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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Halley Gross is also a cowriter on this Yeah, it shows
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I get the sense that Druckmanns favorite "Netflix and chill" movie is Son of Saul.
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Eimi posted:It was Andromeda that killed my hope, at least of decent LGBT characters, because every LGBT character was handled poorly at best. Though I would love to see DA4 and have it be good but... I think one thing people forget about angst is it still has to make it's point well. If that point is poo poo sucks and nothing matters you as a writer have to point in the work well. Unfortunately the writers TLOU2 is working with are not those writers. Misery porn can be done well but it's like raunchy jokes or gallows humor. It's really easy to screw it up and just please no one.
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BigglesSWE posted:I get the sense that Druckmanns favorite "Netflix and chill" movie is A Serbian Film
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Jun 19, 2020 00:18
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hi im An Tran and im here to say i watched the video of lev's cutscenes and if you think it's good then you're a loving dingus!!!
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chaser lowtax posted:hi im An Tran and im here to say i watched the video of lev's cutscenes and if you think it's good then you're a loving dingus!!! wrong, i'm a loving dingus and i do not think those cutscenes are good
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Brother Entropy posted:wrong, i'm a loving dingus and i do not think those cutscenes are good perhaps you are less dingus than you might think
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DancingShade posted:Devastatingly chill. Idk if ill ever be ready
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Brother Entropy posted:wrong, i'm a loving dingus and i do not think those cutscenes are good
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Jun 19, 2020 01:10
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I'm going to play this game and probably have fun with it, but the story is in fact dumb as hell. It's supposed to be about how revenge is bad, right? But Abby got her revenge and at the end, she gets to leave with her boyfriend and she has all of her body parts. Ellie lets Abby live, but gets two fingers bitten off (meaning she can no longer play the guitar Joel got for her, something she loved to do) and she also lost her girlfriend because of the dumb revenge cycle. IMO, it sounds like you're better off getting revenge. Edit: like if there is actually a Part III they seriously need to do something for her for a payoff for her not taking her revenge, especially right after getting her fingers bitten off. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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Brother Entropy posted:wrong, i'm a loving dingus and i do not think those cutscenes are good You are making a converse error 
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Nail Rat posted:I'm going to play this game and probably have fun with it, but the story is in fact dumb as hell. It's supposed to be about how revenge is bad, right? But Abby got her revenge and at the end, she gets to leave with her boyfriend and she has all of her body parts. Ellie lets Abby live, but gets two fingers bitten off (meaning she can no longer play the guitar Joel got for her, something she loved to do) and she also lost her girlfriend because of the dumb revenge cycle. IMO, it sounds like you're better off getting revenge. Far be it from me to defend this game but at a certain point if the cycle of revenge is going to be stopped someone's going to have to walk way with one more eye than the other, not having Ellie be able to make a hint of progress with her guitar as a little hopeful note at the end was just salting the earth though.
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So I decided "maybe I've been a harsh judge just from leak footage I watched, just from other stuff I've seen, maybe I should give, it a fair honest view." So I watched a stream of the first 4 hours. This game is so loving boring. Holy poo poo. It's not even awful enough to laugh at, it's just dull, I actually fell asleep and it's MORNING, I slept well last night, I got up at a good time, and I just fell asleep and when I woke up we were still loving around Seattle doing pointless bullshit. Whoever the gently caress at Naughty Dog decided "We should have open-ended sections, where you can plod around and scavenge" was a fool. Because I'm supposed to buy into Ellie being so mad as to go on this cross-country revenge quest- Side note, back with TLOU 1, that's what they wanted to do, and came to the conclusion, it would be too stupid to do that plot. And this game is 3 Cross Country Revenge quests so far! So they looked at the plot they decided was too loving stupid to do, and decided "Let's triple it, and that'll make it good." - but she's so dull, she's just mumbling and acting completely not even happy, not sad just... expositing her and Dina's backstory all the time, and it's like... I've never been more bored, she sounds bored, so why should I buy into her emotions. This isn't a game that isn't fun because it's uncomfortable or making my stomach turn. It is tremendously dull, large swathes of nothing. I almost completely stopped watching the moment someone in chat pointed Skate 4 got announced because I was way more excited for Skate 4!
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Onmi posted:
Sounds like it works as intended, according to the director of the game!
