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ENEMIES EVERYWHERE posted:I just finished book 8 and boy howdy I understand they're just kids and it's hard to murder someone face-to-face, but NOT killing the Andalite that is Visser Three's host body when he was lying there begging them for death is simultaneously the single most cruel and strategically terrible thing they've ever done
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# ? Jun 13, 2020 03:39 |
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# ? May 20, 2024 19:10 |
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They should have gotten themselves whale morphs while they had the chance. Would have made this next trip much easier.
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# ? Jun 13, 2020 07:28 |
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Avalerion posted:They should have gotten themselves whale morphs while they had the chance. Would have made this next trip much easier. My biggest frustration with these kids is that they are not constantly experimenting with new animals. Seems like every week there's a new mission and they're all, "oh no, we don't have any good morphs prepared, let's do our best with whatever Cassie's got in her barn and don't take time to practice!" They should be constantly hanging out at the zoo, acquiring new forms and doubling up on useful morphs for god's sake. Forget math class. This is your homework now. You are an Animorph and you will FIND some ANIMALS to MORPH.
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# ? Jun 13, 2020 07:50 |
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They've made the point in the books they don't know if there's a limit to the number of morphs they can do. It's definitely a risk/reward thing but I think they are, not wholly intentionally, going with a strategy of getting an appropriate morph when they have a need to avoid a situation where they acquire 20 awesome land based predators and suddenly need to go to sea. Or have an amazing set of attack morphs and get a situation where they need to be able to get through a mall unobserved. I actually am surprised and impressed with how well the authors have handled 'show, don't tell'. Even well regarded writing like Ender's Game is nowhere near this level. Although it has the downside that it's target audience likely misses a lot subtext and even experienced readers need to be bringing a lot of outside knowledge to flesh things out.
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# ? Jun 13, 2020 08:50 |
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wizzardstaff posted:My biggest frustration with these kids is that they are not constantly experimenting with new animals. Seems like every week there's a new mission and they're all, "oh no, we don't have any good morphs prepared, let's do our best with whatever Cassie's got in her barn and don't take time to practice!" The problem with giving up on school to do this is that it gets them in trouble which makes it harder for them to do this (and also Jake's brother is a Controller who might get suspicious if Jake starts acting too unusual). So the try to keep it as cool and low-down as possible, which means their time to do stuff is limited.
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# ? Jun 13, 2020 10:40 |
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It's a little hyperbolic, I admit. No one actually wants to read Animorphs: The Isekai where the characters just minmax their way through the resistance. It always just stood out to me is all.
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# ? Jun 13, 2020 14:55 |
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Kchama posted:The problem with giving up on school to do this is that it gets them in trouble which makes it harder for them to do this (and also Jake's brother is a Controller who might get suspicious if Jake starts acting too unusual). And also their assistant principal is a high-ranking Controller who is definitely open to the idea that the Andalite bandits are humans.
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# ? Jun 13, 2020 15:30 |
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It's just the structure of the series that they usually get 1 new morph per book. Gets a little silly later on when they run out of cool animals and it has to justify why they suddenly need to become ducks or cows or whatever. They are really short and it usually takes a while to give you animal facts and a couple of body horror paragraphs when they transform so they don't have space to do a bunch of them anyway.
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# ? Jun 13, 2020 15:59 |
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The Message-Chapter 14quote:"Okay," Jake said. "Here's what we know. Or at least, what we think we know." See? I'm not the only one bothered by Jesus whale! quote:Jake smiled. "Well, stay tuned. It just gets weirder. Cassie and I have been going over maps. She says the location we're looking for is pretty far out to sea. Too far for us to swim and still have any time left of our two-hour limit." I know a lot of those container ships are mostly automated, but still, I hope there aren't any crew members noticing a bunch of kids on their ship. quote:"Oh, well, when you put it that way, it sounds so easy," Marco sneered. "How about if we just walk over to Chapman's house and tell him to call Visser Three to finish us off? It's so much easier, and the results will be the same." The best part of all this is that Jake and Cassie think they're keeping their relationship a secret.
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# ? Jun 14, 2020 00:43 |
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Couldn't they also swim out there as dolphins, morph back to human (one by one, supported by the others as dolphins), then re-morph? Ah well, same thing either way really. e: Come to think of it, how are they going to get back?
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# ? Jun 14, 2020 03:11 |
Radio Free Kobold posted:Couldn't they also swim out there as dolphins, morph back to human (one by one, supported by the others as dolphins), then re-morph? Ah well, same thing either way really. This guy has put more thought into their plan than any of them have It's pretty much a recurring theme isn't it? Flying by the seat of their pants and half-assing everything?
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# ? Jun 14, 2020 03:14 |
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Tobias is the only one with the watch.
