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Quantum of Phallus posted:You wanna source that? ZandigFans
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SunshineDanceParty posted:An incredibly frustrating pattern is people who don't want to be seen as the bad guys suddenly coming forward with personal trauma to justify their past or current attitudes. It's a selfish instinct and it keeps happening. One that stands out as backfiring spectacularly is when Kevin Spacey got outed for trying to groom a 14-year-old kid and put out a half-apology that admitted no wrong-doing then immediately followed it up with finally admitting he was homosexual. At least one big LGBTQI group responded with,"gently caress off and don't try to use us as cover for being a pedophile, you piece of poo poo."
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SunshineDanceParty posted:An incredibly frustrating pattern is people who don't want to be seen as the bad guys suddenly coming forward with personal trauma to justify their past or current attitudes. It's a selfish instinct and it keeps happening. Everyone who's done heinous poo poo has got an explanation in their past that drove their decision making. Being able to recogise yours doesn't make you special or more worthy of forgiveness. Also in case anyone's missed it yet when his victim points out she verbally said no Starr's reply was "No you didn't, but that's ok" 
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Jun 18, 2020 01:46
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Man what a loving bummer 
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Trust No Wrestler™️
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Last time a weird Starr post got promoted, he said he did a general "promote my account" thing and a Twitter algorithm does the rest but idk if I'd believe him now..................
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https://twitter.com/DWilkins21/status/1273441869922476032 https://twitter.com/starkmanjones/status/1273441974784348160
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Rarity posted:Everyone who's done heinous poo poo has got an explanation in their past that drove their decision making. Being able to recogise yours doesn't make you special or more worthy of forgiveness. I think a big thing that was at the heart of Me Too and a big point that was missed was the ask for everyone to reflect on their past experiences and ask themselves if they screwed up. As time has gone on it's just incredibly clear very few did that. Which isn't surprising but I dunno AEW was fun tonight.
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MassRafTer posted:https://twitter.com/DWilkins21/status/1273441869922476032 Well, drat. Glad to hear it's worked out so well for the guy. Welcome to AEW, Ricky!
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ICHIBAHN posted:Bit much to attack Bix by proxy. Delete that tweet
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SunshineDanceParty posted:I think a big thing that was at the heart of Me Too and a big point that was missed was the ask for everyone to reflect on their past experiences and ask themselves if they screwed up. As time has gone on it's just incredibly clear very few did that. Which isn't surprising but I dunno AEW was fun tonight. The Me Too movement started about 4 years ago and it's become increasingly obvious that a lot of men never learned a goddamn thing
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Super No Vacancy posted:its just that men are garbage it is not unique to wrestling or leftism or anything else and its weird people want it to be I get that this probably isn't what you were going for, but as a man that was abused by a woman this makes me feel really uncomfortable when it's already really difficult because of how much woman-on-man domestic violence is already used as a punchline, and while I'm fully aware I'm probably going to get some male fragility comments I'd really appreciate it if you didn't say that sort of stuff.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I get that this probably isn't what you were going for, but as a man that was abused by a woman this makes me feel really uncomfortable when it's already really difficult because of how much woman-on-man domestic violence is already used as a punchline, and while I'm fully aware I'm probably going to get some male fragility comments I'd really appreciate it if you didn't say that sort of stuff. This post is entirely correct and I'm sorry you went through that
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I get that this probably isn't what you were going for, but as a man that was abused by a woman this makes me feel really uncomfortable when it's already really difficult because of how much woman-on-man domestic violence is already used as a punchline, and while I'm fully aware I'm probably going to get some male fragility comments I'd really appreciate it if you didn't say that sort of stuff. Yeah the snv post sucked
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Thanks, I appreciate it.
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general question since i see this reaction a lot from posters, but why are the people rightfully mad about the starr news able to brush off and swoon over will ospreay while he has multiple transgressions of bigotry, verbal abuse towards women, and literally covering for a rapist? The guy has literally tweeted poo poo like this in similar situations.
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Jun 18, 2020 08:19
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being garbage is ok in some ways but not in others. If anyone wants to become cool garbage without being evil, you have to upgrade your mind to +5 then use a rotten egg to ascend to decayed mind. upgrade decayed mind to +10 then ascend to garbage mind. do not go down any other path toward garbage or you will end up as one of the worst people alive. Glad to help my friends on here this post has nothing to do with will ospreay even though it sort of looks like a response to the above post. i didn't read the above post before posting this so now i'm editing this part in. i personally do not like ospreay and feel pretty bad whenever people say he 'became a good boy' and stuff like that. he even used the same "i was assaulted in my past" excuse like david starr. it's very sad that this happened.
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Jun 18, 2020 08:20
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KungFu Grip posted:general question since i see this reaction a lot from posters, but why are the people rightfully mad about the starr news able to brush off and swoon over will ospreay while he has multiple transgressions of bigotry, verbal abuse towards women, and literally covering for a rapist? The guy has literally tweeted poo poo like this in similar situations. Because Will Ospreay has gone 'I have been a piece of poo poo, I'm trying to be better', and has, in fact, delivered on being better?
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Jun 18, 2020 08:23
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KungFu Grip posted:general question since i see this reaction a lot from posters, but why are the people rightfully mad about the starr news able to brush off and swoon over will ospreay while he has multiple transgressions of bigotry, verbal abuse towards women, and literally covering for a rapist? The guy has literally tweeted poo poo like this in similar situations. He has since recognized he was a terrible dude, apologized for his behavior and actively tries to be a better person.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Because Will Ospreay has gone 'I have been a piece of poo poo, I'm trying to be better', and has, in fact, delivered on being better? So Starr just has to deliver on that being better part and people should wipe their hands and look past this then?
