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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Yeah, but turns out the Dark One isn't really interested in giving his Chosen an actual leg up in the fight. And Drakghar can fly. It's basically only trollocs that have a major limitation in their movement.
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Do darkhounds and grey men have some way to fast travel?
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Jun 17, 2020 15:25
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I figured they would have tried to cleanse the ways. Guess when you can bend time and space it don’t matter too much. Maybe that should have been their only way to fast travel instead of gateways.
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Jun 17, 2020 16:09
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bloom posted:Do darkhounds and grey men have some way to fast travel? Grey men are still people, so they can Travel. Darkhounds can't.
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bloom posted:Do darkhounds and grey men have some way to fast travel? I don't think so, since they both seem to have had a problem getting through doors, although darkhounds can outrun a horse and seemingly never tire.
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Jun 17, 2020 16:18
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Darkhounds can come back together as liquid like the T-1000 so maybe they can zoom around in liquid form like Alex Mack!
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Jun 17, 2020 16:20
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Darkhounds are faster than horses and, if I recall correctly, tireless or nearly so. They can get where they're needed quickly enough.
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Jun 17, 2020 16:37
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Darkhounds and the Draghakar are easily the two nastiest varieties of shadowspawn for me. Trollocs are nasty clearly, Myrddraal while obv imposing are still mostly people. The Grey Men are only dangerous because they kinda hide from your senses, but those two are not the ones I'd want to get caught by. Crazy killing spit, and the ability to suck your soul out? Nah pass vvv Aww poo poo forgot about them since they're so rare, but yes they are also horrific. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jun 17, 2020 |
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Jun 17, 2020 16:50
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I’d be way more scared of an invincible gholam that had a hard on for you.
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Jun 17, 2020 17:47
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Zore posted:I still think the funniest arbitrary rule about Gateways is that they just instantly kill any shadowspawn who go through them. Its just so blatantly an 'oh gently caress I don't want to deal with Forsaken travelling armies of Trollocs everywhere' patch. I imagine it's an intentional design choice, because the worst enemies of the Chosen(aside from Lews Therin) were always the other Chosen. I imagine that "Demandred cannot trivially flood my research lab with Trollocs" was something Aginor considered to be a good thing.
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Jun 17, 2020 20:17
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that's consistently one of my favorite aspects of the series. it turns out a literal loving league of villains, even under the command of a head honcho, can not and will not work together in a meaningful way because to the surprise of no one a bunch of people willing to follow Basically Satan aren't fundamentally well-adjusted people.
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Jun 17, 2020 20:22
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And all of that because Basically Satan values being a selfish dickhead over things like intelligence and competence.
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Jun 17, 2020 20:26
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*checks notes* okay, gently caress, it looks like the one person left after that 20-person brawl is only good at stabbing people and isn't actually that competent at anything that isn't that. what next.
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Jun 17, 2020 20:29
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Wait, no, it turns out a couple of them were really good at...not doing anything useful and just hiding? gently caress!
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Jun 17, 2020 20:32
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bloom posted:Do darkhounds and grey men have some way to fast travel? On rereads I always thought the idea of dark hounds running from the blight to Illian in TDR to be pretty silly.
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Jun 17, 2020 20:46
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rndmnmbr posted:And all of that because Basically Satan values being a selfish dickhead over things like intelligence and competence. I picked up more that he feeds on treachery than victory. He's completely deceptive to everyone. The only reason Ishmael is the favorite is he guessed the DO's motives and took part in drilling the hole in the pattern in the first place.
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Jun 17, 2020 21:02
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Basileus777 posted:On rereads I always thought the idea of dark hounds running from the blight to Illian in TDR to be pretty silly. One of the brown sisters documents that there are packs of them running around outside of the blight. I think there were six packs that basically show up to take out high priority individuals when a grey man won't do.
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Jun 17, 2020 21:03
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UltraRed posted:The only reason Ishmael is the favorite is he guessed the DO's motives and took part in drilling the hole in the pattern in the first place. Ishamael is the favorite because he's a nihilistic gently caress who wants to permanently destroy Creation to stop his own personal cycle of reincarnation, and Basically Satan wants pretty much the exact same thing for very similar reasons. The other Forsaken, well, all their glorious post-victory plans depend a little too much on Creation still being there.
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Jun 17, 2020 21:17
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Since Darkhounds are corrupted wolf brothers, perhaps they can navigate Tel'aran'rhiod?
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iirc they're said to not even remember that they were ever wolves, so that might prevent them from using the world of dreams? maybe?
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Jun 17, 2020 23:23
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I'd hazard a guess you need a soul to be in TAR.
