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Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
I have a 5Div and my most commonly used lens on it is the 24-70 F/4L. It's a great lens honestly, I can't say I've ever been disappointed with the missing stop. The lens stabilisation is easily good enough for half-second handheld shooting.

Just after I bought it, I went to a temple in the north to try it out. Handheld, f/22, ISO 100, 0.5s.


IMG_2487.jpg by Iain Compton, on Flickr

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sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016





holy moly, used 5d2 bodies are $500? I should really pick one up... I really want to run magic lantern but I only got the OG 5D which is good but not new enough

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Somewhat Heroic posted:

Hi Canon thread - looking for a bit of lens advice. I have been watching the mirrorless stuff and I have been a bit gun-shy on making a choice so instead of waiting longer I decided to take the original suggestion offered forever ago which is buy a full frame body used for cheap. I am coming from a Rebel T5i and picked up a nice, low shutter count (~4400) 5D Mk II for $500. I have just the 50mm 1.8 that fits and I want to add a 24-70. This is purely for hobby shooting. I will mainly be doing portraits, landscape, and pictures of cars.

There was a local used lens that was a Tamron 24-70 F2.8 that was $500 I should have jumped on right away but I was slow to react and missed out on it. There are some decent priced Canon 24-70 F4 L lenses that are pretty close in price available now. My question is will I be bummed out with the F4 lens compared to a 2.8? I know with the lower ISO and "bad" auto-focus of the Mark II the 2.8 would tend to be better for capturing a quicker focus, should I hold out and wait for something else like the Tamron 2,8 to pop up? Or is there a place online that I should be looking for a used/refurb unit that is around the $600 mark.

Ultimately I see this as my next step into taking photography a bit more seriously and this will be a step towards an eventual high end investment into a mirrorless system. I figure at what I am paying for on the used stuff it won't lose much value at all over the next while and if buying the better lens makes more sense now then I will make the investment.

Will f/4 disappoint? Yes and no. Both the f/4 L zooms are good, and for depth of field, basically identical to the 2.8 on the T5i. So, you won't get the improved thin focus plane for portraits, but it will be no worse than your old camera. Don't overthink too much. An excellent 4 is still better than an ok 2.8.

Somewhat Heroic
Oct 11, 2007

(Insert Mad Max related text)



Helen Highwater posted:

I have a 5Div and my most commonly used lens on it is the 24-70 F/4L. It's a great lens honestly, I can't say I've ever been disappointed with the missing stop. The lens stabilisation is easily good enough for half-second handheld shooting.

Just after I bought it, I went to a temple in the north to try it out. Handheld, f/22, ISO 100, 0.5s.


IMG_2487.jpg by Iain Compton, on Flickr
That is a weird looking place but cool photo. Thanks for the advice. I am probably overthinking it by too much.

el dorito posted:

holy moly, used 5d2 bodies are $500? I should really pick one up... I really want to run magic lantern but I only got the OG 5D which is good but not new enough
Yeah! There were even a few I could choose from. I bought the first one I went and looked at. There was a 5d 3 for $650 with an 80K shutter count that the person was "holding" for someone but would let me know if it fell through. I would have definitely bought it. Most of those are otherwise going for ~1000-1100 or more.

torgeaux posted:

Will f/4 disappoint? Yes and no. Both the f/4 L zooms are good, and for depth of field, basically identical to the 2.8 on the T5i. So, you won't get the improved thin focus plane for portraits, but it will be no worse than your old camera. Don't overthink too much. An excellent 4 is still better than an ok 2.8.

Thanks for the straight talk - I need to be reminded this is just a hobby thing and I shouldn't overthink it. There is a Canon F4L 24-70 with all the original box/packaging someone has listed for $500. I am going to go grab it after work and have a bunch of fun.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

Somewhat Heroic posted:

That is a weird looking place but cool photo. Thanks for the advice. I am probably overthinking it by too much.
It's the weirdest possible place. There are more pictures if you click through on my photo above.

quote:

Ubosot: The principal building, the ubosot is an all-white building with fragments of mirrored glass embedded in the building's exterior. The ubosot embodies design elements from classic Thai architecture such as the three-tiered roof and abundant use of Naga serpents. "Inside the temple, the decor swiftly moves from pristine white to fiery and bewildering. Murals depict swirling orange flames and demon faces, interspersed with Western idols such as Michael Jackson, Neo from The Matrix, Freddy Krueger, and a T-800 series Terminator. Images of nuclear warfare, terrorist attacks such as the World Trade Center attack, and oil pumps hammer home the destructive impact that humans have had on earth. The presence of Harry Potter, Superman, and Hello Kitty confuses the message somewhat, but the overall moral is clear: people are wicked."