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lurker2006 posted:Ellie finally has an opportunity to fulfill her ultimate revenge after presumably killing hundreds of people over the course of the game, including an injured, fat guy she executes in the prior scene, but she has a momentary flashback to Joel at the last second and decides to spare Abby... after just getting her fingers bitten off. She then returns home to find her gf has left her and she can no longer play the guitar due to her injury. Wait wait, so she gets her remaining two fingers bit off, so that she has none on that hand? Sucks. Well, she'll never be a R L Bunside, though she can still put a butter knife in her thumb and play like CeDell Davis Jack B Nimble fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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Jun 19, 2020 01:59
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BigglesSWE posted:Sounds like it works as intended, according to the director of the game! I was fascinated and hooked in to and entranced by Death Stranding, a game about delivering packages, and a game in which the limited amount of combat in that game, was not fun, and I was enjoying myself and riveted the entire way through. Detroit: Too human is more interesting than TLOU 2. And that game is terrible, but it was terrible enough to be hilarious Like... I've always held this opinion, be excellent, or be terrible because the greatest crime is being boring. Neither of those two games are ones I would describe as fun, in fact Detroit is a bad game, in almost every regard. But I still watched it start to finish like one would watch a horrible movie. TLOU 2, not as poo poo as David Cage, but it wishes it was.
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Onmi posted:Like... I've always held this opinion, be excellent, or be terrible because the greatest crime is being boring. lol
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So im watching some stream and Levi is calling a flametrower a dragon weapon i mean come on Druckmann "i tarzan, you jane" was too lowbrow for your native character?
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Oh my god, it goes into the sex scene by them having an argument about torturing their parents' killers to death and they start shoving and grappling then suddenly make out and he bends her over like what VagueRant fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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I can't tell if he's actually a bad character or not but I feel like everything gets extremely weird when Owen's on the screen
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Onmi posted:I was fascinated and hooked in to and entranced by Death Stranding, a game about delivering packages, and a game in which the limited amount of combat in that game, was not fun, and I was enjoying myself and riveted the entire way through. Death Stranding is a good game to compare it against because Death Stranding is a game in which the world ended and people are going "Welp, that sucks, let's make this better, because we have to live here." while TLOU 1and 2 are games where the world has ended and everyone is a small minded, mean, petty rear end in a top hat who'd always fail to understand the prisoner's dilemma on purpose and would probably fail the mirror test too. Basically DS is hopeful and TLOU is reactionary wank. SIGSEGV fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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Jun 19, 2020 02:24
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SIGSEGV posted:Death Stranding is a game to compare it against because Death Stranding is a game in which the world ended and people are going "Welp, that sucks, let's make this better, because we have to live here." while TLOU 1and 2 are games where the world has ended and everyone is a small minded, mean, petty rear end in a top hat who'd always fail to understand the prisoner's dilemma on purpose and would probably fail the mirror test too. Goddammit, do I need to play Death Stranding?
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lurker2006 posted:Far be it from me to defend this game but at a certain point if the cycle of revenge is going to be stopped someone's going to have to walk way with one more eye than the other, not having Ellie be able to make a hint of progress with her guitar as a little hopeful note at the end was just salting the earth though. Yeah no for sure. I get that she was being the bigger person, but she didn't just lose one more thing. She lost her lover, part of her body, and the ability to play the guitar that was a reminder of the father she'd lost (and that she liked playing). That was such a loving downer ending. They need to, if there's a sequel, give her some kind of a payoff for her being able to walk away when there was all that, otherwise the mercy feels pointless and maybe even ill-advised. And poo poo...there are people with that many fingers who play. A chord is 3 notes*. You've got 3 fingers. Don't give up after five minutes, christ! *minus things like seventh notes but you can tune strings differently so you can get those 4 notes with 3 fingers if the song calls for it, come on. The guitar thing just is overly sad and really pointlessly negative.
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Watched a stream of the first four hours as well (PatStaresAt) and I wanted my “misery game” and it was just boredom. Game journalists make a stink about violence and dog killing and there was barely any so far.
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Nail Rat posted:Yeah no for sure. I get that she was being the bigger person, but she didn't just lose one more thing. She lost her lover, part of her body, and the ability to play the guitar that was a reminder of the father she'd lost (and that she liked playing). That was such a loving downer ending. They need to, if there's a sequel, give her some kind of a payoff for her being able to walk away when there was all that, otherwise the mercy feels pointless and maybe even ill-advised. Or she could learn to play left handed and grab the pick with her fully functional three fingers? Goddamit Druckmann is totally going to make her play a left handed guitar and call it s y m b o l i s m right?
