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Communist Thoughts posted:Is menalaus the guy who gets cuckolded by Paris? Definite first pick The Troy film is worth watching just for the scene where Brendan Gleeson (Menelaus) beats the poo poo out of Orlando Bloom (Paris).
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Plucky Brit posted:The Troy film is worth watching just for the scene where Brendan Gleeson (Menelaus) beats the poo poo out of Orlando Bloom (Paris). That movie was such a shame. A lot of good actors giving good performances, but the script was complete rear end. You don't take the gods out of the Iliad, you dunces. (fake edit: lol David Benioff wrote it, what a surprise!) Flipswitch posted:Liu Biao is mine, fucker just constantly badgering me with Co-Operating with him or Yuan Shou just demanding to be his vassal or going to war with me. Prick. I usually don't have too many problems when I recruit him, as long as I have a high-up position to give him. If there's one that's occupied by someone who's not unique and really good, I just give them the heave-ho and put in Lu Bu. Cold-blooded, but whatever it takes to make Mr. Crazypants happy. Majorian fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Jun 13, 2020 09:07
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I ended up shoving him into an open positon and giving him the Blood Dragon title, not sure that was the best for him but it worked a charm and now he's happy murderman.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEN2pLFkRXY I like how varied the equipment is between units. My biggest gripe with 3K is the lack of visual diversity between armies. e. Some keen eyes on the TW forums spotted the two Amazon factions coming the DLC: 
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Jun 13, 2020 10:12
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We should be getting sorta close to the next 3K DLC, right? I assume post-Troy, most probably.
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Jun 13, 2020 10:27
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We need an amazonomachia dlc Basically the ancient Greek version of an avengers movie
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Jun 13, 2020 11:31
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ninjahedgehog posted:gently caress this goddamn guy. Now I see why Cao Cao hated his guts so much. In the Three Kingdoms series his actor is fantastic at making him seem just as annoyingly arrogantly assholish as you could ever imagine. It's perfect.
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Jun 13, 2020 14:31
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Rynoto posted:In the Three Kingdoms series his actor is fantastic at making him seem just as annoyingly arrogantly assholish as you could ever imagine. It's perfect. The show is really good. It's like Game of Thrones but fewer dragons and better ending. Sadly the bad guys win.
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Jun 13, 2020 14:43
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The show is really good. It's like Game of Thrones but fewer dragons and better ending. Sadly the bad guys win. But Liu Bei loses?
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Jun 13, 2020 14:44
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Rynoto posted:In the Three Kingdoms series his actor is fantastic at making him seem just as annoyingly arrogantly assholish as you could ever imagine. It's perfect. The best thing is, it's not like he's putting on any airs. He genuinely just exerts this aura of "Well yes, I do deserve to have all of this power and status. I'm a person of great merit" while always stumbling and not doing poo poo.
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Jun 13, 2020 15:47
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Watching him get his in the TV series was supremely satisfying. Great casting and acting.
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Jun 13, 2020 16:11
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:The best thing is, it's not like he's putting on any airs. He genuinely just exerts this aura of "Well yes, I do deserve to have all of this power and status. I'm a person of great merit" while always stumbling and not doing poo poo.
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Jun 13, 2020 16:49
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Rynoto posted:In the Three Kingdoms series his actor is fantastic at making him seem just as annoyingly arrogantly assholish as you could ever imagine. It's perfect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVrIV9S6Jro&t=278s Simply amazing.
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Plucky Brit posted:The Troy film is worth watching just for the scene where Brendan Gleeson (Menelaus) beats the poo poo out of Orlando Bloom (Paris). I am a huge Menelaus fan and it's one of my favourite bits in the Iliad ("Zeus, grant me vengeance against this man who wronged me while he ate my salt and slept beneath my roof!"). You can imagine my dismay as the movie makes him into a bit of a dick, my enjoyment of him thrashing the worthless Paris, and finally my horror as Hector loving kills him. I'm not spoilering it, it's not bloody true anyway. Majorian posted:That movie was such a shame. A lot of good actors giving good performances, but the script was complete rear end. You don't take the gods out of the Iliad, you dunces. I agree a bad wasted opportunity. So much of the production values were good. Holy poo poo I did not know that about the writing. God drat. Lightning does strike twice! And so does David Benioff, the hack.
