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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Basically. That isn't allowed anywhere in East Asia as far as I know but they'd have to actually catch you, which they won't. I've heard very occasional stories of people getting questioned about why they're entering and leaving so often. The bigger problem is how are you going to get a place to live? Healthcare? All that stuff isn't stable without a legal visa. The only people I know who have been long-term on tourist visas have a girlfriend who is a citizen/PR and they live with her, which doesn't fix all the problems but it at least gives you a base.

E: Also right now you have to consider being put into quarantine every entry or just not being able to travel at all. I have a friend who has been trapped in the Philippines for six months now.

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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
also, goldfish are delicious, they're basically just carp with more interesting coloration

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

GotLag posted:

The endless division into smaller and smaller intersections of subsets isn't an accident, it's the entire point of woke liberalism. It exists to prevent fellow-feeling except within the tiniest possible groupings, by encouraging people to take on every possible identity except economic class.

There is an entire sub forum full of this! Very nasty whenever it breaks quarantine. They do more damage to the left than the right does.

Blistex posted:

Two years ago I was listening to CBC radio while driving somewhere and they had a guest who was a big feminist trailblazer in the late 60s to the present day, who they were interviewing about why women voted for Trump despite it being (somewhat apparent that it was) against their best interests. Anyway, she was addressing the fractured nature of the left, and especially how extreme it gets when moving further left along the political scale. She cited a somewhat extreme (but in her opinion relevant) example of her observing this phenomenon years earlier before woke culture had a name (I don't believe she used the term woke).

Bloody hell. That is some serious self salami slicing she saw. The idea of solidarity was completely lost to them.


F

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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GotLag posted:

The endless division into smaller and smaller intersections of subsets isn't an accident, it's the entire point of woke liberalism. It exists to prevent fellow-feeling except within the tiniest possible groupings, by encouraging people to take on every possible identity except economic class.

class consciousness isn't real hth

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Dont Touch ME posted:

I've been looking online lately at some information regarding Taiwan, but I've been getting conflicting information and thought this thread might know better.

I was thinking about moving to Taiwan in 3 month stints until I could get permanent residency after the coronavirus stuff ends. I have a completely remote job for a company that only does business in the US, and I can't get a straight answer on how legal it is to be working remotely in another country, in Taiwan, on a visitor visa.

Some sources say it's perfectly fine and legal. Some sources say that it's not and I need a worker's visa. I don't plan on asking the Taiwanese economy for a job, ever. I know it'd be easy to hide the fact that I'm working over the internet, but I'd like to at least try to do things above board.

The AIT and BOCA's websites haven't been especially helpful in trying to figure out if that's allowed or not.

You're not getting permanent residency unless you're working a Taiwanese job. Working in Taiwan in "3 month stints" is called doing a visa run for a tourist visa, and you can only get residency from a work visa. What you would be doing is "legal" in the sense that many people do this, but it is generally frowned upon. Since COVID started, people with tourist visas having been getting month-to-month extensions for their last tourist visa:

https://www.mofa.gov.tw/en/News_Con...IdhAMoAiCvbjnE4


If you overstay that, you can ask for an extension (I think once...ever?) and if they catch you over-extended you're banned from the country. They are doing this because the number of flights, to any country (typically visa runs are to hong kong, which had flights back and forth every hour) are down like 90%, and you will need a mandatory 2 week quarantine whenever you enter the country.


https://www.immigration.gov.tw/5475/5478/141465/141808/152932/

To put it in simplier terms, getting a APRC (alien permanent residency card) means you need:

https://allhandstaiwan.com/blog/2019/02/18/opportunity-or-dilemma-work-aprc-vs-marriage-aprc/

quote:

First, the housekeeping for this topic. As you may know, there are (at least?) three ways to obtain an APRC in Taiwan. Here’s a quick, general breakdown of each:
The Foreign Professional APRC – Foreigners can apply for this permanent residency visa after living and working on a continuous ARC (changing companies is allowed) for five consecutive years, spending at least 183 days per year in Taiwan and earning at least double the Taiwan minimum wage over the course of the year. One unique benefit of this APRC is that the holder needs to only spend one day every five years in Taiwan to maintain it.
The Family-based APRC – As the spouse or child of a native Taiwanese citizen, one must reside in Taiwan for five consecutive years while registered for the Joint Family Residence Visa (JFRV) for over 183 days per year, or reside in Taiwan for 10 consecutive years for over 183 days in at least five of those years.
APRC Plum Blossom Program – This program is aimed at uniquely qualified, skilled professionals. For those deemed worthy, there are no minimum residency requirements, no income requirements, and no filing fees. (For the purpose of this article, this will be the only mention of the Plum Blossom APRC. Sidebar: I’ve never met anyone who’s been granted this kind of APRC.)