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"
I haven’t done photography since high school, but I picked up an old PowerShot G2, I’m having fun with it.

Djimi
Jan 23, 2004

I like digital data
I had the Sigma 150-600mm 5-6.3 Sports for about two years, that I bought for doing more outdoor wildlife photography, and didn't get to use it as much as I wanted, and it was stolen at the beginning of the year out of my car. Pretty much in perfect condition. Luckily I had all my other gear with me, as I was taking photos of a band that night.

This week I finally got my insurance claim settled and now I can buy it again, or another lens. I am wondering if there's anything else that has come on the market in the last few years that I should be looking at?

My camera is 5D MkIV and my other longest lens is my Canon 70-200 f/2.8 USM II. I was wondering if anyone here had an opinion on the Sigma 60-600mm lens. They are almost the same price. I read a couple reviews on it, but wondering what any goons think. Also versus a Tamron? I don't really care about weight. It'll be on a monopod or tripod when I use it, or on special outings perhaps handheld.

:tipshat:

jarlywarly
Aug 31, 2018

Djimi posted:

I had the Sigma 150-600mm 5-6.3 Sports for about two years, that I bought for doing more outdoor wildlife photography, and didn't get to use it as much as I wanted, and it was stolen at the beginning of the year out of my car. Pretty much in perfect condition. Luckily I had all my other gear with me, as I was taking photos of a band that night.

This week I finally got my insurance claim settled and now I can buy it again, or another lens. I am wondering if there's anything else that has come on the market in the last few years that I should be looking at?

My camera is 5D MkIV and my other longest lens is my Canon 70-200 f/2.8 USM II. I was wondering if anyone here had an opinion on the Sigma 60-600mm lens. They are almost the same price. I read a couple reviews on it, but wondering what any goons think. Also versus a Tamron? I don't really care about weight. It'll be on a monopod or tripod when I use it, or on special outings perhaps handheld.

:tipshat:

The 60-600 is a little lighter and smaller than the 150-600 Sport I think it's a good choice for budget tele for wildlife.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

It's all a matter of perspective...
Grimey Drawer
I just looked up a couple of reviews and the 60-600 looks surprisingly good for the range. I end up using the wide end of my 150-600 Tamron a lot and there are times I wish I had something a little wider.

I like my Tamron 150-600 G2. It's a pretty good option if you want something a little cheaper, lighter, and don't mind stopping down to f/7.1 or 8. Also I don't know how the weather sealing compares to the Sigma Sports

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Djimi posted:

I had the Sigma 150-600mm 5-6.3 Sports for about two years, that I bought for doing more outdoor wildlife photography, and didn't get to use it as much as I wanted, and it was stolen at the beginning of the year out of my car. Pretty much in perfect condition. Luckily I had all my other gear with me, as I was taking photos of a band that night.

This week I finally got my insurance claim settled and now I can buy it again, or another lens. I am wondering if there's anything else that has come on the market in the last few years that I should be looking at?

My camera is 5D MkIV and my other longest lens is my Canon 70-200 f/2.8 USM II. I was wondering if anyone here had an opinion on the Sigma 60-600mm lens. They are almost the same price. I read a couple reviews on it, but wondering what any goons think. Also versus a Tamron? I don't really care about weight. It'll be on a monopod or tripod when I use it, or on special outings perhaps handheld.

:tipshat:

Look at the sigma 120-300 f/2.8. Generation 2 is fantastic, and generation 3 is even better. This only applies if your statement about not caring about weight is true.

Djimi
Jan 23, 2004

I like digital data

jarlywarly posted:

The 60-600 is a little lighter and smaller than the 150-600 Sport I think it's a good choice for budget tele for wildlife.
The thing I don't understand about this 60-600mm pricing, it makes me think the build quality isn't going to be as good as the Sports one I had. I suppose it's a little less crisp all around, but the reach makes it a couple hundred more $$.

