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Applying something like a UCMJ to cops would be a net gain, though. A universal set of laws, standards, and most importantly RESTRICTIONS that all cops across the country must adhere to would be a huge step forward. The ability for community leadership to also do things like put people on restriction and pay cuts and punitive duty would help a lot as well.
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Bread and water for 30 days for beating an unarmed suspect
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Internet Wizard posted:Applying something like a UCMJ to cops would be a net gain, though. A universal set of laws, standards, and most importantly RESTRICTIONS that all cops across the country must adhere to would be a huge step forward. Thank you. This is exactly what I was getting at.
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Yeah, Clint Lorrance and Eddie Gallagher agree with you too
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Internet Wizard posted:Applying something like a UCMJ to cops would be a net gain, though. A universal set of laws, standards, and most importantly RESTRICTIONS that all cops across the country must adhere to would be a huge step forward. On the one hand it'd be weird to have separate courts for them, but on the other at least you wouldn't have DAs that depend on police cooperation being expected to prosecute them.
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Doc Hawkins posted:On the one hand it'd be weird to have separate courts for them, but on the other at least you wouldn't have DAs that depend on police cooperation being expected to prosecute them. a high (cops) and low (everyone else) courts system? hmmm yes yessss....
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Doc Hawkins posted:On the one hand it'd be weird to have separate courts for them, but on the other at least you wouldn't have DAs that depend on police cooperation being expected to prosecute them. But your DAs _would_ work for the convening authority - in this example, the police chief.
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It's a failed joke on my part. I was going for comedic understatement with the word "weird." We already have high and low justice in the US, but I would not be surprised if someone seriously proposed that to "streamline" all of these accusations of police misconduct, that they be judged by a tribunal of senior officers in special cop courts.
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training day was an instructional documentary
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Super troopers being the american ideal is depressing as gently caress. One department of 6 guys with 5 kinda redeemable assholes and 1 complete shitbird and one department with 9 murdering drug runners and one cop trying to get things fixed without affecting their career and eventually one gets shut down
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Stravag posted:Super troopers being the american ideal is depressing as gently caress. One department of 6 guys with 5 kinda redeemable assholes and 1 complete shitbird and one department with 9 murdering drug runners and one cop trying to get things fixed without affecting their career and eventually one gets shut down Even the state troopers, our ostensible protagonists, pull over citizens, and then proceed to play games for their own amusement. ngl tho, i think super troopers is pretty funny and probably the best broken lizard movie, edging out beerfest. has anyone gone back and watched the police academy movies? not even for cop bootlicking, do the gags hold up?
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That was why i called them kinda redeemable assholes
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Phil Layshow posted:Even the state troopers, our ostensible protagonists, pull over citizens, and then proceed to play games for their own amusement. ngl tho, i think super troopers is pretty funny and probably the best broken lizard movie, edging out beerfest. has anyone gone back and watched the police academy movies? not even for cop bootlicking, do the gags hold up? Not even a little bit, no.
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i figured as much. reno 911 was an ok cop movie too, but if you didn't like the show, you won't like the movie.
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Watchmen 2019 is an instructional documentary
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I would bet there's more minorities serving in the Army than are in the police. Only reason I'd see them being better at serving and protecting.
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Grem posted:I would bet there's more minorities serving in the Army than are in the police. Only reason I'd see them being better at serving and protecting. The MP Corps is proportioned more like regular law enforcement from what I saw
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Grem posted:I would bet there's more minorities serving in the Army than are in the police. Only reason I'd see them being better at serving and protecting. But it's not really about demographics. It's not like having more diversity in police forces are really solving the problems, e.g., two of the officers involved in George Floyd's murder were non-white. The problem is with police culture and its psychology superseding any other obligations and values. I'm not sure if military culture is so substantially different that they would would be better at policing a civilian population, especially when we look at their track record overseas.
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oh 200 replies I wonder if something interesting happened nope
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Hezzy posted:oh 200 replies I wonder if something interesting happened Hi Hezzy.
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https://portcitydaily.com/local-new...wait-free-read/ As you do in a squad car i guess
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Hezzy posted:oh 200 replies I wonder if something interesting happened Thanks for this vital update
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Continuity RCP posted:Thanks for this vital update thanks for your incredibly informative post, keep on fighting the good fight citizen
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ded posted:Bread and water for 30 days for beating an unarmed suspect they actually took that out of the UCMJ
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PookBear posted:they actually took that out of the UCMJ When did that happen? I'm pretty sure I saw it in there during my time in. Though it did specify that it was under the care and observation of medical personnel. Also, it might have been a really old poster that I was reading.
