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OwlFancier posted:Petition for the government to make alan sugar dead so we can take covid seriously please. 110 is 6 in binary.
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stev posted:This somehow made me angrier than everything the cabinet has said this week. It makes me most angry because he pretends - or used to pretend - to be a leftist and a labour supporter.
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Jippa posted:I can't take anyone seriously who is called "tucker". What sort of name is that? There was a road rage case last year where a black guy stabbed a white guy to death, and ultimately the jury acquitted him because they found he acted in self-defense. Tucker opened his segment on it by straight up calling the acquitted guy a murderer and nudge-nudge-wink-winking about what a shame it is that no-one would DO SOMETHING about it while flashing pictures of him on the screen, not even kidding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfI4m9BQbN8
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Guavanaut posted:It isn't, but it's clear who the blame rests with. You can just admit you were wrong.
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If anyone's worried about a coming recession, fear not! there's a new part to "get out and shop"BBC: Why a recession can be a good time to start a business posted:[...] many of the best, and longest-lasting, companies are set up during downturns, according to Dane Strangler, a fellow at the Bipartisan Policy Centre, in Washington DC. He says that the difficult economic backdrop makes them both tougher and more nimble for years to come. "There's this trial by fire idea," he says. "If you get started in a recession, you really have to scrape and scrimp to make that company successful. "You are trying to make it when you can't get financing, and trying to get customers when there isn't any demand."
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Guavanaut posted:He didn't do those things just out of mustache twirling evil though, he did them because English Royalists set up there to plot against him. Then after they lost a bunch of the wealthier ones ran off to Virginia and the Carolinas, where they would famously try to repeat the same thing again 200 years later but with more racism and again provoke mass suffering, massacres, death camps, and the burning of whole towns, which they blamed on other people. This is some revisionist bullshit. If it was just about stopping an English Royalist plot why did he take the actions he did against Irish Catholics post war. Lands confiscated, sometimes if they were lucky they’d be compensated but with much worse land in Connaught. Others sold to indentured servitude in Barbados. All Catholics barred from politics, barred from practicing religion. Mass rocks are still common around the country, stone alters in secluded areas where Irish practiced their faith in secret because public worship could get them executed. Cromwell was probably second only to the Great Famine in the damage they caused to Irish people.
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Come the gently caress on "Dane Strangler" is not a US policy wonk it's a profession in the 10th century.
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OwlFancier posted:Come the gently caress on "Dane Strangler" is not a US policy wonk it's a profession in the 10th century.
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Marenghi posted:This is some revisionist bullshit. If it was just about stopping an English Royalist plot why did he take the actions he did against Irish Catholics post war.  regarding anti-Catholicism and anti-Clericalism in that era.But across the centuries the English monarchy did more damage to the island of Ireland, including the attempted complete erasure of the language, turning a blind eye to mass starvation, and thinking it'd be a cool idea to put the most insane English and Scottish Protestants possible in Ulster to 'pacify the region'. I'm not saying his actions there are defensible, just that the royals were worse and I'm not even sure he'd be there in the first place if it weren't for English Royalists using it as a foothold. Maybe he would have, just to be a dick. The history of Ireland is pretty much "and then the English decided to gently caress things up" though, and Royalists have to take their share of blame in that one. OwlFancier posted:Come the gently caress on "Dane Strangler" is not a US policy wonk it's a profession in the 10th century. 
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feedmegin posted:He started a new job at Manchester Uni just before the covids. So yeah its basically Owen Jones and that's it now. Aditya Chakrabortty is also pretty good.
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OwlFancier posted:Come the gently caress on "Dane Strangler" is not a US policy wonk it's a profession in the 10th century. Perhaps they were having a recession in the 10th century and someone saw a business opportunity?
