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at least they're recognizing "woman's work" as labor with real value. except they have to use terms for management instead of labor because of where its published...
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Finally someone's out there speaking up for mpreg, it's about time
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I'm p sure that antifa supersoldier is actually a dracula
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Main Paineframe posted:the part that makes me laugh is where they couch it all in business terms. you see, a stay-at-home mom is like a CEO and a family is like a company and businesses are relatable to them the household as a basic unit of society is so alien they cannot discuss it directly and must resort to metaphor
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 “Be your own stylist” was a slogan ahead of its time.
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kraken! posted:I'm p sure that antifa supersoldier is actually a dracula That dracula is Karl Lagerfeld and he's dead now so either he's not a dracula or he got vampire hunter'd
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I'm not nominally PRO police brutality but a horde of cops descending on this with batons in a steroid fueled rage would be peak 2020 lols
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Sylink posted:But if we were making 150k/year it'd be a lot easier so that lady can deal with it. yeah nobody ever gets divorced
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The picture is from here by the way, which has some other gigantic monuments to capitalism in it: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/20/fashion/lagerfeld-sets-fashion-week.html My favorite is the ENORMOUS jacket that you presumably must make sacrifices to Coco Chanel within 
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the flip side to the-household-is-a-business is the “this business is like a family” attitude, which is almost always associated with terrible working conditions that you’re expected to tolerate because you’re part of the family
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Couldn't decide if this fitted here or cyberpunk thread better so it goes in both.
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Pirate Radar posted:the flip side to the-household-is-a-business is the “this business is like a family” attitude, which is almost always associated with terrible working conditions that you’re expected to tolerate because you’re part of the family "You would give anything for your family, wouldn't you? Do you LOVE and CARE about your family? Or are you a monster?" Not on quite the same level but my family ran an independent retail pharmacy, and I've been on the roof of that building hundreds of times in my pre-teen years cleaning and replacing gutters, sealing up leaks, sweeping away rat/bird poo poo etc because there was no way the adults wanted to pay someone to do it, which ironically cost more money long term because we had no idea how to do the jobs properly.
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Inceltown posted:Couldn't decide if this fitted here or cyberpunk thread better so it goes in both. did he get a tip
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Funion posted:did he get a tip in 2019, probably not
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Peanut President posted:Thirty euros ain't "free' dumbass. Maybe take an english class there Hans?
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TheMostFrench posted:"You would give anything for your family, wouldn't you? Do you LOVE and CARE about your family? Or are you a monster?" Most small businesses who pretend to be family will spend hundreds of dollars to save a buck The one I work for refuses to spend a $1 monthly fee on server storage so gets me to spend hours (which I'm getting paid) fixing his local storage setup
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Hodgepodge posted:businesses are relatable to them leaving aside the fact that monetizing things often destroys previously un-monetized motivations and feelings, people actually do try to roughly quantify how much domestic labour is worth, and it's staggering. That article ultimately concludes that a stay-at-home mom, if paid at market rate for the various work she has to do in the household, would make on average $119,000 a year, and a working mom, if paid the same, would make on average an additional $70,000 a year. businesses are relatable to them in a way that households aren't, and we shouldn't want to monetize households. On the other hand, pointing out the enormous amount of uncompensated domestic labour can be done in a way that sinks in for people who only understand things in monetary business terms
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vyelkin posted:leaving aside the fact that monetizing things often destroys previously un-monetized motivations and feelings, people actually do try to roughly quantify how much domestic labour is worth, and it's staggering. That article ultimately concludes that a stay-at-home mom, if paid at market rate for the various work she has to do in the household, would make on average $119,000 a year, and a working mom, if paid the same, would make on average an additional $70,000 a year. I've always been skeptical of this kinda "break down things a mom does and then compare it to worker salaries" thing. I mean I think the labor a stay at home mom does is absolutely worth a ton but I think this method of calculating it is weird and reductionist. Also lmao at this quote quote:"I know what it’s like to finish the laundry and to look in the basket five minutes later and it’s full again. I know what it’s like to pull all the groceries in, and see the teenagers run through, and all of a sudden, all of the groceries you just bought a few hours ago are gone." – Ann Romney I know what it's like when your laundry butler just finished the laundry but your kids fill it up again. I know what it's like when you go to your horse dancing event and they run out of caviar and you have to scream at the maitre d' e: quote:Stay at home moms reported working a full hour per week more as a psychologist to their kids than last year. Could it be because of increased acts of violence at schools? Can we pin it on rampant bullying? Or is Miley Cyrus and twerking to blame yet again? drat you, twerking Miley Cyrus! Your rear end is ruining our children's sanity 
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Shame Boy posted:I've always been skeptical of this kinda "break down things a mom does and then compare it to worker salaries" thing. I mean I think the labor a stay at home mom does is absolutely worth a ton but I think this method of calculating it is weird and reductionist. why do you think it's reductionist? it's a good way of highlighting the degree to which our economy functions because of uncompensated labor emanating almost exclusively from women, and imo can be a good springboard into arguing those various other workers deserve a significant increase in compensation because of the social value they provide by offsetting the amount of uncompensated labor. i'm genuinely curious because even if it is overvaluing it or not an "accurate" calculation it's a strategically useful way to say "everyone deserves an income above the currently accepted threshold for a living wage, irrespective of formal employment status" which is usually difficult to quantify for skeptics