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PookBear posted:they actually took that out of the UCMJ doesn't mean they shouldn't do that to cops
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I've heard from a reliable source "straight from the underground" that you can "still get 'swole' off bread and water." 
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america 2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlkeAPiGMCI at a music protest over a kid they killed, the APD rolls in and starts gassing people
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My coworker was there, she's a 55 year old math teacher with terminal cancer. I live in Aurora and worked with Aurora PD several times, and still do in my new career since they're in schools, obviously. Every single Aurora PD guy I know is a raging loving dick. Like even the wishy WASHY BS of "oh they're a good cop, trying to do the right thing" or the ones you see that take a knee off of a guys neck (and get fired for it), they don't loving exist in Aurora PD.
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Aurora PD is the PD where a dude passed out drunk while driving his cruiser, and they decided not to fire him because they couldn't prove he was drunk (despite the bodycams of the cops that found him talking about how he reeks of booze), and maybe he has a medical condition that makes him fall asleep sometimes (which he hasn't been diagnosed with and apparently is also okay for a cop to have???)
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MonkeyFit posted:When did [removal of bread and water punishment under UCMJ] happen? I'm pretty sure I saw it in there during my time in. Though it did specify that it was under the care and observation of medical personnel. 2016
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Why do news articles never include the photos referenced and never give an accurate description of what the photos are?
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PeterCat posted:Why do news articles never include the photos referenced and never give an accurate description of what the photos are? On the former, whoever took the photo (or video) can potentially claim copyright on it and raise hell. That's why any time you see photos/videos posted to Youtube, Twitter, etc. that are newsworthy, you'll also see tons of news orgs asking if they have permission to use it with attribution. Maybe the news orgs were refused permission, maybe they didn't bother asking. Here's a quick primer on it: https://amdlawgroup.com/how-to-use-photos-without-violating-copyright-laws/
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For any pig that still reads here I have a question. If all of these police departments say that the officers are not trained to restrain a suspect by putting a knee on their neck, why is it happening all the loving time? It's almost as if... it IS trained.
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ded posted:For any pig that still reads here I have a question. If all of these police departments say that the officers are not trained to restrain a suspect by putting a knee on their neck, why is it happening all the loving time? It's almost as if... it IS trained. To them, it's not "trained" because it doesn't happen at the academy, but is taught during their on-the-job training as probationary officers. This system of relatively minimal formal training (especially compared to police agencies abroad) and emphasis on field training not only allows for these behaviors to continue, but also enmeshes new officers in police culture to be silent about (if not actively covering up) these and other inappropriate behaviors.
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Toshokan posted:To them, it's not "trained" because it doesn't happen at the academy, but is taught during their on-the-job training as probationary officers. This system of relatively minimal formal training (especially compared to police agencies abroad) and emphasis on field training not only allows for these behaviors to continue, but also enmeshes new officers in police culture to be silent about (if not actively covering up) these and other inappropriate behaviors. Yea, it's this. You don't see it used in academies so it's not "trained" but you see a dude do it, you hear them talk about it, it becomes, uh, I guess conditioned? It's entirely possible if you isolate yourself enough in a small force that you never encounter it. But realistically even the ones who say it's not trained have heard about it being used by their coworkers, they know it's wrong so when they're not wearing their uniform they realize it's not what was trained, but once that uniform goes on or the shift starts all the field training takes over from formal training. And it really isn't in the policy academies, at least it wasn't ten years ago. I remember specifically being told never to put pressure on the back or neck when a person is laying face down, and not to have restrained people face down, suffocation being the very reason.
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Yeah, training and policy is not the same as practice; poo poo's hosed. It's a big reason why radical reform is necessary, the incrementalism has been proven false by like 30 years of increasing "professionalism"; it doesn't loving work.
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Anybody got experience with K-9s? A town near me had a cop quit and he wanted to keep his dog/partner and pay to cover some costs for a new K-9. PD said no, and people lost their poo poo because the dog had been with that guy for like 4 years and he was a "family dog too." Department released a statement saying "please shut the gently caress up $5k is a third of what it would actually cost, k-9s should not be retired early, and they would have probably traded him for a rookie dog soon anyway since rookie cops get senior dogs and senior cops get rookie dogs." $15-20k seems about right for a k-9 and I get strategically pairing cops and dogs, but I dont know much about working animals. Why would it be bad to retire a k-9 early?
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