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Jel Shaker posted:was vera Lynn still alive?! Apparently so. https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-13118290
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normal stuff to be sure. is this something the snp as leaders of scottish parliament would have any power over? i'm assuming not https://twitter.com/andrewfeinstein/status/1273552915333070849?s=20
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XMNN posted:proud, non racist, memorial defenders at work Buries the lede a bit. quote:The headstone of an African man who was enslaved in the 18th Century has been smashed in two.
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Comrade Fakename posted:The CHAZ seems like a pretty dangerous place, check out this entirely reasonable documentary evidence: Cool I want to go there now
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XMNN posted:proud, non racist, memorial defenders at work On the one hand, locals knock down a statue that they hate because the guy was a massive oval office, leading to greater discussion of the horrific crimes and a huge swing in public sentiment On the other, racist knocks down a tombstone , leading to public disgust Must be frustrating to be a racist in 2020
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OwlFancier posted:Buries the lede a bit. Yup it's definitely gonna get a bit Cable Street this summer.
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Jippa posted:I can't take anyone seriously who is called "tucker". What sort of name is that? A nickname for a fat kid at boarding school
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I have find memories of the short lived Nickelodeon show Tucker.
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some interesting info in this thread https://twitter.com/WillardFoxton/status/1273542127188881409?s=20
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Jose posted:normal stuff to be sure. is this something the snp as leaders of scottish parliament would have any power over? i'm assuming not I'd imagine this kind of thing would come under defence which wouldn't be devolved (the "defence" here of course being defending arms contractors' ability to make vast stacks of cash, but still legally a uk government matter)
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Jose posted:some interesting info in this thread It's just world fallacy all over again. Bad people shouldn't get statues, he has a statu, so he couldn't have been a bad person.
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Notable people get statues, and he was definitely notable. Notable mostly for doing some bullshit. Proposal: Rhodes statues can stay but with the replacement of his name with large brass plaques reading "be gay, do crime".
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Guavanaut posted:Notable people get statues, and he was definitely notable. Proposal: people who are notable for doing bad things get a statue, but it is upside down. Like a flag in distress. Answer: no just throw them in the river
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Guavanaut posted:Notable people get statues, and he was definitely notable. Notable people get statues for the purposes of memorialising or glorifying them. Notable BAD people are not supposed to get statues.
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Jose posted:hairy bikers taking lockdown badly We must protect the statue of Churchill after he united the seven kingdoms to fight against the White Walkers
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Ngl, I have a lot of envy for the lad in the tartan pajamas. Jose posted:some interesting info in this thread Can't believe they were virtue signalling all the way back then.
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thespaceinvader posted:Notable people get statues for the purposes of memorialising or glorifying them. Like with the Colston Clubs, or like how everyone knew what Leopold was up to in the Congo even at the time, so he used his wealth to try and secure his legacy.  Controversial people also get statues, like Jan Smuts who was a racist weirdo but also fought the nazis and torpedoed his own political career fighting against apartheid, or Cromwell who was a big poo poo in Ireland (though scarcely more than a dozen Henries, Jameses, Georges, and Williams, not to mention Innocents, Gregories, Benadicts, and Urbans) but he got rid of monarchy and banned Christmas, which are both life goals. I think nature has a way of sorting the outright poo poo one from the controversial, by how they end up in rivers, so with the controversial ones it's more about what we remember them for as a symbol rather than an absolute. (always get rid of monarchy and ban Christmas)
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My point is not whether there are statues of bad people. It's that the people currently looking at the statues assume that there are only statues of good people, and are wrong about it. Am I misunderstanding your response, or was I not clear about that in the first place? I'm suggesting that many if not most of the people who are genuinely defending the statues (as opposed to the racists using it to do a racism or the people looking to use it to have a fight) seem to be doing so because they think they are of good people. Which they think because they have statues. Because they think bad people don't have statues put up of them.