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Frog Act posted:why do you think it's reductionist? it's a good way of highlighting the degree to which our economy functions because of uncompensated labor emanating almost exclusively from women, and imo can be a good springboard into arguing those various other workers deserve a significant increase in compensation because of the social value they provide by offsetting the amount of uncompensated labor. i'm genuinely curious because even if it is overvaluing it or not an "accurate" calculation it's a strategically useful way to say "everyone deserves an income above the currently accepted threshold for a living wage, irrespective of formal employment status" which is usually difficult to quantify for skeptics I mean I think it's undervaluing it if anything, which is most of where my 'reductionist' stance comes from, but yeah. Another problem I have with it is how do you quantify the different jobs, like this article has "janitor" and "housekeeping" listed separately, then describe them as basically the same thing. It's also derived only from "small business" numbers, and implies that jobs like CEO's (let alone actual workers these days) get time-and-a-half for overtime. I just feel that it's probably low-balling it and comparing things in weird incompatible ways that leave the same bad taste in my mouth that the "run your family like a business!!" stuff does. e: I guess my core problem is they're always written as some casual clickbaity mother's day article rather than an actual analysis, if someone knows of a more rigorous treatment of this I'd be interested and probably like it more 
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Libertarian solution: bill your children for their upbringing. As soon as you turn 18, you owe your parent(s)/guardian(s)/orphanage 1.8 million dollars. And it'll be nondischargeable like student loans. And they can sell your debt to collection agencies for pennies on the dollar. Oh god, I'm just giving them ideas at this point, aren't I?
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why the hell is someone making 150k/year contributing only 3% lmfao
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Geshtal posted:Libertarian solution: bill your children for their upbringing. As soon as you turn 18, you owe your parent(s)/guardian(s)/orphanage 1.8 million dollars. And it'll be nondischargeable like student loans. And they can sell your debt to collection agencies for pennies on the dollar. this is old news for libertarians so no worries
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actionjackson posted:why the hell is someone making 150k/year contributing only 3% lmfao HENRY syndrome
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Geshtal posted:Libertarian solution: bill your children for their upbringing. As soon as you turn 18, you owe your parent(s)/guardian(s)/orphanage 1.8 million dollars. And it'll be nondischargeable like student loans. And they can sell your debt to collection agencies for pennies on the dollar. 
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well my first bit of financial advice is stop putting the baby in your dryer
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The Nastier Nate posted:well my first bit of financial advice is stop putting the baby in your dryer Air drying makes them all wrinkly though
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blatman posted:do people normally install a clothes dryer in the kitchen like that? 92% of clothes in europe are dried outdoors. no one has a dryer. but yeah, the clothes washer is often in the kitchen or bathroom because plumbing.
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Shame Boy posted:I mean I think it's undervaluing it if anything, which is most of where my 'reductionist' stance comes from, but yeah. Another problem I have with it is how do you quantify the different jobs, like this article has "janitor" and "housekeeping" listed separately, then describe them as basically the same thing. It's also derived only from "small business" numbers, and implies that jobs like CEO's (let alone actual workers these days) get time-and-a-half for overtime. I just feel that it's probably low-balling it and comparing things in weird incompatible ways that leave the same bad taste in my mouth that the "run your family like a business!!" stuff does. Maybe try this as a launching off point. As far as I remember, the paper is written as a "hey, this is a problem, here are some thoughts on how we should start working to solve it" manner: http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_838.pdf Your reading will be EXCLUSIVELY academic from here on out. Journalism is loving worthless if you want real answers to economic questions.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Lol her husband won't even be able to retire on that I make quite a bit less than 150k, I'm single, and I'm able to put away 20-25% into retirement each year I mean yeah I have no children or student debt, but still only 3%?? jfc
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Putting dollar values on unpaid reproductive labour is a good thing for a variety of reasons but mostly because it highlights the fact that were the labour actually compensated fairly at a market rate it would collapse the entire system of capitalism. The wages for house work movement is one of the best things to come out of neomarxism imo It also destroys the idea that people are only motivated by profit because conservative estimates put the value of unpaid labour at somewhere around 1/4 to 1/3 of GDP. Basically please petition your govts to carry out time use surveys, very few actually do.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Lol her husband won't even be able to retire on that lmao if you retire and don't just die in the office
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Ensign Expendable posted:lmao if you retire and don't just die in the office gonna hide my corpse in the vent like a senior year prank
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actionjackson posted:why the hell is someone making 150k/year contributing only 3% lmfao highly compensated employees can only contribute around the same amount as the average employee, which is generally very low. https://smartasset.com/retirement/401k-highly-compensated-employee that said he should be maxing out other things like IRAs
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Giga Gaia posted:gonna hide my corpse in the vent like a senior year prank it's like a number being retired, except instead of a jersey, they just hang you from the rafters
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blatman posted:do people normally install a clothes dryer in the kitchen like that? https://www.realestate.com.au/news/yes-toilet-kitchen/
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