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Jun 17, 2020 23:53
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Did we ever compile a list of skippable chapters? I'm at book five and these Nynaeve/Elayne chapters... This isn't even the part where nothing happens, but they are just so unlikeable.
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rndmnmbr posted:And all of that because Basically Satan values being a selfish dickhead over things like intelligence and competence. I have no idea whether it came from Jordan or if it was a Sanderson innovation but one of my favourite things is when Rand finally confronted the Dark One and it turns out that it’s vision wasn’t the classical hell on earth world most people including the forsaken had pictured but rather a world in which capitalism and libertarianism had been taken to their logical extremes.
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Jun 18, 2020 04:20
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It's really good that the Dark One is also known as the Father of Lies, and he turns out to have been lying to literally everyone.
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Jun 18, 2020 04:40
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I always liked the shadowspawn blacksmiths in the Blight just hanging out and doing their jobs. Creepiest for me were the soulless servants in the prologue of book 2.
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silvergoose posted:Wait, no, it turns out a couple of them were really good at...not doing anything useful and just hiding? gently caress! Ok, but what if one of them was so good at hiding she nicknamed herself "The Spider"? No poisoning or anything, but she has lots of plans she calls webs. They all suck too, like a spider sucks goo out of the fly. Also she holds grudges. Oh, and is a coward. Maybe giving herself a nickname was more of a red flag.
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enigma105 posted:Ok, but what if one of them was so good at hiding she nicknamed herself "The Spider"? No poisoning or anything, but she has lots of plans she calls webs. They all suck too, like a spider sucks goo out of the fly. Also she holds grudges. Oh, and is a coward. Maybe giving herself a nickname was more of a red flag. This made me remember a moment I love from the series: when Nynaeve is dueling with her and worrying "At any moment she could unleash her full power, I'll be dead or enslaved in no time, what will I do!?" but then realizes Moghedien already *is* putting all of her power into the fight and that her own ability with the Power is on-par with one of the Forsaken.
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Semhirage is straight up the most classically evil of all the forsaken. She’s a high functioning sadistic sociopath that destroyed the Seanchan empire at its roots, on top of all the nasty poo poo she did on screen.
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She's also probably the most competent of all of them.
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Actually from memory she's involved in setting up the breaking of the Tower isn't she? She tortures some info out of some Aes Sedai that I swear is used for that purpose, but I could be remembering wrong
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Actually from memory she's involved in setting up the breaking of the Tower isn't she? Yes. She tortures an Aes Sedai for information, and learns that she had a serving maid or something named Halima. Aran'gar then poses as Halima to explain how she found Salidar ("her mistress told her") in order to infiltrate the rebel Aes Sedai. And since Semirhage had wrested out every little scrap of information from that Aes Sedai, it wasn't difficult for Aran'gar to convince the Salidar Aes Sedai that she really was Halima.
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ConfusedUs posted:Semhirage is straight up the most classically evil of all the forsaken. She’s a high functioning sadistic sociopath that destroyed the Seanchan empire at its roots, on top of all the nasty poo poo she did on screen. In the Forsaken viewpoint chapters, Isshamael and Semhirage are the only forsaken that the other Forsaken are ever seen to fear.
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enigma105 posted:Ok, but what if one of them was so good at hiding she nicknamed herself "The Spider"? No poisoning or anything, but she has lots of plans she calls webs. They all suck too, like a spider sucks goo out of the fly. Also she holds grudges. Oh, and is a coward. Maybe giving herself a nickname was more of a red flag. She didn't, though. Only Lanfear chose her name iirc, everyone else was given theirs by others.
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silvergoose posted:She didn't, though. Yup. She got called Moghedien because that was a dangerous little spider that liked to hide, but she didn't choose it for herself.
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DarkHorse posted:Yup. oh ohhhhh I'm on book 4 in my reread and just realized who Gyldin is. I was wracking my brain trying to remember who this sneaky rude person is.
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Famethrowa posted:oh Yep, yep. I mean it's revealed directly when she reveals herself in fires of heaven?, but yeah.
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Jun 19, 2020 18:17
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DarkHorse posted:Yup. There's a cool Japanese cover featuring her being spidery. 
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Jun 19, 2020 19:12
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After she gets un shackled she does gently caress all. I wanted more changing people into dream animals forever and ripping dead hero’s into reality. I know that Gaidal left like halfway through the books but I was for sure he would be confirmed to be Olver since Jordan put so much emphasis on him.
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Jun 19, 2020 20:06
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I always assumed it was a soft confirmation that olver was gaidol and that they'd later fall in love and do adventures and everything after the last book.
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