BetterLekNextTime posted:

I like my Tamron 150-600 G2. It's a pretty good option if you want something a little cheaper, lighter, and don't mind stopping down to f/7.1 or 8. Also I don't know how the weather sealing compares to the Sigma Sports
Thanks - I think I'm intrigued about having the ability to zoom out to a 'normal' focal length, but the reviews are not very gracious, but not having to change a lens for an interesting shot now and again seems like a smart idea. I will probably end up using it more because of that.

torgeaux posted:

Look at the sigma 120-300 f/2.8. Generation 2 is fantastic, and generation 3 is even better. This only applies if your statement about not caring about weight is true.
I really want >400mm on my FF camera. I don't think 300mm is going to cut it, and I don't want to use a converter. Of course anything f/2.8 across the board would be fantastic and I'd like it -- can I crop photos to approximate a 600mm shot and it'll still be a good photo - is it that sharp? It is true I don't care about weight. Extra grand might be a bit much. Do you have a gen2 or gen3 yourself? I think if I had a crop sensor camera, it may be a choice for me. Decisions, decisions....

This is pretty good review and one that I wouldn't have expected from PC Mag. Thank you for your answers everyone.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Djimi posted:

The thing I don't understand about this 60-600mm pricing, it makes me think the build quality isn't going to be as good as the Sports one I had. I suppose it's a little less crisp all around, but the reach makes it a couple hundred more $$.

Thanks - I think I'm intrigued about having the ability to zoom out to a 'normal' focal length, but the reviews are not very gracious, but not having to change a lens for an interesting shot now and again seems like a smart idea. I will probably end up using it more because of that.

I really want >400mm on my FF camera. I don't think 300mm is going to cut it, and I don't want to use a converter. Of course anything f/2.8 across the board would be fantastic and I'd like it -- can I crop photos to approximate a 600mm shot and it'll still be a good photo - is it that sharp? It is true I don't care about weight. Extra grand might be a bit much. Do you have a gen2 or gen3 yourself? I think if I had a crop sensor camera, it may be a choice for me. Decisions, decisions....

This is pretty good review and one that I wouldn't have expected from PC Mag. Thank you for your answers everyone.

I had the gen2 120-300 and it was fantastic. Sharp as hell. The real benefit of gen3 was the autofocus. It was a freaking beast, though. Great portrait lens, too. I used it with my 5D3. But, still only 300 mm, and I don't think I ever tried it with a tele.

edit: I used it for some birding with my canon gen 1 2x teleconverter. It was ok once stopped down, but slow on focus. I wanted to try the sigma 2x or 1.4, but never did before I left canon.

torgeaux fucked around with this message at 03:52 on May 23, 2020

jarlywarly
Aug 31, 2018

Djimi posted:

The thing I don't understand about this 60-600mm pricing, it makes me think the build quality isn't going to be as good as the Sports one I had. I suppose it's a little less crisp all around, but the reach makes it a couple hundred more $$.

Thanks - I think I'm intrigued about having the ability to zoom out to a 'normal' focal length, but the reviews are not very gracious, but not having to change a lens for an interesting shot now and again seems like a smart idea. I will probably end up using it more because of that.

I really want >400mm on my FF camera. I don't think 300mm is going to cut it, and I don't want to use a converter. Of course anything f/2.8 across the board would be fantastic and I'd like it -- can I crop photos to approximate a 600mm shot and it'll still be a good photo - is it that sharp? It is true I don't care about weight. Extra grand might be a bit much. Do you have a gen2 or gen3 yourself? I think if I had a crop sensor camera, it may be a choice for me. Decisions, decisions....

This is pretty good review and one that I wouldn't have expected from PC Mag. Thank you for your answers everyone.

You are right to not want 300 on FF I have 400 on crop and have reach issues.

Everyone crops in on their wild bird photos btw, unless they get really lucky.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

I LOVE Musk and his pro-first-amendment ways. X is the future.
No one suggesting the 100-400 II? Not specifically suggesting it, but all the info Ive seen says its a beast.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

It's all a matter of perspective...
Grimey Drawer

ilkhan posted:

No one suggesting the 100-400 II? Not specifically suggesting it, but all the info Ive seen says its a beast.

I don't have this to personally recommend but I'd imagine this would be the best option if you are ok with "only" 400mm.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
Sell a kidney and get a used 500 or 600 f/4. It'll be love at first sight. Or sell the Canon gear and get the Nikon PF 500m f/5.6

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

With the quality of the offerings at 600mm from Sigma and Tamron, I'm not sure why anyone would buy the 100-400ii.

