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the_enduser posted:So glad I read this thread, was almost about to buy this game lmao How can you not buy this game?!? It got 10/10 or 5/5 by everyone who was able to bank their cheques on time. We can trust them to maintain the highest levels of impartiality.
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henpod posted:Probably not as this is far too balanced amongst 10/10 reviews and the hatred from the rest who got angry that their video game character dad got killed. Joel is already trending, man when people hit the end of this. I kind of forgot that most people actively avoided leaks. We'll know how bad or positive the reaction to the ending is when Ellie starts trending DaiJiaTeng posted:So it seems to me that it's just run-of-the-mill mediocre AAA game that doesn't deserve the praise or the scorn its getting, simply because its mediocrity doesn't even merit a discussion in the first place. If this had been a title unconnected with ND or TLOU franchise, it would probably be forgotten pretty quickly. Anyone else has had such a reaction? This is the same thing that happened with DMC reboot. If it hadn't been a DMC people wouldn't have even remembered it but because it was it brings all this baggage because people have attachments to the characters. Hell if it was set in the same universe but didn't involve Ellie and Joel they probably could've gotten less blowback.
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Fat_Cow posted:So in TLOU 3 when we have QTE to skin someone alive for misery porn should it be button prompts or motion controls? TLOU 3: Ellie vs Predator sounds rad
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SirKibbles posted:Joel is already trending, man when people hit the end of this. I kind of forgot that most people actively avoided leaks. We'll know how bad or positive the reaction to the ending is when Ellie starts trending I didn't see Joel, but 
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Fat_Cow posted:So in TLOU 3 when we have QTE to skin someone alive for misery porn should it be button prompts or motion controls? I'm hoping for a scene where you have to repeatedly cannibalise your trusted companion after they're rendered functionally brain dead (but still alive) after an unlucky cave in while you wait weeks for rescue. This sequence will last an hour or two by itself. It will be a QTE controlled using bundled motion controls attached to a groinal harness setup. Think of the ground breaking flesh & organ rendering technology they can muster after a few years of dedicated crunch time.
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Archer666 posted:TLOU 3: Ellie vs Predator sounds rad now this is the writing direction they should've gone in JOEL: nononono babygirl, no— you’ve got to do one thing for me. Okay? Just do this one thing. Promise me. ELLIE: [crying] Joel, no I—- gently caress, okay— okay— JOEL: I need you to listen real close, babygirl. I need you to do this for me. ELLIE: okay, I promise. JOEL: Rip and tear, until it is done. The only thing they fear is you sweetie.
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Phobophilia posted:I don't think this was intentional, the intent was to make something with broad appeal to both being woke (queer female protagonist) and edgy (ridiculous levels of cruelty and violence). Except the chuds are mad at the attempt at wokeness and reading the story through the most ridiculously decontextualized lens possible, and the wokes aren't happy that the story is completely 2edgy4u. How about the core audience (from the first game) being mad that after 30 hours abby basically teabags ellie repeatedly and then there's that whole guitar scene just to completely humiliate Ellie as if what she's been through and forgiving Abby wasn't enough? I'm guessing there will be a DLC or TLOU3 that smoothes this over but gently caress, I am hard pressed to think of any game with such a downer ending without a single hint of hope. quote:So it seems to me that it's just run-of-the-mill mediocre AAA game that doesn't deserve the praise or the scorn its getting, simply because its mediocrity doesn't even merit a discussion in the first place. If this had been a title unconnected with ND or TLOU franchise, it would probably be forgotten pretty quickly. Anyone else has had such a reaction? Well you can't just pretend it's not ND. You can't just pretend it's not TLOU. I mean it basically begins with the epilogue scene they did for that "live event" they said they'd never show elsewhere. You can pretend this game never happened, which for right now is the best for the IP IMO. They still could make a third and final game that makes this all pay off but it's gonna be hard. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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the_enduser posted:So glad I read this thread, was almost about to buy this game lmao Really? Fanboys poo poo up the Xbox thread a lot but that's allowed. I wonder which mod is the console warrior. Anyways, haven't booted the game up yet but I saw on Twitter that the trailer scene with Joel helping Ellie was fake and it was a different character so that sucks. Then again they did the same misdirection with the first game and that shot where it looks like Joel got infected. Seeing the screenshot comparisons of Druckmann's self-insert into the game is weird and gross, though. Fella has issues. I've done the preload but don't really know if I wanna play any more since I like bad endings done right (legit think the extended cut of Alien 3 owns, and more recently Portrait of a Lady on Fire was incredible) but at the same time I really don't want my memories of the first TLOU soured and ND have been pretty poor this gen following all the departures from the studio. Since it became the Druckmann show their games are just kinda... mediocre at best? Wonder how things would have turned out if Druckmann hadn't pushed others away and their work culture didn't make the rest up and leave.