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ronya posted:South Korea is not relying on the Apple-Google model - it has avoided the app model entirely in favour of much more invasive contact tracing - under Korean law contact tracers can demand everything from CCTVs, mobile phone location signal data (not bluetooth - tower geolocation), credit card reports, and public transit records I know you deleted it, but the fact people have the choice to share their data with the Google API (I assume the Apple one is the same) is a positive thing - the government doesn't get to track exactly what everyone is doing at all times, you only send that information if you're diagnosed with COVID and you choose to share it. If anything that seems like it would make it more effective - you'll have better adoption if people have trust in the system, and most people will probably release that data on request otherwise they probably wouldn't bother installing the app. And it means that those who don't want to share it can still install the app, and get notified if someone they were in contact with gets diagnosed and releases their data This country definitely isn't adverse to putting a cheeky bit of CCTV here and there, the simpler explanation that reflects literally everything so far is still that they don't actually want to do this properly, because taking the pandemic seriously means people not Getting Back To Work. Good contact tracing means people isolating as a precautionary measure... but hey if they don't know they spent 30 minutes in the supermarket behind the Virus King, where's the harm? They'll probably be fine, so long as they continue to Stay Alert and Control the Virus don't let it control you, get it?
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baka kaba posted:I know you deleted it, but the fact people have the choice to share their data with the Google API (I assume the Apple one is the same) is a positive thing - the government doesn't get to track exactly what everyone is doing at all times, you only send that information if you're diagnosed with COVID and you choose to share it. I posted it here - ronya posted:the Apple/Google infra critically doesn't allow the govt to identify who has been in contact - it notifies the user who can then voluntarily notify public health authorities (when one has no real reason to do so - one can voluntarily self-isolate, and if one isn't intending to do so, then why report it). When added to low takeup levels, achieving 60% coverage is implausible But yes, in some cultural contexts this would cross too many privacy norm lines. The notable aspect is that this government - not normally thought to shy away from testing the limits - is refusing to even raise the question. Resistance to surveillance is not a notably dry Tory value... The speculation that increased privacy commitments would improve takeup was much suggested in Australia and it seems to be wholly false. Rather, large numbers of people just look to other thought leaders to justify apathy and casual conspiracism It's still the case, I think, that voluntary notification reduces the takeup rate too far - one can argue that it's worth it in some privacy-preserving sense, of course. But it seems obvious that it does have a reducing effect and idea of some kind of Privacy Laffer Curve here seems implausible.
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Guavanaut posted:Probably mainly because he was a dick and because of beliefs that the Pope was on the side of the Royalists, also because there's a huge Again, you can just admit you were wrong rather than digging a deeper hole and moving the goalposts.
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Also, being a genocidal racist is just being a dick now?
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My Irish history teacher in secondary school had some pretty strong opinions on Cromwell and the ban on Christmas was the least of them let me tell you. So lol that this thread has someone defending him.
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You have to respect being that consistently atheistic in that old anticlerical sense though defending the honour of Cromwell as a proxy for defending the Jacobin ethic a century later ronya fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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The Deleter posted:So lol that this thread has someone defending him. Finally the UKMT found an opinion stupid enough to make me post again
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Jun 18, 2020 17:27
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In other, more heartwarming news Chuck Tingle continues to be amazing.
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Don't defend Cromwell, he was a bag of shite.
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I wonder if he ever wins a hugo whether he will just add it to the number of times he was a finalist.
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ronya posted:I posted it here - my mistake  ronya posted:But yes, in some cultural contexts this would cross too many privacy norm lines. The notable aspect is that this government - not normally thought to shy away from testing the limits - is refusing to even raise the question. Resistance to surveillance is not a notably dry Tory value... Like I said, it's not weird that the goverment isn't raising the question of surveillance if you assume this is mostly theatre anyway. Surveillance is big and scary, that's like a serious government taking a serious problem seriously. Instead we have "just be careful" and you might get a nice british phone call. There might even be an app, the cherry on top, the millennials will enjoy that! The tone it sets is very different If we're being charitable and assuming the app was actually a good-faith effort and not a way to waste time and divert some public money to connected people, well there's your surveillance - the government planning to put a government tracking system on people's phones, when an off-the-shelf version was already in place (integrated with the phones' software in fact) which did everything they needed but with privacy measures outside of their control It'd be interesting to see data on whether making "send data" voluntary actually reduces takeup - really you're talking opt-in at the point where you have the virus and maybe want to help others (or spite them by pressing the quarantine button) versus opt-in at the point of installing the app. I'd argue it's easier to convince people to do something once they're already involved, where you can bring them in with benefits and no commitments, instead of requiring them to be all-in from the outset. I mean... that's how marketing works innit I doubt I'd be installing the App Mancock app tbh!!