I completely agree it's an exceptional lens, but when you get that long there's no such thing as enough focal distance and if you can get 600mm for a price in the same ballpark, it makes no sense not to.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

It's all a matter of perspective...
Grimey Drawer

xzzy posted:

With the quality of the offerings at 600mm from Sigma and Tamron, I'm not sure why anyone would buy the 100-400ii.

I completely agree it's an exceptional lens, but when you get that long there's no such thing as enough focal distance and if you can get 600mm for a price in the same ballpark, it makes no sense not to.

I'd imagine it's because it's lighter, better wide open, better sealing, and the AF performance is probably better. There might be someone out there for whom the 100mm vs 150mm is critical too... Especially for travel when you don't want a separate suitcase for your 600mm it would be the way to go. If I ever get to Africa that's what I'd want to bring on safari.

Infinite Karma
Oct 23, 2004
Good as dead





BetterLekNextTime posted:

I'd imagine it's because it's lighter, better wide open, better sealing, and the AF performance is probably better. There might be someone out there for whom the 100mm vs 150mm is critical too... Especially for travel when you don't want a separate suitcase for your 600mm it would be the way to go. If I ever get to Africa that's what I'd want to bring on safari.
There could be something to be said for a 300mm f/4 prime and a telextender for wildlife without spending $10k on a lens and an entire suitcase. At least when I've tried to shoot wildlife, I never have enough reach, and I keep my zoom pinned on the long end.

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
Yeah, when I was using a sigma 150-600 on my 7D I was usually right at the long end.

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

xzzy posted:

With the quality of the offerings at 600mm from Sigma and Tamron, I'm not sure why anyone would buy the 100-400ii.

I haul my 150-600mm Sigma up 3000ft+ of elevation hikes routinely and would love to trade it for the 100-400mm II. From what I've seen, the II is sharp enough that the extra cropping you need makes minimal difference in what you end up with. Also, I really miss being able to carry my gear in a carry on.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

BeastOfExmoor posted:

I haul my 150-600mm Sigma up 3000ft+ of elevation hikes routinely and would love to trade it for the 100-400mm II. From what I've seen, the II is sharp enough that the extra cropping you need makes minimal difference in what you end up with. Also, I really miss being able to carry my gear in a carry on.

I carry all mine in carryon but to be fair when I do there's not room for much of anything else.



I also backpack with all of it because I am extremely stupid/stubborn and have FOMO. I just KNOW that epic bighorn shot is gonna show up the one time I don't bring the big lens with me.

I get the weight advantage of the smaller lens, I just value focal length wayyyy more.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

xzzy posted:

With the quality of the offerings at 600mm from Sigma and Tamron, I'm not sure why anyone would buy the 100-400ii.


Because it's as good as it's made out to be. It has become my goto lens for anything over 100mm - it absolutely is faster focusing and sharper than the alternatives. Plus if you are lugging around a backpack it's a good one to have as it is a versatile piece of glass. I much prefer it to even my 70-200 2.8.

The extra reach is the only benefit of the alternatives. If you arent sitting at 600 all the time then I honestly wouldnt consider a Sigma or Tameron.

Djimi
Jan 23, 2004

I like digital data

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

The extra reach is the only benefit of the alternatives. If you arent sitting at 600 all the time then I honestly wouldnt consider a Sigma or Tamron.
I don't know if you shoot FF or not - do you? I think anything Canon is usually the best option (and w/ extra $$). I only have two non Canon lenses (well actually just one right now until I buy possibly a replacement Sigma. The other is the Sigma 35mm f/1.4 Art which is very nice).
I am just wondering if 400mm is going to be enough reach for me. That extra 200mm could be very nice in the field.

Also thank you all for chiming in on the conversation, it's be quite educational for my upcoming decision. I really want to pull the trigger today, but it's a big purchase and I want to make sure I've weighed all the pros and cons. I am not going to rent one though, I live too far away from rental outlets for that ever to be a worthwhile option.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

I LOVE Musk and his pro-first-amendment ways. X is the future.
If you get the 100-400 get the 1.4x too (or plan on it in the future). Solves the reach problem without much extra weight, and they combo together very well.

Djimi
Jan 23, 2004

I like digital data

ilkhan posted:

If you get the 100-400 get the 1.4x too (or plan on it in the future). Solves the reach problem without much extra weight, and they combo together very well.
Is it the same converter that goes with the 70-200mm L USM II? I have that already, but I never use it.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

I LOVE Musk and his pro-first-amendment ways. X is the future.