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SUNKOS posted:Really? Fanboys poo poo up the Xbox thread a lot but that's allowed. I wonder which mod is the console warrior. I don't know what it is but very early on the mods said they weren't going to allow linking to leaks or explicit discussions of leaks for this one game. It was very strange.
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Nail Rat posted:I don't know what it is but very early on the mods said they weren't going to allow linking to leaks or explicit discussions of leaks for this one game. It was very strange. I think that was because Sony has been extremely DMCA happy about this title, taking down tons of stuff, or attempting to, and lowtax didn't want to add legal battle with Sony to the list of things the forums have caused.
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Man this game's story fuckin sucks extremely bad like expected from the earlier stuff and it's a shame.
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uvar posted:I didn't see Joel, but our girl just keeps winning
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Didn't expect Joel to be dead 3 hours in. Should be interesting to see how the next 25 hours of wall to wall bloodshed jive with Ellie deciding revenge isn't worth it at the literal last second, in loving memory of a man who really really loving loved murder 
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Watching people who avoided spoilers collectively go "what the gently caress" has made for a really fun morning.
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dogstile posted:Watching people who avoided spoilers collectively go "what the gently caress" has made for a really fun morning. Spoiler dodging is a pointless endevour and all it does is hype something up for it to disapoint you hard. Looking at you, Netflix and all your anime content and LWA in particular. 
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So just out of curiosity, how does Abby react after Joel becomes the teeing ground on the 9th hole? Like, after she gets her revenge what's her reaction going forward emotionally/mentally?
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Hipster Occultist posted:So just out of curiosity, how does Abby react after Joel becomes the teeing ground on the 9th hole? Like, after she gets her revenge what's her reaction going forward emotionally/mentally? Satisfied. She doesn't even hesitate with Joel for a second even though not 5 seconds before he saved her life multiple times. Hell, she doesn't even check to make sure he's the Joel she's looking for before she blows off his kneecap with a shotgun. I'd have died laughing if after they finally went "Joel Miller" he went "Miller?" or something and came up with a fake last name. Maybe check first before shoot a man in the knee.
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It's okay I have a dirty bandage. Let me put your kneecap back on.
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DancingShade posted:It's okay I have a dirty bandage. Let me put your kneecap back on. Just gonna craft a new knee using a log and some screws!
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Onmi posted:Satisfied. She doesn't even hesitate with Joel for a second even though not 5 seconds before he saved her life multiple times. Hell, she doesn't even check to make sure he's the Joel she's looking for before she blows off his kneecap with a shotgun. I'd have died laughing if after they finally went "Joel Miller" he went "Miller?" or something and came up with a fake last name. Maybe check first before shoot a man in the knee. It's also funny because there is literally no build-up. We've seen Abby for maybe 15-20 minutes and she has no character development. She finds Joel completely by chance and by sheer circumstance lucks out by getting him back to her base. She then immediately knee caps him. Its the laziest "revenge" plot I've ever seen. Another problem is that we have no idea who Abby is, her motivations, her goals. We have no attachment or investment in the character. If you had half a game of build up where you actually feel something towards the character, maybe the moment where she gets her revenge would have had some impact.
