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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Liberals don't actually understand what grift means or why it's a bad thing, and just think 'they must somehow be making money off this, why else would they disagree with me?!?'

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Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
well the money and clout norton and blumenthal seem to get from their positions seem pretty drat pitiful, so yeah. point is, im still honestly trying to understand why people on the left coolzone would hate either of them, and daddy issues are just... disappointing. i guess im going to actually have to start noting down and actually asking the people dunking on them. horrid

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Kurnugia posted:

and daddy issues are just... disappointing

cspam dot txt

anyway yeah idk. I think they’re fine, they’re funny, I just don’t necessarily believe everything they say at face value and they don’t necessarily try to hide their intentions and I respect it.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Jose posted:

I always find it wild people think you can grift on the left. Like the most successful anything could come close to that money wise is chapo

lol

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


What kind of loving surname is "Vaca" anyway? Goddamn

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

Lightning Knight posted:

Max Blumenthal and Ben Norton are pretty bog standard commie shitposters who somehow landed positions of legitimacy through RT, their podcast, etc. I think Blumenthal gets more hate than Norton because his dad is some big shot in the Clinton orbit? Anyway neither of them seems particularly offensive or douchey, or at least no more than is the norm for extremely online posters who pivot into Journalism (tm).
That's a little too dismissive, Blumenthal's book from 2013 "Goliath" about Israel got a lot of serious attention, and Ben Norton actually started at Salon and then got fired when they decided to be more right wing. Max in particular really does good reporting, Ben more often seems to swim in his wake and do twitter dunks but he's fairly good too.

Kurnugia posted:

Actually i keep hearing thst blumenthal is "divisive" or extremist, but i have no idea why
They're anti-US imperialism so take stances that get them widely attacked on issues like regime change in Syria, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Hong Kong. This also makes their adversarial reporting very rare in the mediasphere and quite valuable.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Fast Luck posted:

That's a little too dismissive, Blumenthal's book from 2013 "Goliath" about Israel got a lot of serious attention, and Ben Norton actually started at Salon and then got fired when they decided to be more right wing. Max in particular really does good reporting, Ben more often seems to swim in his wake and do twitter dunks but he's fairly good too.

I didn’t know that, that’s fair.

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

I think Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti are an outfit I'd identify as having faked progressive cred from the get-go, but even then, as you said, I don't know how much money they made off Rising and their book, so maybe not even a profitable grift.

Rising isn't a grift, it's intended to be a trojan horse deal where Krystal serves to legitimize Saagar's weird rear end strasserism, but she's got a million times more charisma than he does so it actually does the opposite.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/CubaVenezCte/status/1268289940430831616?s=20

the people who protected the Venezuelan embassy got the charges dropped. The first trial ended in a mistrial.

https://twitter.com/SenRickScott/status/1268242204679647240?s=20

Sao Paulo Forum strikes again!

Kurnugia posted:

well the money and clout norton and blumenthal seem to get from their positions seem pretty drat pitiful, so yeah. point is, im still honestly trying to understand why people on the left coolzone would hate either of them, and daddy issues are just... disappointing. i guess im going to actually have to start noting down and actually asking the people dunking on them. horrid

oh yeah they mostly get poo poo for being consistently anti-imperialist and being dedicated to posting

also they got lots of clout, I think Maduro knighted them. How else do you measure clout.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
Maduro, please invade america, my people yearn for freedom



not ironic

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

reignonyourparade posted:

Rising isn't a grift, it's intended to be a trojan horse deal where Krystal serves to legitimize Saagar's weird rear end strasserism, but she's got a million times more charisma than he does so it actually does the opposite.

it was the only outlet giving bernie people serious air time. I don't know or care about their ultimate political objectives, but saagar's politics seem to be so boring and traditional I can't imagine all that many young people would be on board.

hell I line up with his views by accident because I don't do drugs or drink and am married and all that poo poo and I still think he's a boring dweeb