Djimi posted:

Is it the same converter that goes with the 70-200mm L USM II? I have that already, but I never use it.
Yeah, the 1.4x TC would be the same one. More reach, one stop slower.

Djimi
Jan 23, 2004

I like digital data

ilkhan posted:

Yeah, the 1.4x TC would be the same one. More reach, one stop slower.
Hm... that's intriguing. More to ponder....

SMERSH Mouth
Jun 25, 2005

Yeah not thinking super hard about it and not deep diving reviews of the Sigma and Tamron, 600mm zooms, I thought they were the better option than the 100-400 for a long time but with a 1.4x converter you’re getting almost the same reach, and it’s not like you’re going to want to use the 3rd-parties wide open; f/8 is where you’ll be in any case, so the aperture hit from the TC is not too significant, and you get a hell of a lens to use without the TC for less distant subjects, and closer focus.

Of course now I’m on the verge of selling all my remaining canon gear since I fell into a great deal on a D600, and Nikon has the 200-500, which is cheaper than the 100-400L and gets *the reach I crave* with supposedly better performance and sharpness at the long end than the Sigma or Tamron.

jarlywarly
Aug 31, 2018

SMERSH Mouth posted:

Yeah not thinking super hard about it and not deep diving reviews of the Sigma and Tamron, 600mm zooms, I thought they were the better option than the 100-400 for a long time but with a 1.4x converter you’re getting almost the same reach, and it’s not like you’re going to want to use the 3rd-parties wide open; f/8 is where you’ll be in any case, so the aperture hit from the TC is not too significant, and you get a hell of a lens to use without the TC for less distant subjects, and closer focus.

Of course now I’m on the verge of selling all my remaining canon gear since I fell into a great deal on a D600, and Nikon has the 200-500, which is cheaper than the 100-400L and gets *the reach I crave* with supposedly better performance and sharpness at the long end than the Sigma or Tamron.
I have the 100-400 II L and the 1.4 III you get limited to f/8 and slower AF performance.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Djimi posted:

I don't know if you shoot FF or not - do you? I think anything Canon is usually the best option (and w/ extra $$). I only have two non Canon lenses (well actually just one right now until I buy possibly a replacement Sigma.

I got a bunch of cameras so I go APS-C, APS-H or FF. Given you are FF I can see why would be more interested in reach - If I need more I just switch to a 7D II or more recently a M6 II.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

I LOVE Musk and his pro-first-amendment ways. X is the future.

jarlywarly posted:

I have the 100-400 II L and the 1.4 III you get limited to f/8 and slower AF performance.
Nice benefit of the mirrorless is getting af on narrow apertures.

Djimi
Jan 23, 2004

I like digital data
I went for the Sigma 60-600mm just now. It won't be shipping for awhile it appears. Time to start doing curls.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Djimi posted:

I went for the Sigma 60-600mm just now. It won't be shipping for awhile it appears. Time to start doing curls.

Don't neglect planks, gotta get that core in top form.

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011

Gonna feel guilty for a few weeks for hurting my bank account

Also amazon says the t8i/850D releases tomorrow

jarlywarly
Aug 31, 2018

brand engager posted:

Gonna feel guilty for a few weeks for hurting my bank account

Also amazon says the t8i/850D releases tomorrow

Nice what you gonna photo?

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011

Probably just the cats

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Goddamn, f8 @ 700mm??

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/canons-mirrorless-megazooms-including-canon-rf-120-700mm

It's just a patent filing but I would be dumping my wallet out for one of those, even with the aperture limitations.

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011

Self-owned by taking the focus screen out of my t2i to try reseating it, the focus points have never lined up right where the red light is supposed to shine on them. Put it back in the first time and there was some hair and dust on it, and even after cleaning it with waterµfiber cloth it still had some tiny dust specks. Those things are just impossible to clean.

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charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003

Unless the EOS R5 is VERY competitively priced, I think I am going to pick up an EOS R and the RF 24-105/f4 as my first big boy camera upgrade from the 80D. If I am satisfied with f2.8 lenses on an APS-C body, f4 on a full frame should be drat near identical, right (plus better dynamic range and low light performance compared to the 80D sensor)? Or should I just get a Tamron EF 24-70/f2.8 in addition to my 70-200/f2.8? Sorta wanted a 'one lens solution' for outdoorsy stuff (not wildlife) so I don't have to lug a ton of glass around but I dunno.

charliebravo77 fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jun 16, 2020

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