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Brian Cox and Brendan Gleeson were fantastic hams in the Troy movie even if they weren't really anything like Agamemnon and Menelaus were supposed to act. They were both cruel, yes, but with an intended purpose as the harbingers of Zeus's wrath. I love Agamemnon's depiction in the Oresteia because of how it explains his reasoning for his deeds during the Trojan War and why he had to die for his actions. A war of vengeance turns to justice before the gods finally convene to hold court and find a way to stop avenging bloodshed with further bloodshed. Agamemnon was what he needed to be for Zeus, and he had to pay the price for his murders, even as justified as they were at the moment.
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Blooming Brilliant posted:Sun Ce's another belligerent warmonger, although he'll just go all-out attack you. If he ever declares war on me I make sure to wipe him out, otherwise he will come back for rounds two/three/etc. In the Liu Bei campaign I just finished this dude was the bane of my existence. Every single time I fought him he'd rack up at least 400 kills on me, and he was also basically invincible in duels when Blood Fury kicked in. The fact that we was unbreakable with the cherry on top of this poo poo sundae. Unrelated, I just started a Liu Chong campaign in 190 and Ma Chao showed up in the recruitment pool something like ten turns in. In Wu Kingdaissance he comes with a badass lance and horse that puts him in the top-tier Vanguards alongside Lu Bu, Zhang Fei and Sun Ce, so I've never slammed that recruit-adopt-make heir buttons so hard in my life. 
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ninjahedgehog posted:Unrelated, I just started a Liu Chong campaign in 190 and Ma Chao showed up in the recruitment pool something like ten turns in. In Wu Kingdaissance he comes with a badass lance and horse that puts him in the top-tier Vanguards alongside Lu Bu, Zhang Fei and Sun Ce, so I've never slammed that recruit-adopt-make heir buttons so hard in my life. Lucky you! I really love Liu Chong starting at 182 (who would've thought a crossbow-favoring faction could be so fun?), but I haven't tried him at 190. Let me know how it goes! Arcsquad12 posted:Brian Cox and Brendan Gleeson were fantastic hams in the Troy movie even if they weren't really anything like Agamemnon and Menelaus were supposed to act. They were both cruel, yes, but with an intended purpose as the harbingers of Zeus's wrath. I love Agamemnon's depiction in the Oresteia because of how it explains his reasoning for his deeds during the Trojan War and why he had to die for his actions. A war of vengeance turns to justice before the gods finally convene to hold court and find a way to stop avenging bloodshed with further bloodshed. Agamemnon was what he needed to be for Zeus, and he had to pay the price for his murders, even as justified as they were at the moment. Boy oh boy, sacrifice one daughter to get favorable winds, and you never hear the end of it, am I right? Majorian fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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Majorian posted:
Certainly doesn't do you any favors with the missus when you come home with a doomsday prophet as a concubine.
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Liu Chong is the faction to play when you just want to spend 10 minutes at the start of every battle setting up perfect crossbow kill-zones and then basically letting the fight play itself. Also it is your duty, once your economy gets going, to ensure every unit in your army has a crossbow. It's a pity there aren't generic crossbow items in the game to complement Liu Chong's. Modders should get on that.
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Hunt11 posted:But Liu Bei loses? Historical Liu Bei may or may not have been an rear end in a top hat traitor but you can't deny his dogged tenacity. Dude never let a setback keep him down. Does anyone like Sima Yan?
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The Doomhammer posted:Liu Chong is the faction to play when you just want to spend 10 minutes at the start of every battle setting up perfect crossbow kill-zones and then basically letting the fight play itself. How does that compare to kong rong
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Mantis42 posted:Historical Liu Bei may or may not have been an rear end in a top hat traitor but you can't deny his dogged tenacity. Dude never let a setback keep him down. Does anyone like Sima Yan? The Sima clan is carried on the shoulders of how amazing Sima Yi was. They burn through that goodwill pretty fast, but goddamn was Sima Yi a real g.
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:How does that compare to kong rong Kong Rong has the best crossbows, Liu Chong has the MOST crossbows plus ways to further buff them and artillery (because trebuchets needed to be stronger.) Chen Royal Guards might not be the best frontline infantry, but they do the job... not that much will ever reach your frontline to begin with.
