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Irony Be My Shield posted:To me having a group of insanely evil assholes who have to be slaughtered en-masse seems at odds with the 'revenge bad, consider the humanity of your enemies' theme. Like what if Joel's killer happened to be from one of the groups of irredeemable fuckers? Guess cross country revenge would've been good and cool then, it was just Ellie's bad luck that the killer was not a completely awful person? yeah, making them slavers is a cop out just as in tlou1, where it turns out that the people you're killing as ellie are cannibals led by a pedophile
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Infinitum posted:Yes the last page or so since reopening has been cool and good. I'm playing the game now so I'm gonna peace out this thread because I know enough spoilers and want some surprises still but wanted to comment on this quickly to say that the thread was always fine, all these posters are good and capable of civil discussion. The only difference right now is that Stux isn't here to troll as usual and the same goes for some other threads as well. I know you told him not to post until he's played the game (he'll be watching a Let's Play right now) but you're gonna get two weeks of civil discussion and no trouble. When Stux returns expect this and other threads to go down the toilet again but please remember it's not their fault, it's one person that keeps causing trouble and unfortunately some posters got baited into probations because of him. You and the mods are dealing with enough. If things go south again you only need to look at one person rather than scouring the thread when you should be resting and VideoGames should be enjoying the game without coming into a spoiler thread to figure out what's happening. If you get any reports again you'll know who and what the problem is now. Everyone here's chill and when I was more actively posting, disagreements were discussed in a civil manner with no issue outside of Stux literally trying to bait everyone. Game owns. Thread owns. Posters own. Mods own. Stux is a troll. Have a good one everyone, I'm off to enjoy the game some more 
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Jun 22, 2020 15:30
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Skippy McPants posted:Unless their opinions are bigoted, right? We’re still cool to dunk on those losers? Except this is SA, where low IQ posters like to equate a difference of opinion with hate sometimes. "I don't like this game because the combat is boring" "Of course you don't like this game because YOU'RE AN EVIL MONSTER YOU JERK!"
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Jun 22, 2020 15:35
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Dan Didio posted:I've good news for them. I’m not sure, if the game kills off one of the two characters that you’re looking forward to playing and then makes you play as the killer it’s obviously going to be about something else. And if you consider the grand themes of “the futility of revenge,” “let’s look at things from another perspective,” “Israel/Palestine,” and “subverting expectations” it seems to me that the something else is the director’s ego. So yeah I’m not surprised that people are choosing to pass on that trip.
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SUNKOS posted:Game owns. Thread owns. Posters own. Mods own. Stux is a troll. If Stux comes back into this thread and starts making GBS threads it back up, I can very much assure you he will be permanently removed from this thread and will likely be receiving a much harsher punishment for his trouble. He is not allowed back into this thread until he has played the game, which he has made clear he has no intention of doing so.
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Jun 22, 2020 15:49
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plasm posted:I’m not sure, if the game kills off one of the two characters that you’re looking forward to playing and then makes you play as the killer it’s obviously going to be about something else. If you were looking forward to playing Joel, then that's on you. That was never in the cards. He's still featured all the way throughout the game very heavily, it's very much a story that is about him as well as Ellie and Abby.
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Jun 22, 2020 15:58
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plasm posted:I’m not sure, if the game kills off one of the two characters that you’re looking forward to playing and then makes you play as the killer it’s obviously going to be about something else. And this is something I don't get, and I think it's tied to that's the great divide TLOU created. Why would anyone want to play again as Joel? Which Joel would've enjoyed playing as? Because the TLOU Joel is gone and would've never returned.
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I've just got to the flashback with Tommy. I feel like Ellie and Dina have zero chemistry together, so it's hard to give any sort of poo poo about their relationship. Ellie writes in her journal when Dina admits to her pregnancy that she's all "oh gently caress, what do I do?" but all I can think is, "mate, you're a rebound and she's lied to you on a major level, just dump her." The museum flashback with Joel was well done, it's the only bit of the game that feels anything like the first one up to this point. I don't think it's a coincidence that that's the actual best bit so far. The gameplay's surprisingly mediocre, but I'm also not that suprised because they've not actually attempted to make the game much different to the first on a gameplay loop level. I'm already kind of bored of it and I'm like a third of the way in. The visuals are very good, especially considering the PS4 is ancient.