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thespaceinvader posted:My point is not whether there are statues of bad people. It's that the people currently looking at the statues assume that there are only statues of good people, and are wrong about it. So the distribution of statues is always going to be a mixture of absolute shitstains and ridiculously wealthy (Colston, Milligan, Leopold), 'controversial' and may have done a war crime or twenty but sometimes it was in the service of a not-terrible ideal (Cromwell, Smuts), and a tiny amount of statues to decent people put up by academies and institutions (Turing, the other one of Turing). e: ^^ lmao
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Guavanaut posted:I think that's a function of people misunderstanding reality, and thinking that statues are somehow put up by a grateful populace, rather than by the people with the money to make big bronze statues. and then I remembered this tweet and now I'm wondering why it took me so long to work out wtf was going on with it https://twitter.com/boblister_poole/status/1270828550959046659?s=20 Apologies for the Twitter moron
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In related statue defender news... Glasgow saw probably one of its largest ever far right assemblies outside of the 12th of July last night. Was at George Square and being confronted by a horde of roided and coked up gammons was pretty loving terrifying with police response being woefully inadequate with no cordons at all being the biggest failures. This was in response to a demo organised by asylum seekers in Glasgow campaigning for asylum support allowance to be reinstated and food standards increased whilst they are being forced to live in a series of hotels across the city under the frankly laughable suggestion this would help protect them from coronavirus and not to save their housing accom provider Mears Group/The Home Office from spending more money on proper precautionary measures within their actual asylum seeker housing already provided. The fash were claiming they were there to protect the cenotaph but there was never any intention by the No Evictions Group to even attempt any sort of defacement. https://twitter.com/no_evictions/status/1273393580028170241?s=19 Donate to no Evictions if you can, they've been doing brilliant work in Glasgow for over a year now. Perhaps the most worrying thing is how quickly such large numbers of fash were able to be mobilised, we were definitely outnumbered and it had the potential to turn really loving nasty.
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Jose posted:things are bleak in the US lol america gonna collapse
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XMNN posted:for a moment I was like what did spike Milligan do and then I remembered it was the Robert Milligan statue that got taken down The statue nonces keep trying to blur the lines (sometimes deliberately, sometimes through idiocy as in that case) between the statues of outright shits and the controversial or good ones, either through saying "the leftist thugs won't stop until every statue is down they're taking Spike Milligan  " or "we should take down Mandela statue because he was a terrist " and I'm not sure which is more dumb so I'll go with 'both'.
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XMNN posted:it was posted the day after the Robert Milligan one came down and it's literally the only reference to the spike Milligan one in this context that shows up on Google, I think he's just genuinely got the two mixed up "Shut up Eccles!"
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Jose posted:some interesting info in this thread In Cape Town they took the down the Rhodes statue at a university five years ago, maybe one day the UK can manage to be such an enlightened country as South Africa!
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Guavanaut posted:I think that's a function of people misunderstanding reality, and thinking that statues are somehow put up by a grateful populace, rather than by the people with the money to make big bronze statues. You raise a good point - people keep saying we should take down statues of bad people, but many forget that some of these so-called "bad" people were actually incredibly rich. If we start condemning the wealthy just because of a massacre they did or the people they bought and sold, where will it all end?
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Ms Adequate posted:My bedroom ceiling is leaking which means the roof must also be leaking cool I can't wait for the landlord to take forever to fix things and then the fixing to be an extremely loud job that devastates my room and involves people IN my room and takes forever to do very cool very cool Solidarity, fellow landlord anxiety pal. I wish I could offer more, sat here in my flat without a working oven, a boiler that only works when it wants to, and windows so draughty that I can see clear daylight through the gaps. No idea what either of us can do about it, but you're not alone
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gh0stpinballa posted:seeing sunny hundal getting rightly owned for his dreadful bolivia analysis. it's very indicative of the media class how none of them were persuaded it was a coup by the hours of footage of soldiers forcing MAS reps to sign resignation letters at gunpoint, no no, it just took the NYT and OAS to admit as much. as always, long after there's any chance of the ousted government returning. Ah, well. Nevertheless...
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gh0stpinballa posted:seeing sunny hundal getting rightly owned for his dreadful bolivia analysis. it's very indicative of the media class how none of them were persuaded it was a coup by the hours of footage of soldiers forcing MAS reps to sign resignation letters at gunpoint, no no, it just took the NYT and OAS to admit as much. as always, long after there's any chance of the ousted government returning. he didn't like me replying to some post about obama being a poo poo president lol honestly can't tell if the examples in this thread are parodies or not because the real thing have been so bad https://twitter.com/SamMoore249/status/1273358422017261568?s=20
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Jose posted:honestly can't tell if the examples in this thread are parodies or not because the real thing have been so bad i have a feeling they're settling into a comfortable permanent opposition role. i don't think they truly care enough to wanna win an election. mostly they're concerned with internal stability and shoring up careers now.
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gh0stpinballa posted:seeing sunny hundal getting rightly owned for his dreadful bolivia analysis. it's very indicative of the media class how none of them were persuaded it was a coup by the hours of footage of soldiers forcing MAS reps to sign resignation letters at gunpoint, no no, it just took the NYT and OAS to admit as much. as always, long after there's any chance of the ousted government returning. I didn't really know who he was other than "a British person with bad takes", so when I saw someone retweet* him saying "Ok I admit it was a coup", I initially assumed he was talking about the Labour party! *or like or reply or eyeball or whatever other things Twitter now counts as a reason to show on your timeline
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Jose posted:honestly can't tell if the examples in this thread are parodies or not because the real thing have been so bad That's a long-ish thread when the answer is "because Labour is staffed by talentless lifer hacks who got their job courtesy of nepotism"
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