I've posted in the Taiwan thread about when I got my APRC about 4 years ago now. The immigration office has your exact records of when you came in and out of the country, and when your visa time lasped. One of my friends was 4 years and some months in when our school hosed up and delayed his paperwork by 3 days, it was a break in his visa, and his clock started over. Supposedly that is supported to be laxing soon but I haven't heard about it.

You could also try asking Qs here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/TaiwanAPRC/?hc_location=ufi

GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Jun 20, 2020

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Fojar38 posted:

class consciousness isn't real hth

lol ok lib

E:

GotLag fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Jun 19, 2020

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Regarding the fracturing of the left wing:

Politics is not the only place this happens. Slightly China related, as they recently had a border fight, here is an old Indian joke:

An American went on a 2-3 week holiday to India. He traveled all over the country and did many things etc. When he came back, his Indian co-worker asked him how he had enjoyed his vacation.

"Oh, I loved it. India is such a magnificent country."

The co-worker then asked what he thought of the Indian people.

"Didn't meet any."

"Really?!" The co worker replied, astonished.

"Yep. When I was in Calcutta I met some magnificent Bengalis. When I was in Chennai I met some wonderful Tamils. When I visited the Golden Temple, I met some amazing Sikhs. I went to Kashmir and had a fun time meeting some Punjabis. I met Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Brahmins, Dalits, Keralans, Goans, Kannadigas etc. But an Indian? Not a one."

This is a major reason why India will never be a superpower, because it is less a country, and more a loose conflagration of warring states.

But to the wider point, it is also an example of that feminist speaker showing how groups will always splinter.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

GotLag posted:

lol ok lib

E:


loving brain genius response here

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

oohhboy posted:

There is an entire sub forum full of this! Very nasty whenever it breaks quarantine. They do more damage to the left than the right does.

There's two, ack-chu-all-ee.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

loving brain genius response here

Absolutely gutted I don't meet with your approval

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


China's real mad about the Xinjiang bill. http://chinamediaproject.org/2020/06/19/china-fumes-over-us-xinjiang-bill/

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

”This so-called bill deliberately vilifies the human rights situation in China’s Xinjiang,” the commentary begins, “maliciously attacking the Chinese government’s policies in governing Xinjiang and flagrantly trampling on international law and the basic norms of international relations, amounting to gross interference in China’s internal affairs. The Chinese government and people express strong indignation and firm opposition to this.”

drat that's like 5 bingo spaces in one paragraph

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

GotLag posted:

lol ok lib

E:



drat dude, you and rush just killin it!!!

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
uh guys the right wing vernacular is "socialist" now and "Lib" is flung from further left by socialists

Oh and God forbid you get called a centrist good heavens

Shadow0
Jun 16, 2008


If to live in this style is to be eccentric, it must be confessed that there is something good in eccentricity.

Grimey Drawer

Blistex posted:

a big feminist trailblazer

All names, dates, and locations have been removed to protect anonimity and prevent me from looking this story up. :(

GoutPatrol posted:

Since COVID started, people with tourist visas having been getting month-to-month extensions for their last tourist visa

That's what I've been doing with my work visa since February. Every time I go in, I get worried I'll be denied and have only a couple days to book a flight. :ohdear:

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
There's a goon in Taiwan who has gone back and forth between 90 day landing exemptions and a student visa once or twice. No one ever really questions him.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Shadow0 posted:

All names, dates, and locations have been removed to protect anonimity and prevent me from looking this story up. :(

I want to say , Jessica, New York, and 03/04 but it was two years ago and I really only remember the :wtc: parts.

I can't even remember who the CBC host was. Sorry.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Atlas Hugged posted:

There's a goon in Taiwan who has gone back and forth between 90 day landing exemptions and a student visa once or twice. No one ever really questions him.

Yeah that could work, but I've never heard of someone being able to do that and get an APRC. That's work or marriage only.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

GoutPatrol posted:

Yeah that could work, but I've never heard of someone being able to do that and get an APRC. That's work or marriage only.

Correct. He's been in country long term doing that, but there's no way he can get an APRC.

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

Thanks all for the info, it is as I feared. I'm not going anywhere abroad until there's a COVID vaccine, anyways, so that's being kept out of my head for the time being.

If I decide I like Taiwan, and want to try and get permanent residency, I'm sure I'd be able to snag a job doing programming work for Google or something (they have an office in Taipei) and have that be my springboard for an APRC in the future. But to test the waters and see how I would enjoy living there, I had planned on a bit of a minimalist lifestyle and renting AirBnBs long term.