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Dan Didio posted:If you were looking forward to playing Joel, then that's on you. That was never in the cards. He's still featured all the way throughout the game very heavily, it's very much a story that is about him as well as Ellie and Abby. Char posted:And this is something I don't get, and I think it's tied to that's the great divide TLOU created. I guess people would want to play again as Joel for the same reason they want to play again as Ellie. If they killed Ellie instead of Joel I would have been just as disinclined to play if you were expected to play with Ellie’s killer. Killing a protagonist and taking the antagonist’s viewpoint has been done to death recently and to me it comes across as a bit lazy. Maybe GoT was fresher when they started writing this though. I think you were right though, making a Joel & Ellie P2 that was also interesting would have been difficult.
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Oxxidation posted:those complaints probably originate less in the minutiae of aiming and damage and more that it's the same "stealth, shoot, pick up trinkets and crafting materials and forlorn little notes scattered about" loop that's existed in just about every big-budget third-person game for well over a decade now No, aiming is definitely much more viable in-combat in the first game. I know, because I just replayed it last month. Enemies also aren't able to initiate unbreakable melee combos from six feet away in the first one, while that seems to be happening here all the time. And going toe to toe with someone? Again, in the first one, you're usually fine if it's just one person/infected. In this game, you have to actually dodge, which is difficult to do.
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Nail Rat posted:No, aiming is definitely much more viable in-combat in the first game. I know, because I just replayed it last month. Enemies also aren't able to initiate unbreakable melee combos from six feet away in the first one, while that seems to be happening here all the time. And going toe to toe with someone? Again, in the first one, you're usually fine if it's just one person/infected. In this game, you have to actually dodge, which is difficult to do. did you not read a single word of what i posted
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Jun 22, 2020 17:02
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Nail Rat posted:No, aiming is definitely much more viable in-combat in the first game. I know, because I just replayed it last month. Enemies also aren't able to initiate unbreakable melee combos from six feet away in the first one, while that seems to be happening here all the time. And going toe to toe with someone? Again, in the first one, you're usually fine if it's just one person/infected. In this game, you have to actually dodge, which is difficult to do. He's saying the core gameplay loop remains the same core-loop as TLOU 1, the Uncharted Games, most Core-Triple A games. It feels dated and tired.
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Oh I see, I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about MY complaints. However, I'm saying...the gameplay is *worse* than old games in some respects.
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Jun 22, 2020 17:24
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So are the Uncharted games just like this game but without the zombie horror bits?
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Jun 22, 2020 17:27
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punk rebel ecks posted:So are the Uncharted games just like this game but without the zombie horror bits? Minus zombies but plus painfully long climbing sections. The 2nd one is worth playing, but I'd say that's it.
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Jun 22, 2020 17:29
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punk rebel ecks posted:So are the Uncharted games just like this game but without the zombie horror bits? Eh? Kinda? They're more action adventure? Uncharted 4 is probably the closest to TLOU.
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Jun 22, 2020 17:30
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punk rebel ecks posted:So are the Uncharted games just like this game but without the zombie horror bits? They're more fast-paced with less emphasis on stealth and much more lighthearted stories. They also tend to have climbing/jumping sections instead of the "walk around and scrounge for resources" thing you do in TLoU. Uncharted 4 took some cues from TLoU and allowed more stealth than previous games, which I think was a nice improvement to the gameplay (it's fun to drop in and out of stealth to mess with enemies, stuff like that). There's no resource management at all, though, you just use the weapons you find as you go and ammo's never scarce or anything. Personally I think all the Uncharteds except maybe the first one are worth playing. They're fun action games with charming characters and cool setpieces. IMO Uncharted 4 was a really satisfying ending, too.
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Jun 22, 2020 17:31
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punk rebel ecks posted:So are the Uncharted games just like this game but without the zombie horror bits? Significantly more action focused, way more lighthearted, and a lot less resource management. Drake and co. don’t use health packs or even take damage, the regenerating heath system was explained by the series director as being your luck running out. Bullets are everywhere and combat is a lot faster. Good games but not exactly the same, TLOU is much more slow paced and reliant on tension in combat.
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doingitwrong posted:Can we leave this rebuttal behind? You're in the leaks thread. It's specifically the discussion thread for people who didn't mind getting spoiled — many of whom will never play the game — to discuss the game. We're quarantined over here to not bother the whole other thread of people diligently playing the game and sharing their reactions with each other. You can accuse people of not playing the game over there. In this thread, it's a nice bonus if people played the game, not a requirement for discussion. Just rent the game lol, christ
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You have the right to talk out of your rear end, nobody noticing that you are is taking that away from you lol
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Zongerian posted:Just watch a playtrough lol, christ
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If The Order 1886 never managed to kill this kind of rote third-person shooting gallery gameplay, I don't think anything will.