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ronya posted:You have to respect being that consistently atheistic in that old anticlerical sense though I'm not defending him, because his actions in Ireland aren't defensible (unless you go full "by the standards of warfare at the time" route, in which case it's odd that Ireland gets worse standards, because part of the reason for Charles I's execution was his horrific sieges), I'm saying that this sort of poo poo and worse carried on under far more English monarchs. Like, remove his statue and replace it with one of Charles I's execution to serve as an equal reminder of 'Royalists started this' and 'we can do this poo poo again' without glorifying Cromwell, but also take down King Billy and the other assholes too. It's sad that we could have had a Republic but we hosed it up so bad that everyone loves the monarchy now, and Cavaliers get romanticized as the good guys despite, like, the Rape of Leicester and starting the transatlantic slave trade. Also Jacobins and Spanish anarchists did nothing wrong etc. etc.
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I donated blood yesterday. At the moment they are interested in people who have had coronavirus (either confirmed or had the symptoms) and you can donate your plasma https://www.nhsbt.nhs.uk/how-you-can-help/convalescent-plasma-clinical-trial/ Unfortunately my veins weren't thick enough to donate plasma, but I got to donate blood. I also registered on the bone marrow register - last time I asked I didn't pass the test as they had to put a needle into your hip bone to extract that delicious blood juice, but they've changed it now so you get injected with stuff that encourages your stem cells into overdrive and they suck it out a few days later. https://www.nhsbt.nhs.uk/british-bone-marrow-registry/ It's a good cause, especially with bone marrow, so if you have the time go and give some blood.
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Mebh posted:In other, more heartwarming news Chuck Tingle continues to be amazing. really hoping this is extremely quotable
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baka kaba posted:You think maybe the "statues" thing is bringing in a lot of randos who are looking for an excuse to shout and kick off? With all the lockdown/distancing stuff, and now ARE STATUES, I wonder if a lot of people are just showing up because they're angry about something and bulking up the numbers Glasgow has seen a big rise in loyalist organising through an org called Scottish Protestants Against Discrimination off the back of a variety of public campaigns to stop Orange Walks in the city. This encompassed orange lodges, football casuals and the far right with a lot of intersection between the three. Its obviously a well developed communications network that was able to to outnumber us on the day. From what I could see from the front the crowd skews younger than what traditional fash like the Scottish Defence League (who have rebranded themselves as the National Defence League) would be able to assemble at relatively short notice. Numbers were also larger than anything I've seen outside of a proper Walk as well. Glasgow has a long tradition of antifascist organising but lacks the network that SPAD does. They'll be feeling emboldened by yesterday and i wouldn't hesitate to say that any political action in the city will be a major target for them going forward.
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baka kaba posted:really hoping this is extremely quotable e: "Scottish Protestants Against Discrimination" so the support not having sectarian banners then? 
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Mebh posted:In other, more heartwarming news Chuck Tingle continues to be amazing. Well, that's just solved the question of what to get my friend for her birthday next month
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Momentum chat: the elections are on and I'd like to solicit advice before I do anything irrevocable. I know next to nothing about any of them, and the 'questions to candidates' didn't reveal anything significant. I generally believe in slate voting (and the last NEC elections have only strengthened this view). Forward Momentum seem more keen on internal democracy than Momentum Renewal (described as the 'continuity' campaign) so I am tempted to go for them. They are supported by McDonnell, which seems good even though he was less radical as Shadow Chancellor than I hoped. But I notice that Jennifer Forbes is on their SW slate and I think Spangly had serious reservations about her. Does anyone have views?
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Oh dear me posted:Momentum chat: the elections are on and I'd like to solicit advice before I do anything irrevocable. I know next to nothing about any of them, and the 'questions to candidates' didn't reveal anything significant. I did phonebanking for Forward Momentum. They have great, important ideas, and Oldmentum was too institutionally incompetent for me to go for the continuity slate of Momentum Renewal. I can't believe they'll give local branches the support they need because I was requesting it without success for two whole years after our branch collapsed.