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Onmi posted:Satisfied. She doesn't even hesitate with Joel for a second even though not 5 seconds before he saved her life multiple times. Hell, she doesn't even check to make sure he's the Joel she's looking for before she blows off his kneecap with a shotgun. I'd have died laughing if after they finally went "Joel Miller" he went "Miller?" or something and came up with a fake last name. Maybe check first before shoot a man in the knee. Ah, that's disappointing. That is pretty much the exact opposite reaction she should have. The psychological and paradoxical aspects of revenge seem to be ignored in favor of making these characters into hate elementals to justify the grimdark tone and ultra-violence, and the quality of the characters' personalities and stories suffer as a result. Or at least they seem to, from everything I've seen and read. Not to get all Pysch 101 here, but studies have shown that people who seek revenge actually make themselves feel worse, because instead of letting the issue go, dwelling on it to the extent that you'll do anything (up to and including murder) for that imaginary catharsis actually magnifies your trauma as you wallow around in a stew of negative emotions and thoughts. Not to mention that if you actually get your revenge, the end result is almost never a satisfying catharsis, but rather disappointment and emptiness. All that anger and malice that fueled your vengeful quest is gone, and what would a person feel once their purpose and the fuel that drove them was suddenly gone? The idea that your pain can only be assuaged with the suffering the person that caused is ludicrous, and its really a shame that this game seems to buy into that notion. I'd be far more impressed if Ellie's decision to let Abby go began a process of healing, instead of leaving her a miserable wreck. Y'know, if ND really wanted to tell a story about hate and revenge, there's a way to do that, and with good writing it could even be a captivating story. But this ain't that story.
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Reading about this game makes me sad because I thought the first game was a really nice character study of a sociopath, or at least a guy who acts like one to bury his grief. I hope beyond the dumb plot details there's something interesting like that here. Maybe I'll find out in a year or whenever it's cheap.
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Hipster Occultist posted:Ah, that's disappointing. That is pretty much the exact opposite reaction she should have. The psychological and paradoxical aspects of revenge seem to be ignored in favor of making these characters into hate elementals to justify the grimdark tone and ultra-violence, and the quality of the characters' personalities and stories suffer as a result. Or at least they seem to, from everything I've seen and read. It's funny, because again, this is Neil Druckmann talking about The Last of Us 1. quote:"What's interesting is that, originally in the story Tess took more of a villain role," Druckmann said. "Tess was betrayed by Joel and took on a mission to pursue him across the country. That storyline never worked out. The storyline shifted and Tess took on this role where she became more of a believer and she helped motivate Joel." For Naughty Dog themselves, they looked at TLOU 1 and went "Tess wouldn't go on a vendetta for a year." It's been... 10+ from TLOU 2? And this a game with 3 revenge vendettas across the country!
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DaiJiaTeng posted:It's also funny because there is literally no build-up. We've seen Abby for maybe 15-20 minutes and she has no character development. She finds Joel completely by chance and by sheer circumstance lucks out by getting him back to her base. She then immediately knee caps him. Its the laziest "revenge" plot I've ever seen. Another problem is that we have no idea who Abby is, her motivations, her goals. We have no attachment or investment in the character. If you had half a game of build up where you actually feel something towards the character, maybe the moment where she gets her revenge would have had some impact. Kind of makes sense if you're looking at it from joel's perspective though. Joel has no idea he's hated by her because he doesn't know she exists, he meets some rando and helps them survive then oops she hates you. Violence is bad you hurt people you don't know about and they want revenge blah blah
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ilmucche posted:Kind of makes sense if you're looking at it from joel's perspective though. Joel has no idea he's hated by her because he doesn't know she exists, he meets some rando and helps them survive then oops she hates you. Violence is bad you hurt people you don't know about and they want revenge blah blah Which is weird in and of itself because Joel's a selfish rear end in a top hat who wouldn't help anyone if it meant risking his neck, and the Blizzard+runner horde is like super dangerous bullshit that's not worth touching with a 50 foot pole.