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Jun 14, 2020 08:50
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It's criminal that Pang De doesn't have a unique portrait. That guy slaps.
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Jun 14, 2020 12:53
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Flipswitch posted:It's criminal that Pang De doesn't have a unique portrait. That guy slaps. He should. So should Zhang He. And Cao Ren and Cao Pi.
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Jun 14, 2020 13:37
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My greatest gripe about Total War games is that they always feel better when everything is overpowered at launch, and the progressive nerfs leave the game feeling watered down and less fun.
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super-redguy posted:The Sima clan is carried on the shoulders of how amazing Sima Yi was. They burn through that goodwill pretty fast, but goddamn was Sima Yi a real g. Irl Sima Yi seems, like, way more competent and cunning than Zhuge Liang. Kind of funny the latter got the outsized reputation
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Jun 14, 2020 20:58
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Zhuge Liang hitched his wagon to a bad horse and made the most of it. Then his successor ran shu into the ground
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Jun 14, 2020 22:14
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Sima Yi went for the long con for personal/familial power, whereas Zhuge Liang tried to win on hard mode.
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:Zhuge Liang hitched his wagon to a bad horse and made the most of it. Then his successor ran shu into the ground
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McTimmy posted:He should. Cao Pi not having a unique portrait is odd given he basically has an achievement of his own.
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Jun 14, 2020 23:46
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Had a great duel moment last night in my Liu Bei campaign, Lu Bu, Lu Ji and Diaochan facing off vs He Yi, He Man and some other dude and Lu Ji took He Yi's head clean off in a duel and screamed at him to "get back up, you coward" whilst their army started to rout, it was loving awesome to play.
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Lance of Llanwyln posted:It's worth noting Jiang Wei was never as high in the hierarchy as Zhuge Liang was. After Zhuge Liang's death, Jiang Wan(who had basically been in charge of things whenever Zhuge Liang was out on campaign) took over and launched a single campaign east at Shang Yong, but was defeated. His health was going to poo poo, so he stepped down in 244 and was dead two years later, and Fei Yi was put in charge. Fei Yi was not really keen on Jiang Wei and kept him on a bit of a short leash. He was more or less in charge until 253, when he was murdered by a dude who had defected from Wei on one of Jiang Wei's campaigns. After that, Shu's well of skilled civil officials seems to have run dry and Jiang Wei was let off his leash while Liu Shan hosed everything up internally(Jiang Wei either couldn't do anything about it or didn't care). Yeah, Fei Yi's death is where it all started to go downhill.
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Fuligin posted:Irl Sima Yi seems, like, way more competent and cunning than Zhuge Liang. Kind of funny the latter got the outsized reputation shu got hyped up due to politics at the time of writing it, plus lots of folk tales emphasising its Confucian virtues (mainly being poo poo and dumb because Confucius was a dickwad, this take is copyright daoist gang) (yes i know zhuge liang was a daoist shhh) e: zhuge liang was a great admin kind of guy but was really lackluster on the military side. failing your campaigns repeatedly due to not being able to get your logistical system off the ground is... dire Tiler Kiwi fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jun 15, 2020 |
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Jun 15, 2020 16:16
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 Now the game breaks in my favor!
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I'd say I thought they'd fixed that bug, but every Alliance war I end up in seems to still break in new and exciting ways too so...
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Flipswitch posted:It's criminal that Pang De doesn't have a unique portrait. That guy slaps. I THINK he has a unique one with the "Make Them Unique" mod, but that thing has been causing a lot of crashes for me lately, which makes me sad. It's otherwise a good mod. It's kind of bananas that, like, Diaochan and "Little Dong" Min and Lady Wu don't have unique portraits in vanilla. Majorian fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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Jun 16, 2020 07:57
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They gave Diaochan and (i think?) Lady Wu portraits with the World Betrayed pack. But yes they could always use more, especially for the children of the first generation leaders e: also now that they finally squashed the bugs in 8Princes it's pretty fun, basically 3K deathmatch ffa mode
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PD doesn't have one yet in MTU but iirc the guy is working on it alongside CA to avoid clashes. Mtu is great.
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Just had Yuan Shao vote against every single person that wanted to join our coalition for like 50 turns before suddenly turning around and going "you know who I really want to join our coalition? Gongsun Zan, who I spent 2/3 of this game fighting."
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