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For those people heavily invested in my partner's lovely boss and the time-travelling holidays: Good news! She sent the sternly-worded email yesterday evening and around lunchtime today got a reply from her boss in a tone I'd describe as business grovelling apologising for the misunderstanding and asking her to instead take eight days of holiday a couple of weeks from now, with uncharacteristically extensive quotes from company policy that implied he'd received a very serious talking-to from HR and/or the general manager for his cavalier loving about. Partner is absolutely delighted to have got her holiday back but even more happy to have got one over on the lovely gaslighting boss. Cheers for your advice all 
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TACD posted:For those people heavily invested in my partner's lovely boss and the time-travelling holidays: Good news! She sent the sternly-worded email yesterday evening and around lunchtime today got a reply from her boss in a tone I'd describe as business grovelling apologising for the misunderstanding and asking her to instead take eight days of holiday a couple of weeks from now, with uncharacteristically extensive quotes from company policy that implied he'd received a very serious talking-to from HR and/or the general manager for his cavalier loving about.  Good news there.
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Oh dear me posted:Momentum chat: the elections are on and I'd like to solicit advice before I do anything irrevocable. I know next to nothing about any of them, and the 'questions to candidates' didn't reveal anything significant. Jennifer Forbes completely blew up her own campaign. Her and the paid campaigner were terrible and she's an awful person. I was living in a guest house provided by friends she's known for about a decade who could only repeatedly apologise, not themselves knowing what the gently caress was happening. She blew most of the budget on posters with her face because she didn't like the generic designs head office had come up with, we were told to pull rallies out of our arses with no budget, and we loving did. She was so pissed she banned us from organising anything but doorknocking under the labour banner (which wasn't a valid threat to me or my partner really, but we couldn't run poo poo ourselves). After we told her that we'd been given dozens of final warnings that there was going to be no more constant doorknocking run by a freshly graduated idiot who didn't ever list contact details, locations or show up herself, she flipped the gently caress out in the middle of a pub and stormed off shouting that we'd all betrayed her. I'm pretty certain we were filmed I think most of the CLP organising committee voted lib dim. I would've. I've never seen a single person so responsible for such widespread burnout, and I was regularily being told "yeah this is someone who's been organising for decades but gently caress em". Now admittedly, the position I was in meant that I was actually reading and responding to the burnout emails so maybe this is normal but hoooooooly gently caress she's toxic. FM's campaign has involved throwing a lot of bullshit at their opponents. Other than "they're maybe liars" and "they want Jen Forbes, who must never be allowed to run for MP again" I can't help.
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Even putting his crimes in Ireland aside (and we really shouldn't do that), it's weird that Cromwell is lionised here because he was also terrible for Britain. He was a brutal military dictator who was every bit as bad as any king, and even handed power to his son when he died. He was so terrible that they actually brought the monarchy back when he copped it. If he hadn't been so poo poo we'd probably be a republic now.
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Kinda love how the government is at this point a series of serial grifters and charlatans being led by the worlds most melted candle somehow trying to convince the British public that we really need two royal yachts that MPs can use because you can’t trust hotel rooms not to be full of cameras these days while you’re hosting your Thai sex worker empowerment event. Good grief.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Even putting his crimes in Ireland aside (and we really shouldn't do that), it's weird that Cromwell is lionised here because he was also terrible for Britain. He was a brutal military dictator who was every bit as bad as any king, and even handed power to his son when he died. He was so terrible that they actually brought the monarchy back when he copped it. If he hadn't been so poo poo we'd probably be a republic now. Also worth noting he ossentisbly started the civil war because the king was essentially doing personal rule via ruling by rump parliament against the “law” (the magna carta, lol) and then after he won found he was so unpopular he also had to run a rump Parliament before dissolving Parliament completely and taking direct control. Truly a great man to restore democracy so well!!!
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TACD posted:For those people heavily invested in my partner's lovely boss and the time-travelling holidays: Good news! She sent the sternly-worded email yesterday evening and around lunchtime today got a reply from her boss in a tone I'd describe as business grovelling apologising for the misunderstanding and asking her to instead take eight days of holiday a couple of weeks from now, with uncharacteristically extensive quotes from company policy that implied he'd received a very serious talking-to from HR and/or the general manager for his cavalier loving about. Great justice has been achieved!
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