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User Reviews on Metacritic are up and running and already at a spicy 3.3
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Hipster Occultist posted:So just out of curiosity, how does Abby react after Joel becomes the teeing ground on the 9th hole? Like, after she gets her revenge what's her reaction going forward emotionally/mentally? According to Twitter, so I've no idea if this is true or not since I'm not playing the game yet (we can still get refunds over here if we haven't played the game) but apparently after Joel dies, a character that looks just like Druckmann spits on Joel's corpse and then we have a sex scene with Abby. So if that is all true (who knows, it's Twitter, but the screenshot/photo comparison of the Druckmann self-insertion is confirmed as-is the sex scene, but not when the sex scene is) then apparently Abby's reaction killing Joel is to immediately get bent over and railed by a guy that looks just like Druckmann. This is what's on Twitter, anyways. It sounds too nuts to be real and who even knows at this point but there are screenshots.. If it is however, what the hell is Druckmann trying to accomplish here? I read that at the end Ellie shows mercy and Abby still does terrible things to her regardless so does Druckmann want everyone to hate trans people? Does he have some weird hate/fetish for them? If this stuff's real it's tragic that the first prominent trans character in a AAA video game ends up being a horrible person that everyone hates. And her character motivation is that Joel killed her father before he could take the life of a child. Who knows how many other kids that doctor cut up? I have vague memories of TLOU1 indicating they'd had others like Ellie, all of them died and they weren't able to get a cure from them.
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SUNKOS posted:According to Twitter, so I've no idea if this is true or not since I'm not playing the game yet (we can still get refunds over here if we haven't played the game) but apparently after Joel dies, a character that looks just like Druckmann spits on Joel's corpse and then we have a sex scene with Abby. So if that is all true (who knows, it's Twitter, but the screenshot/photo comparison of the Druckmann self-insertion is confirmed as-is the sex scene, but not when the sex scene is) then apparently Abby's reaction killing Joel is to immediately get bent over and railed by a guy that looks just like Druckmann. The scenes aren't together, Abby peaces out after I think Druckmann's insert boots Ellie in the head. I also don't think it's his insert who rails Abby, but I believe the sex scene happens after she and another character are arguing. Abby isn't trans, she doesn't do anything to Ellie after Ellie lets her go. There are, AFAIK two Ellie vs Abby fights. The first, Abby beats the poo poo out of Ellie and Dina, threatens to slice Dina's throat while she's pregnant and then is talked down by trans-male Liv. Ellie then turns around to go hunt Abby. I have heard rumors (but who knows with this bullshit) that Abby is pregnant in the battle against her. In that battle, Abby bites off two of Ellie's fingers.
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The neil druckmann self insert thing is a load of baloney please stop posting about it. Not only do those two scenes feature different characters, the dude people keep saying looks like druckmann like nothing like him
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CJacobs posted:The neil druckmann self insert thing is a load of baloney please stop posting about it The NPC absolutely looks like Neil Druckmann, if he didn't want to be mocked, he shouldn't have been a piece of poo poo. He does not rail Abby though, that needs to die.
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No he does not dude it's goon face blindness as usual
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CJacobs posted:The neil druckmann self insert thing is a load of baloney please stop posting about it. Not only do those two scenes feature different characters, the dude people keep saying looks like druckmann like nothing like him I'm just going off these, he even has the hair tied back in the same little bun  https://twitter.com/dodogonnnnnnnnn/status/1273710345086009345 https://twitter.com/BombrClood/status/1273849718888706048 Also fuckin' lol @ this: https://twitter.com/RedPillDuke/status/1273905681364590594 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Harrow posted:Really the idea of playing as two people who are each others' antagonists is pretty rad, it's just that, well, it's a pretty loving tough sell when you introduce one of them by having her brutally kill the main character from the first game whom you've presumably come to care about by now if you're playing the sequel in the first place. See Breath of Fire IV (2000) for a take on this idea that wasn't done by a manchild
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CJacobs posted:No he does not dude it's goon face blindness as usual Your goon face blindness.
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SUNKOS posted:I'm just going off these, he even has the hair tied back in the same little bun These tweets fuckin suck lmao
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https://t.co/smst2twjMz?amp=1 This brought me joy. Thanks Druckmann 
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it's ya boi red pill duke
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Cheap Diner Coffee posted:it's ya boi red pill duke
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