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# ? Jun 14, 2020 03:26 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:This guy has put more thought into their plan than any of them have
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# ? Jun 14, 2020 16:57 |
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Loving this thread! I haven't read some of these in easily 15-20 years. Some parts I remember almost verbatim, others (like Whale Jesus) my brain just deleted the information outright. One thing I'm noticing: the narration has already started to describe Rachel as a true-warrior, reborn Amazon type, but I don't know that her actions have really borne that out yet. She's quick to agree to action, but she doesn't seem to be any more of a ruthless, skilled fighter/killer than the others at this point. The most it's shown up so far is when she's in cat morph and tapping into the predator instincts. I know we'll start to see the shift in her persona pretty soon, about the time when she switches from using an elephant to a grizzly as her battle morph. The references from other characters to her love of battle have already shown up, as I've said, so this was clearly always an intention in the authors' mind -- I wonder if her battle morph shift was always planned as a piece of character development, or if it was a later switch to characterize her more strongly?
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# ? Jun 14, 2020 19:02 |
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Chapter 15quote:<Hey! Half a sandwich! It's salami!> Monrovia is the capital of Liberia, and named after US president James Monroe. It was set up in 1822 as a settlement for freed slaves from the US and got its independence in 1847 quote:<Show-off,> Jake grumbled. Not too much to say about this chapter, except that Tobias has figured out how to estimate speeds! And seaguls are obnoxious.
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 00:04 |
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Liberia is also a common port of call for ships to avoid taxes. A lot of cruise liners are based there.
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 00:40 |
Soup du Jour posted:Liberia is also a common port of call for ships to avoid taxes. A lot of cruise liners are based there. Ships in general, not just cruise
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 01:37 |
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Hang on, any ship that spends more than three days away from port can be guaranteed Yeerk-free, right? Does that make the world's submariners and sardine fishermen the first line of defence against invasion from the stars?
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 02:26 |
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Tree Bucket posted:Hang on, any ship that spends more than three days away from port can be guaranteed Yeerk-free, right?
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 03:37 |
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Daikloktos posted:Eventually they do get the Kandrona technology down to jacuzzi size Smaller than that even. There's one that's about the size of a basketball for singular use.
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 03:51 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Smaller than that even. There's one that's about the size of a basketball for singular use. Is that the Chee invention?
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 04:08 |
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Epicurius posted:Is that the Chee invention? I think they're referring to the one Visser Three uses when he's pretending to be Tobias's relative. I remember it being small enough to use in a hotel bathroom.
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 04:16 |
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I wish people would at least mention what books they're referencing in their spoiler tags (outside the hag) so I would know if I would know whether I can safely check them
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 06:11 |
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Fuschia tude posted:I wish people would at least mention what books they're referencing in their spoiler tags (outside the hag) so I would know if I would know whether I can safely check them For what it's worth, I might also be misremembering the scattered glimpses of the TV show and its interpretation of the Kandrona light, which I seem to recall was about the size of a small countertop vanity mirror, for production practicality reasons.
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 06:19 |
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Fuschia tude posted:I wish people would at least mention what books they're referencing in their spoiler tags (outside the hag) so I would know if I would know whether I can safely check them Sorry First spoilered post is very minor and comes to light probably in the next couple books I think, the next three spoilers are for events much later in the series and are in increasing level of specificity, from nine-gear crow's general "a thing happens" to my "here's a very explicit plot development including the twist".
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 06:37 |
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If you think a spoiler is such that it could ruin your enjoyment of a book series, don't read the spoiler. The tags are there so people that have already read the series can discuss it without spoiling it for you.
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 11:38 |
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To be fair, this is a long book series, and the idea that people might have read some of the books and not others isn't entirely outrageous. So I don't think Fuschia tude's request is unreasonable. I don't know that it would work, because sometimes mentioning what book something is in can itself be a spoiler. But I guess I'd just remind people to be careful about spoilers, and also that we should probably be respectful of each other.
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 14:14 |
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Epicurius posted:To be fair, this is a long book series, and the idea that people might have read some of the books and not others isn't entirely outrageous. So I don't think Fuschia tude's request is unreasonable. I don't know that it would work, because sometimes mentioning what book something is in can itself be a spoiler. But I guess I'd just remind people to be careful about spoilers, and also that we should probably be respectful of each other. I guess if you're gonna talk about future books at all with spoiler blocks then just stick (Book Name) in front of it and it will be good.
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 19:20 |
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I don't want to spoiler anything for anyone but there are 55 books in this series and most of us read them ages ago, it's gonna be hard to remember what specific book something was in to label it. I think anyone who doesn't want to be spoiled should just not read the spoiler tags.
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Ok, so lets do this. Spoil spoilers. Don't read spoilers if you don't want to be spoiled. If you can and want to be more specific about where the spoilers come from to help other people, that would be great. And, most importantly, be charitable about things. People are going to screw up. That's ok.