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Zeta Acosta posted:Or she could learn to play left handed and grab the pick with her fully functional three fingers? Exactly, that was my first thought. Just restring the guitar backwards. You already learned to play pretty well in 4 years. Just do again, this time you know the theory. You can also do most fingerstyle with a thumb and the first two fingers so really she'd be fine there. ALSO, she could easily fashion a slide or thimble of some kind to go on her pinky stump and effectively give her another finger. gently caress. This is just so stupid! There are so many ways around this problem but she just nopes out after five minutes of trying.
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Zeta Acosta posted:Or she could learn to play left handed and grab the pick with her fully functional three fingers? pfffft she’s gonna learn to play django style and part 3 is gonna be the really funny bad one and star sofia coppola e: for real i would rather learn alternate tunings over switching lefty/righty, it’s not as simple as flipping the strings
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Sofia was the least of Godfather 3 problems
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in The Last of Us Part 3 she will have a guitar that is really a gun
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yeah ur not going to just switch hands it doesnt work like that
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Stux posted:yeah ur not going to just switch hands it doesnt work like that You do if you have no choice. If you lose your right hand you don't go "well I guess I don't open doors, I'm not gonna do it with my left hand." Both hands get really dexterous if you play a lot. Your left hand can actually do things your right can't from fretting strings (fingers move more independently). You could totally relearn to play the other way. It would take years though. I'll shut up now though, this is just detracting from the fact this is a dumb bad game and I'm sorry.
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Zeta Acosta posted:Sofia was the least of Godfather 3 problems Honestly the movie would have been fine if it was 80 minutes long. A decent story padded out by the need to be a 3 hour prestige film. e: So in that vein TLOU3 is gonna be a Phantom Pain style 100 hour no ending slog-athon
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The pacing and structure of the storytelling is a real mess. I wonder if they'd done it in some kind of chronological order it would've actually worked better? For one thing, spending the time with the dog first, BEFORE it gets killed by the other character seems like it'd be much more effective. Not sure what you have to gain by spoilering your own story. Then again, it'd also make sense if it was a player driven action, maybe even optional so it could really hurt - instead of just another mandatory scripted sequence much like...well, Joel stabbing the doctor. I'm mainly just gutted that like Uncharted 4, incredibly talented people ground themselves to the bone for this. Animators, artists, actors, everything. You've got these great emotive performances and just this empty sandwich of a story that like the characters, has basically nothing to say. And people will eat it up because it looks like a movie. But hey, Last Of Us 1 was always a weaker version of Telltale's Walking Dead, it just got a lot more attention because it had better graphics.
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Sudden Loud Noise posted:Goddammit, do I need to play Death Stranding? I really liked Death Stranding, and the music choices were really good. Also, another game that just like "Got across the feeling of misery and crushing pain, while also being really enthralling" was Papers Please. You're playing a border man, and it's so riveting to play. To check passports and peoples backgrounds and try to do your job so your family doesn't go hungry or sick OR do you take the citation for letting through this person who just wants to be with their wife, or do you think they're a terrorist? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0IZJD0jayQ I've always liked Ray Navarez Jr. so he's got a full stream of the game (in fact two full playthroughs) up from his twitch streams and yeah, just like sucked me right in.
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Godfather should have dropped the vatican and the incest cousin plots and maybe you have something. But the performances were all bad.
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VagueRant posted:But hey, Last Of Us 1 was always a weaker version of Telltale's Walking Dead, it just got a lot more attention because it had better graphics. Quality notwithstanding, lol it has nothing in common with that game except zombies and sadness.
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I mean the "tactical realism" of guitar playing can take a backseat to thematic symbolism lol, this is the same quagmire you get into with the scientific feasibility of the cure, except stupider
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I mean the "tactical realism" of guitar playing can take a backseat to thematic symbolism lol, this is the same quagmire you get into with the scientific feasibility of the cure, except stupider Nah because the symbolism is that she's already lost a bunch but hey, guess what, here's one more big down note to end on. It's the placement of it that makes it especially unnecessary. That should be the point of the game where there should be at least some tiny ray of hope but no, your life sucks Ellie, you're a complete failure in every way! edit: like it kind of seems like after she let Abby go, she should have just drowned herself, honestly. Because there's nothing for her to look forward to - nothing for her to live for, and they make sure to hammer that home, and that she's not even going to try. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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Its not symbolism its Neil jerking off on screen HEY GUYS THIS IS SAD! DO YOU GET IT!
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