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Failed Imagineer posted:I'm torn, because this would have prevented the genius of the Clown College episode, but Krusty is mostly a terrible character except for a few classic episodes
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Krusty is gold when he's on point though. I always liked the horse racing bit.
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mind the walrus posted:I mean that's true of all the supporting characters really-- Moe, Skinner, Wiggum, Willie, Apu, Mr. Burns-- they're all literally stock fodder that only really work because they had such killer jokes channeled through them in the early years. Yeah you're right, it's when they started having multiple standalone episodes focused on extremely stock characters that it was clear they were totally out of ideas. I'm sure at some point in the last decade they've had multiple Bumblebee Guy episodes
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Jun 21, 2020 11:11
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The gently caress are you talking about? Krusty is top tier.
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Lizard Combatant posted:The gently caress are you talking about? Krusty is top tier. Even in the Golden Age it was obvious by the end of Season 4 that they only had like three jokes with him-- he's excessive, he's shameless, he's ridiculously self-absorbed. Oh he's also Jewish and ashamed to be Jewish, but that's not really a joke. Sometimes it works like "Bart Gets Famous" but "Bart the Fink" was when they proved that Krusty was tapped out. Then they did the stand-up episode and we all remember what a classic that was.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Krusty is gold when he's on point though. I always liked the horse racing bit. Going all in against the Harlem Globetrotters. "I thought the Generals were due!"
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mind the walrus posted:Even in the Golden Age it was obvious by the end of Season 4 that they only had like three jokes with him-- he's excessive, he's shameless, he's ridiculously self-absorbed. Oh he's also Jewish and ashamed to be Jewish, but that's not really a joke. Sometimes it works like "Bart Gets Famous" but "Bart the Fink" was when they proved that Krusty was tapped out. Then they did the stand-up episode and we all remember what a classic that was. You can boil every supporting character (and most of the main) to 3 distinctive characteristics. Bad simpsons is when they "expanded" them with relatives and backstory. Krusty is totally reprehensible and a joke machine. That's all he needs to be.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Krusty is gold when he's on point though. I always liked the horse racing bit.
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mind the walrus posted:Even in the Golden Age it was obvious by the end of Season 4 that they only had like three jokes with him-- he's excessive, he's shameless, he's ridiculously self-absorbed. Oh he's also Jewish and ashamed to be Jewish, but that's not really a joke. Sometimes it works like "Bart Gets Famous" but "Bart the Fink" was when they proved that Krusty was tapped out. Then they did the stand-up episode and we all remember what a classic that was. The one with the Canyonero, though?
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Jun 21, 2020 11:30
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A Simpsons-adjacent question: we know C. Montgomery Burns is hecka old, partially because his name is C. Montgomery Burns. I know that weird naming convention was a thing in the 1920's- when did it start? Why did it stop? What was the point of it?
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Jun 21, 2020 11:59
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Krusty is like a top 5 character wtf
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I assume it's from the days when the first born son would always get the same forename as their father, so the middle name was used to distinguish them. I have no sources to back me up though so 
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Lizard Combatant posted:You can boil every supporting character (and most of the main) to 3 distinctive characteristics. Bad simpsons is when they "expanded" them with relatives and backstory. Krusty is totally reprehensible and a joke machine. That's all he needs to be. AHH F/UGH posted:Krusty is like a top 5 character wtf
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mind the walrus posted:Yeah, that's the point though. He's not really a great character. He's a conduit. Swap his palette colors or change up his backstory and all of his best bits still work. Hell, Scrooge McDuck comes to mind as having the same thing going on, because a ludicrously wealthy morally dubious old guy can do anything.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I'm torn, because this would have prevented the genius of the Clown College episode, but Krusty is mostly a terrible character except for a few classic episodes https://youtu.be/zH18T2Jufzk It also would have ruined this bit. Look at the crowd closely. That's not Krusty, it's Homer disguised as Krusty. He was going to shoot Burns and frame Krusty but Maggie beat him to it.
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mind the walrus posted:Yeah, that's the point though. He's not really a great character. He's a conduit. Swap his palette colors or change up his backstory and all of his best bits still work. Iol what the hell does this even mean?
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Necrothatcher posted:Iol what the hell does this even mean? watching the funny cartoon sitcom and criticizing the characters for not being written like they're in mad men
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Jun 21, 2020 14:42
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Krusty is the one character who is written like he's on Mad Men 
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Tree Bucket posted:A Simpsons-adjacent question: we know C. Montgomery Burns is hecka old, partially because his name is C. Montgomery Burns. pretty sure they added the C to make it match Charles Foster Kane for the episode where he runs for governor, so it’s not necessarily an extra touch on how old he is. ...but as to your actual question i have no idea.
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Tree Bucket posted:A Simpsons-adjacent question: we know C. Montgomery Burns is hecka old, partially because his name is C. Montgomery Burns. An old tradition with rich families is for all the males to have the same first name and a different middle name (see Arrested Development for a modern example). So the first name gets to be abbreviated, cause everybody knows what it is anyway, and the second name becomes the "real" name.
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Benny Harvey posted:https://youtu.be/zH18T2Jufzk I think that, in the course of talking about older episodes and posting production notes on twitter in the last few months, the producers said that this was an accident— Krusty was just off-model there, it wasn’t in a script or in animation guides. It’s one of those things where they’re probably like “poo poo we should’ve done that on purpose.”
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This conversation is probably best saved for the other Simpsons thread (unless it becomes a meme) but the Simpsons character tier list top 5 goes 1. Mr. Burns 2. Homer 3. Principal Skinner 4. Krusty the Clown 5. (Tie) Milhouse, Lionel Hutz AHH F/UGH fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jun 21, 2020 |
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1. Troy McClure 2. Lionel Hutz 3. Mr. Burns 4. Homer 5. Milhouse/Bumblebee Man
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"What is Mr. Burns' first name?" would be a killer gotcha question for a Simpsons trivia night
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:"What is Mr. Burns' first name?" would be a killer gotcha question for a Simpsons trivia night 
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1. Lionel Hutz 2. Troy McClure 3. Lyle Langley 4. Jimmy Apollo 5. God
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Hank Scorpio
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Teddybear posted:I think that, in the course of talking about older episodes and posting production notes on twitter in the last few months, the producers said that this was an accident— Krusty was just off-model there, it wasn’t in a script or in animation guides. It’s one of those things where they’re probably like “poo poo we should’ve done that on purpose.” The Who Shot Mr Burns episode was written and animated very deliberately, to the point where it's actually possible to figure out the culprit from the first episode. (albeit it requires rewatching in a way that may not have been as convenient in the 90s, not to mention thinking a little outside the box and some knowledge of the show) Krusty is always drawn with the round fake nose, while Homer clearly has his painted red.
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mind the walrus posted:Yeah, that's the point though. He's not really a great character. He's a conduit. Swap his palette colors or change up his backstory and all of his best bits still work. Are you saying that jokes about Krusty being a wealthy and immoral children's entertainer would still work if he wasn't a wealthy and immoral children's entertainer? Like if Lou delivered Krusty's lines, it would just as intelligible and funny?
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Marge Simpson is the best character, you're not going to be able to change my mind on this.
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Jun 21, 2020 18:40
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What about Ol' Gil? 
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Marge Simpson is the best character, you're not going to be able to change my mind on this. I just think she's neat v  v
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BigDave posted:What about Ol' Gil? gil's fuckin garbage
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Lone Goat posted:gil's fuckin garbage
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I rewatched a few of the first Gil appearances, and I don’t hate him as much now as I did back then, but I do think of him as the harbinger of the rapid onset of Bad Simpsons
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