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 20:08 |
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The Message-Chapter 16quote:After a long time, Jake checked the watch. "It's been about an hour. Cassie? What do you think?" Oops. quote:I had a sinking feeling. The plan was falling apart before it had even begun. This is true., A lot of people think that because they can swim in a pool or a lake, it translates to swimming in the ocean, but the ocean is a lot deeper and more treacherous than people think. quote:I broke the surface and gasped a lungful of air and a mouthful of saltwater. What had looked like a little choppiness from up in the ship felt like towering waves down here. I couldn't see any of the others. All I could see was the side of the ship. Not really much of a surprise. They knew the Yeerks were coming.
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# ? Jun 15, 2020 23:50 |
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Epicurius posted:
I forgot about this. There's an interpretation that kicks around the fandom from time to time that Cassie is, well, a tremendous hypocrite; that her priority isn't winning the war, it's keeping her hands clean, and all her moralizing and her passionate speeches are just her attempts to justify her actions to herself. There are parts in later books where one could argue that she's coercing Jake or Rachel into doing something she wants done but doesn't want to be responsible for doing. I can't believe at all that that's how we're intended to read her (for one, KAA admitted Cassie's her favorite). But the argument is certainly helped by the fact that in her very first book, when they're all but committed to seeing this mission through, she stops to say that she wants it off her conscience.
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# ? Jun 16, 2020 01:36 |
Speaking as a nautical type guy, they have no idea just how loving dangerous this was. I'd expect a drop of somewhere between 10-15m from the freeboard deck of a container vessel to the water, which is enough to cause serious injury if you land wrong, or unconsciousness if you're really unlucky. Plus, as Cassie mentions, the ship is in motion. Water does all kinds of crazy poo poo with large bodies moving, so one direct result would be that as the ship pushes forward they would be dragged against the hull. Probably not enough to do any damage in and of itself, but if they aren't morphed and swimming away by the time they get to the stern, there is a very real chance of being mulched by the prop.
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# ? Jun 16, 2020 01:41 |
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You'd think they could go seagull, fly down, then back to human before morphing dolphin. I guess they get better at the logistics later! Also, Cassie was fine getting her hands dirty when she went all pro ice on that Cop-Controller in the first book.
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# ? Jun 16, 2020 02:45 |
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Epicurius posted:And do you think Tobias permanently turned into a hawk on purpose? Absolutely. Given what we know about his life as a human it's not a stretch to think he was looking for a way out for a while, saw an opportunity, and took it. They never explicitly say that the reason he doesn't stick himself in human form permanently later is because he wants to fight, either, so him choosing to stay a hawk because he's happier with his little camp out in the woods with Ax maxes a lot of sense.
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# ? Jun 16, 2020 05:00 |
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feetnotes posted:You'd think they could go seagull, fly down, then back to human before morphing dolphin. I guess they get better at the logistics later! The books say morphing and demorphing is at least somewhat physically strenuous, so while that's probably a better plan it isn't necessarily easy in itself.
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# ? Jun 16, 2020 05:15 |
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feetnotes posted:You'd think they could go seagull, fly down, then back to human before morphing dolphin. I guess they get better at the logistics later! ACAB, though. Also the books don't mention it much, but don't forget Cassie's background and that these books took place in the US.
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# ? Jun 16, 2020 11:44 |
Well your avatar checks out
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# ? Jun 16, 2020 11:54 |
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feetnotes posted:Also, Cassie was fine getting her hands dirty when she went all pro ice on that Cop-Controller in the first book. This is one of the better counters to that argument, but its weak point is that the cop wasn't a known high-ranking Yeerk and was only indirectly a problem for the rest of the team; he was a threat to Cassie specifically. If someone believes Cassie is a preachy coward, her killing this Controller, in the heat of the fight at the Yeerk pool where nobody would know for sure that she did it or how, doesn't necessarily convince them otherwise.
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disaster pastor posted:This is one of the better counters to that argument, but its weak point is that the cop wasn't a known high-ranking Yeerk and was only indirectly a problem for the rest of the team; he was a threat to Cassie specifically. If someone believes Cassie is a preachy coward, her killing this Controller, in the heat of the fight at the Yeerk pool where nobody would know for sure that she did it or how, doesn't necessarily convince them otherwise. To me, I sort of take Cassie's hesitation in this book at face value; She's risking all their lives on a dream they had and a conversation with a whale, and she's scared she's going to get them killed for no reason, and she doesn't want the responsibility of choosing. She asks Jake earlier in the book to decide if they should go on the mission, and admits that the reason she's asking him is "And then if it's a disaster, it will all be on your head," I said. "You'll be the one who feels bad. You'll be the one to blame". So I guess I don't know whether I agree with you or not? I think I maybe have a more charitable view of "she wants to keep her hands clean" than the people who have the theory a saying, "She doesn't want to be stuck with the responsibility or guilt when things go wrong", which is maybe more fear than hypocracy?
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