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Kurnugia posted:

well the money and clout norton and blumenthal seem to get from their positions seem pretty drat pitiful, so yeah. point is, im still honestly trying to understand why people on the left coolzone would hate either of them, and daddy issues are just... disappointing. i guess im going to actually have to start noting down and actually asking the people dunking on them. horrid
cspam liberals are ignorant of the history of us foreign policy and presume the US acts in good faith even under the trump administration. they tend to buy the vilification of official enemies to support intervention

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1268701592687202310?s=20

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
The original fuckery
https://twitter.com/MalikExMachina/status/1268244319191937025?s=20

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER


a lot of these people will be african immigrants and sans-papiers, not 100% that this argument lands perfectly

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008


the neverending interim presidency

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
ahem, actually it's now the acting interim preregime

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
the empire loves inter rims

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is

she is the biggest girl boss of our time, most guys don't have the machismo to say hey i'm prez 4 life now dwi

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
interim president for life juan guaido jeanine anez

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

https://twitter.com/KentAllar/status/1268994552632836098

lmfao found this in the wild, the argentinean rightoid who fled with fear for his life from... cristina kirschner?

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
shitheel alpine baboon here

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

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Plutonis posted:

https://twitter.com/KentAllar/status/1268994552632836098

lmfao found this in the wild, the argentinean rightoid who fled with fear for his life from... cristina kirschner?



lmao holy poo poo

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

why is a pope wearing a gimp mask?

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Lightning Knight posted:



lmao holy poo poo

man i hope his small business got destroyed by covid

Yoshi Wins
Jul 14, 2013

That’s a real disturbed psycho right there

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Anglo-saxons do suck though, so I'll give him that. Only that.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Never thought I'd see LatAms fighting Anglo-Saxons for the title of whiteness

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
personally, i think its really cool how the media was hyping up the restoration of democracy in bolivia and now all of a sudden theyve gone so quiet you can hear the dust balls rolling around and no ones even talking about bolivia, or venezuela for that matter
and all the brokebrain liberals who were telling me about morales' terrible rule and violation of the constitution just change the topic nervously when asked about military police shooting protesters

also, if im not mistaken, isnt there an ongoing protest in chile as well, or there was one for months last year? where pinera just sent int he carabineros to gently caress up people in a manner reminiscent of pinochetistas? that has also suffered total media blackout i think lol

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

lmfao you filthy loving pigs, you dirty wretched cunts

https://twitter.com/Vinncent/status/1269782465767518215?s=19

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


gh0stpinballa posted:

lmfao you filthy loving pigs, you dirty wretched cunts

https://twitter.com/Vinncent/status/1269782465767518215?s=19


YEP

https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1270106355060350978

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/thomascfield/status/1269773176684326917?s=20

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
Jon Ossoff (the new Georgia Senate nominee and perpetual C-SPAM punchline) is an empty suit, but I am legit curious what his full position on Venezuela currently is.
https://twitter.com/ossoff/status/1099752121061265408?s=20
https://twitter.com/ossoff/status/1105219259796463622?s=20
I don't expect him to double down if he's questioned on it again, but it'd be funny if ends up being better on Latin America than many of the revolutionary cosplayers running for office now.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
Jon Ossof strikes me as one of those people who really isn’t a bad person by any means, but like anybody who goes into politics without knowing what it’s like, was immediately smothered by lovely corporate consultants.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

ossoff is definitely the type of shitheel that would fall in line with the washington consensus

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

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comedyblissoption posted:

ossoff is definitely the type of shitheel that would fall in line with the washington consensus

that’s basically a prerequisite to getting elected to federal office tho so I mean

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1271950292834226178

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
MAS is gonna evolve into a revolutionary party at this rate and hell, it's good

also,
https://twitter.com/BrasilWire/status/1272496673038782465
lmfao "ukrainization"
also, powerful cspam energy in there
https://twitter.com/DieForNumber/status/1268171334397210625

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/Travis_Waldron/status/1273286299886268417?s=20

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Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1273329083364126722

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