GoutPatrol posted:

Yeah that could work, but I've never heard of someone being able to do that and get an APRC. That's work or marriage only.

So the solution is clearly to become a skeezy sexpat and do the ol' marry a local twist. Jotting this down in my notes under "Plan B"

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Xinjiang Bill, the toughest cowpoke in the west.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Spouse visa is easier than passing Google's labyrinth of interviews.

Chikimiki
May 14, 2009

I just read an article on Vice that the CCP is harvesting Uighur organs to sell them on the black market, especially to the middle east. This sounds pretty outlandish (and Vice magazine may not be the most respectable publication) but given the recent Chinese history, is there any truth to that?
I mean, the concentration camps to which they admitted are already a huge human rights violation that would merit cutting the PRC out of all international relations (same as NK basically) but this is a whole other level of evil :ohdear:

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Chikimiki posted:

I just read an article on Vice that the CCP is harvesting Uighur organs to sell them on the black market, especially to the middle east. This sounds pretty outlandish (and Vice magazine may not be the most respectable publication) but given the recent Chinese history, is there any truth to that?
I mean, the concentration camps to which they admitted are already a huge human rights violation that would merit cutting the PRC out of all international relations (same as NK basically) but this is a whole other level of evil :ohdear:

That rumor has been floating around for like years now.

I definitely believe it.

Shadow0
Jun 16, 2008


If to live in this style is to be eccentric, it must be confessed that there is something good in eccentricity.

Grimey Drawer
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-harvesting-organs-of-uighur-muslims-china-tribunal-tells-un-2019-9

quote:

Reuters said China has insisted that it "stopped using organs from executed prisoners in 2015."

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007


“Stopped”

Preechr
May 19, 2009

Proud member of the Pony-Brony Alliance for Obama as President

MarcusSA posted:

“Stopped”
“...from executed prisoners...”

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
"in 2015"

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
"Insisted".

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






"."

Shadow0
Jun 16, 2008


If to live in this style is to be eccentric, it must be confessed that there is something good in eccentricity.

Grimey Drawer
""

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


The European bureau chief of state-owned China Daily has a keen eye for the details others might overlook:



He deleted it once he realized you aren't supposed to say the quiet part out loud.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
Can we raise another $10m to revoke Meng's bail?

The junk collector
Aug 10, 2005
Hey do you want that motherboard?

Chikimiki posted:

I just read an article on Vice that the CCP is harvesting Uighur organs to sell them on the black market, especially to the middle east. This sounds pretty outlandish (and Vice magazine may not be the most respectable publication) but given the recent Chinese history, is there any truth to that?
I mean, the concentration camps to which they admitted are already a huge human rights violation that would merit cutting the PRC out of all international relations (same as NK basically) but this is a whole other level of evil :ohdear:

It's not a black market. It's just a market. The rest of the details seems spot on.

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

Chikimiki posted:

I mean, the concentration camps to which they admitted are already a huge human rights violation that would merit cutting the PRC out of all international relations (same as NK basically) but this is a whole other level of evil :ohdear:

The US has bigger camp/prison system tho and explicitly uses it for ethnic terror and corporate profits

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

shovelbum posted:

The US has bigger camp/prison system tho and explicitly uses it for ethnic terror and corporate profits

America is also bad.

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

Weka posted:

America is also bad.

America commits the one unforgivable sin of being loving useless

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
It’s also lynching negroes!

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


ugh

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oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Chikimiki posted:

I just read an article on Vice that the CCP is harvesting Uighur organs to sell them on the black market, especially to the middle east. This sounds pretty outlandish (and Vice magazine may not be the most respectable publication) but given the recent Chinese history, is there any truth to that?
I mean, the concentration camps to which they admitted are already a huge human rights violation that would merit cutting the PRC out of all international relations (same as NK basically) but this is a whole other level of evil :ohdear:

100%. There have been very recent studies including the UN that straight up say China is harvesting organs from living people up to including killing them or leaving them to die. Their numbers are so BS they don't even pass the most cursory of inspection. You can get an organ within days. Everywhere else it could be weeks, years or never. It is a market not a black market. They favour Uighur because they don't eat pork, don't smoke or drink alcohol.

Uighur concentration camp has all the Nazi poo poo short of extermination. It's genocide. We should have sanctioned them ages ago but the higher ups still believed in "Engagement". There was a short stint where China more "Free" but Xi has set everything back decades if not all the way back to Mao in terms of personal power and oppression. They deserve every bit of poo poo thrown their way.

Ugh, now I am angry.

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