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Jun 18, 2020 08:26
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Well AFAIK, Will didn't literally admit on Twitter to being a rapist so that makes him better than Starr
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Jun 18, 2020 08:28
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KungFu Grip posted:So Starr just has to deliver on that being better part and people should wipe their hands and look past this then? No?
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extradite THIS! posted:He has since recognized he was a terrible dude, apologized for his behavior and actively tries to be a better person. has he apologized specifically for him and Bea blackballing a local wrestler from the scene when she alleged that a buddy of theirs assaulted her?
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Jun 18, 2020 08:33
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Cool, so why does someone who abused his power in wrestling to ruin a woman's life and said disgusting stuff in the last 4 years get to skirt all his dirt under the rug and get a pass by a lot of people, when others get revealed to be scum as well? People on this forum go "gently caress Big Mike Elgin" similar stuff, but then turn around and praise "dumb handsome William" like come on. People's bias to let things slide just because they enjoy the thing is obvious. gently caress Starr, gently caress Ospreay, gently caress Elgin. the escape goat posted:has he apologized specifically for him and Bea blackballing a local wrestler from the scene when she alleged that a buddy of theirs assaulted her? The only thing i'm aware Ospreay maybe apologized for was telling a woman wrestler she was weak for leaving japan and treating wrestling like a game because a relative died. Maybe the slurs as well KungFu Grip fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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Jun 18, 2020 08:36
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I didn't have "Dominique Wilkins wants to manage the newest AEW signing" in my 2020 bingo but here we are.
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most people don't put will on the same level as elgin and starr for two reasons. the biggest one is the other two guys are both sexual assaulters and that's about as bad as you can get in most peoples' eyes. the only worse things are not even okay to talk about on here except for murder. the other thing is that will is simply a very entertaining big star in a highly thought of environment. if njpw dumped him the way they dumped elgin, there would probably be a 50/50 split on the guy. if he was in wwe it would be universally negative
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What's done is done, you cannot change the past and you can spend your entirely life trying to make up for it, but the important part is people taking actions to be a better person and not just posting a half-assed apology and pretending that whatever event it was they were involved in didn't happen. Orton, Ripley, Osperay, and Scorpio Sky's situations mostly happened out of absolute ignorance, but they're all taking actions to show they're learning and growing as people. But there's a big rear end difference between saying something offensive and assaulting or abusing someone. That's something that Starr will have to live with for the rest of his life and his most recent apology tour has shown he doesn't even think he's done anything wrong. I mean for gently caress's sake, Jim Ross is reflecting and changing his attitude/actions.
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KungFu Grip posted:Cool, so why does someone who abused his power in wrestling to ruin a woman's life and said disgusting stuff in the last 4 years get to skirt all his dirt under the rug and get a pass by a lot of people, when others get revealed to be scum as well? Very cool & good to compare somebody accused of being a creepy sex pervert to whatever it was that Ospreay did.
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Cavauro posted:most people don't put will on the same level as elgin and starr for two reasons. the biggest one is the other two guys are both sexual assaulters and that's about as bad as you can get in most peoples' eyes. It's this
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Ospreay has specifically addressed and apologized for those things as far as I know, and, again, is actively and currently putting in the effort to be better. It is possible to appreciate someone’s work and their attempts to improve as a human being while still remembering that they used to be a bad person not that long ago. The fact that he is trying to be better IS in fact one of the reasons people might like him now. I don’t think Elgin has really addressed anything properly, and also what Cavauro said. Their crimes and actions in response to being dragged are also different. Only time will tell what Starr does from now on and if he can redeem himself. It is possible, but all of this came to light literally yesterday and his response wasn’t that amazing. You are allowed to take whatever stance you please on any of those people, but they are all different cases.
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dsriggs posted:Very cool & good to compare somebody accused of being a creepy sex pervert to whatever it was that Ospreay did. Scroll up. Ospreay covered for a sex pervert and abused said sex pervert's victim into quitting wrestling and then after she came forward on twitter he made that tweet i posted. He then got said sex pervert a job an all women's wrestling promotion's training school putting multiple women at risk. Blatant enablers are just as bad as the perpetrators. KungFu Grip fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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Jun 18, 2020 08:56
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KungFu Grip posted:He then got said sex pervert a job an all women's wrestling promotion's training school putting multiple women at risk. uh holy poo poo? did NOT know that part.
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I did not know that either. Really sucks
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The pro wrestling company is EVE btw, just in case anyone buys into their bullshit still.
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the escape goat posted:uh holy poo poo? did NOT know that part. Yeah and it came out last year when a former trainer of EVE noticed he was at their training camps helping train the women, some of which were minors, and they felt extremely uncomfortable and quit the school. I can't find their tweets and the moment, but EVE cross promoted shows with Ospreay's Frontline wrestling last year that had his rapist friend on it as well.
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Jun 18, 2020 09:15
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Former trainee and she deleted her twitter account
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My "I am not a sexual predator" promoted tweet has people asking a lot of questions already answered by the tweet.
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Did Pollyanna or anyone who knows her ever actually accuse Ospreay of blackballing her from shows, because I have not heard anything about him blackballing anyone outside of speculation on various forums. I would appreciate someone setting the record straight
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The Ospreay situation is also a hair more complicated simply because it's super easy to say that we should always believe victims, and it's another when the person being accused is someone you're close to. The natural instinct there is to defend the person you care about. Most of Ospreay's actions around that make perfect sense if you assume he honestly believes his friend was innocent and being wrongly accused. Now that doesn't mean he's right to believe that, or that what happened afterwards isn't pretty awful when looked at objectively, but I think a lot of people tend to make the assumption that you can just flip a switch and stop caring about someone the second something like this comes out and that's just not how emotions work.
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