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It's a really interesting phenomenon when there are people who refuse to play a game but are compelled to discuss it, it's not unique to this game but Nasty Dog have succeeded in pushing the envelope in that regard if nothing else
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Zongerian posted:It's a really interesting phenomenon when there are people who refuse to play a game but are compelled to discuss it, it's not unique to this game but Nasty Dog have succeeded in pushing the envelope in that regard if nothing else Are you actually going to contribute anything or are you just going to be Stux 2.0?
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I don't understand why people want single player crafted third person shooters to go away when we are in an age of eSports and Live Service games. I agree with Jim Sterling, these titles are gradually becoming "retro".
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punk rebel ecks posted:I don't understand why people want single player crafted third person shooters to go away when we are in an age of eSports and Live Service games. I don't think people want single player crafted third person shooters to go away. They just want an update to the gameplay loop. In fact one of my major complaints with this game is it's not linear enough.
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I'm happy for single-player third-person cinematic games (shooters or otherwise) to keep being made, but I'm also one of those guys who really likes Uncharted and God of War 2018. They're not all I want to play, but I like going on a fun cinematic action game adventure every once in a while.Gabby_Jay posted:If The Order 1886 never managed to kill this kind of rote third-person shooting gallery gameplay, I don't think anything will. Oh my god I forgot about that game What a wet fart that one was
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Onmi posted:I don't think people want single player crafted third person shooters to go away. They just want an update to the gameplay loop. In fact one of my major complaints with this game is it's not linear enough. Or possibly even to have them go back to their origins. Resident Evil 4 and Half-Life 2 did a real good job at constantly changing up the formula.
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Wow, you guys just openly discriminate against people who don't play a game but still want to jabber about it. I didn't play the first one, haven't seen a trailer for the second, haven't read the leaks, only tenuously understand what the series is supposed to be, but I can't have any opinion on it?!
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What's interesting to me is that, at the time, TLoU 1 felt like it was an update to the gameplay loop. The resource scarcity and how deadly some of the infected could be made it into something other than a regular third-person cover shooter and I enjoyed the gameplay a lot. I did play on Hard, though, and I understand resources are a lot less scarce on Normal so maybe that made a difference.
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Harrow posted:What's interesting to me is that, at the time, TLoU 1 felt like it was an update to the gameplay loop. The resource scarcity and how deadly some of the infected could be made it into something other than a regular third-person cover shooter and I enjoyed the gameplay a lot. I did play on Hard, though, and I understand resources are a lot less scarce on Normal so maybe that made a difference. It's not an issue of resource scarcity but in that you do the same thing over and over again with little variety.
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Khanstant posted:Wow, you guys just openly discriminate against people who don't play a game but still want to jabber about it. I didn't play the first one, haven't seen a trailer for the second, haven't read the leaks, only tenuously understand what the series is supposed to be, but I can't have any opinion on it?! Don't be dense
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punk rebel ecks posted:It's not an issue of resource scarcity but in that you do the same thing over and over again with little variety. Well again, that's me looking back to playing TLoU for the first time in 2013. I'm not sure I'd feel the same way now. At the time it felt fresh to me, at least within its "cinematic AAA action game" genre.
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I would've appreciated a gameplay update, God of War 2018 style.
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God of War and Assassin's Creed are two major series who just recently revamped their gameplay basically from the ground up because they had found that people were simply kind of done with pretty much just playing the same game over and over, so it's not an entirely unjustified criticism.
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To be fair TLOU2 is the second game in it's series. God of War had four mainline games (excluding the two PSP titles) and Assassin's Creed...yeah...
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Char posted:There's no sugarcoating I can apply to "if you think the game deserves to be snapped in two after Joel's scene, you should read some drat literature". What would you recommend?
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Onmi posted:Are you actually going to contribute anything or are you just going to be Stux 2.0? I'm not playing the game right now because I'm doing laundry. So I'm going to make a few posts in the thread if that's what you are implying
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fridge corn posted:What would you recommend? people keep making comparisons to Cormac McCarthy's The Road but imo The Crossing is a closer fit for the futility of trying to regain what's already been lost (as well as a much better novel overall) The Dog Stars by Peter Heller is also a pretty decent page-turner about gritty men eking out an existence on a scrub of post-apoc land Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jun 22, 2020 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:To be fair TLOU2 is the second game in it's series. God of War had four mainline games (excluding the two PSP titles) and Assassin's Creed...yeah...
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