optional once inside. About only 10 percent were wearing masks.
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Piggy Smalls posted:Went to my gym yesterday in Los Angeles and the gym said you need a mask to come in but wearing a mask is Iona once inside. About only 10 percent were wearing masks. Time to find a new gym.
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Well, he is a rebel. 
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My university is, I think, planning to hold in person classes this fall. It's infuriating that everyone in the US seems to have such a cavalier attitude towards safety. I shall make masks mandatory for class attendance if I can.
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Oh relax. It's not like anyone d.... Wait. poo poo.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:This is a very dumb post and I hope you realize how lame and wrong it is. Even if a potential vaccine is fast-tracked, it's going to take 1-1.5+ years for enough clinical testing through multiple extensive trials to be done before the vaccine hits actual FDA approval, which is a very complicated, lengthy process on its own. This is assuming it doesn't take much longer than expected to find a viable vaccine, which could very well happen... or if a vaccine is even possible at all. Literally every doctor friend ive spoken to told me to hold out a bit.
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Hate Fibration posted:My university is, I think, planning to hold in person classes this fall. It's infuriating that everyone in the US seems to have such a cavalier attitude towards safety. I shall make masks mandatory for class attendance if I can. Thankfully there is a bit of time before then. Southern states are not looking too good and people are already asking to shut them down. Doesn't matter if you're in a state that has properly mitigated, those southern states will reset the clock for everyone.
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FlamingLiberal posted:While that's terrible, the important question is-- how much did she win? $527 000! That's how much it's going to cost to house her as an inmate for 17 years
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EvilJoven posted:$527 000! not a bad retirement plan
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naem posted:not a bad retirement plan My retirement plan is a bullet
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:My retirement plan is a bullet 
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