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Guyver posted:When they wake Bjorn up to deal with the Inquisition fleet in The Emperor's Legion he says twenty legions. So whatever happened it was when he was around. Don't take Ol'Bjorn too seriously, he was just a newbie back then and ten thousand years of napping and playing robopoker with the other dreds has not done much good to his mental state.
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moths posted:I like that some of them were incorporated into extant legions, which implies that whatever happened was recent relative to the Heresy. I have a bit of fanfiction bouncing around in my head about a Primarch who rejected imperialism and told the Emperor to gently caress off, and got purged for his troubles.
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Speaking of the ol empster. I hope we get some unification war books because there are some things I wonder how they'll explain. Like, what was the emperor doing during the whole expansion era of humanity. Like, was he in charge? Was he just chilling? Did he know about the long night?
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I obviously like the Ravenor series but I'll be honest and say that Gideon is easily my least favorite part of it. Is that weird? I just find all the 11-Dimensional  stuff gets dull kinda quickly.
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Jun 22, 2020 23:57
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Like, him talking about the cities and housing projects (or "Council Estates" or whatever-the-gently caress) on Petropolis are, legit, some of my favorite scenes of any scifi ever just for how much implied culture gets added through the mention of the character's build and material environments. But then it's gotta end with Gideon flesh-suiting someone which is  af?
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Finally finished listening to Necropolis and...whew. I called that oil pipeline being used like that like instantly after it got brought up in the beginning, loving trader scum. I really wish the ending explained more of what went on and the aftermath. The hell happened in that meeting with Gaunt & Macaroth? C'mon man give us something. At least Gaunt got the girl I guess. I loved Ghostmaker, not sure how I feel about this one yet. I don't think the next few books have been audioized yet so I guess I'm picking up some omnibusses; $200 for a single book on Amazon what the christ is going on with that.
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Jun 23, 2020 02:55
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Gideon is a dude who's been dealt a truly poo poo card of hands by fate and is trying real hard to do the right thing nonetheless. Gregor is cold by nature. Gideon is cold because his real emotions are a giant ball of angst and envy for the physically abled, and he can't let those out because he must be a leader to his team of highly skilled, athletic acolytes who go out in the sun and mingle with people and jump around and do everything he'll never, ever do again. Quite frankly, it's a miracle of selflessness that he didn't just find a weak-willed guy and start flesh-wearing him 100% of the time. Imagine offering a quadriplegic the power to do that, and a special badge giving him full legal authority to do that. Satan himself couldn't come up with a bigger temptation.
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mythicknight posted:Finally finished listening to Necropolis and...whew. They've been reprinting the ghosts omnibuses, go buy them for twenty bucks each. Glad to see another fan of Ghostmaker. It and First and Only aren't as popular as the novels that are more about "full" campaigns rather than serialized short stories, but I do enjoy Ghostmaker a whole lot and how it sets up the rivalry with the Volpone Bluebloods. Necropolis is usually regarded as 40K: The Novel because of its over the top scale and grandiose verbosity. It's not really my favourite but I see why people recommend it as a starting book. The next two novels are decent but if you thought that Necropolis ended abruptly you ain't seen nothing until you've finished Honour Guard or The Guns of Tanith. I actually think The Saint arc is the weakest part of the Ghosts series because its emotional weight is so often cripples by Abnett's inability to write a satisfying conclusion that has enough time to breathe. The exception is Straight Silver because it ends on an intentional cliffhanger. It's a shame because The Saint also has the best villain with Lijah FETHING Cuu. Once you're past The Saint, you're in good territory. The Lost and The Victory are both fantastic arcs and the ending to The Victory may just be the best ending Abnett wrote, because goddammit it was earned.
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Schadenboner posted:Like, him talking about the cities and housing projects (or "Council Estates" or whatever-the-gently caress) on Petropolis are, legit, some of my favorite scenes of any scifi ever just for how much implied culture gets added through the mention of the character's build and material environments. But then it's gotta end with Gideon flesh-suiting someone which is The opening to Ravenor is so strong. I know why they're starting with Eisenhorn but the first Ravenor book is so much more adaptable to TV than the first Eisenhorn. Xenos has a pretty grand scale by the end that I think would be difficult to pull off well without significant rewrites on a TV budget. Whereas Ravenor is much more built around impressive but low key set pieces. The chase through the ruined slum buildings a thousand stories up. The fight at the alien circus zoo. The Star Wars cantina-esque frontier outpost. Even the finale just takes place on a ship. The most outrageous CGI spectacle you'd have would be a bit of ship combat and the psychic battles. I can picture it working so well!
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SerCypher posted:Speaking of the ol empster. I hope we get some unification war books because there are some things I wonder how they'll explain. I've always liked the idea they play with occasionally where the whole 'Around since the Stone Age' thing is bullshit, and he's just a Dark Age of technology weapon that escaped control and made up a bogus backstory as it started it's conquests. NihilCredo posted:
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SardonicTyrant posted:The real answer to everything in the Heresy is that it was originally a one-page explanation of the backstory with a bunch of weird and random things thrown in that the Black Library authors tasked with the HH books suddenly had to explain and justify. i mean they need to keep some mysteries. SerCypher posted:Speaking of the ol empster. I hope we get some unification war books because there are some things I wonder how they'll explain. if i remember the various lore. he basicaly plays at trying to guide humanity from behind the scenes and poo poo until the mad max times, than he says "gently caress it".
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Dapper_Swindler posted:if i remember the various lore. he basicaly plays at trying to guide humanity from behind the scenes and poo poo until the mad max times, than he says "gently caress it". Deptfordx posted:...the whole 'Around since the Stone Age' thing is bullshit, and he's just a Dark Age of technology weapon that escaped control and made up a bogus backstory as it started it's conquests.
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Plucky Brit posted:I think that's the 'official' line, though this: He could easily be both in the setting, a perpetual with ambitions that weaponized himself at a later stage, or a psyker that could just swap bodies or something until he could make a perfect host body for himself.
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I really really like the "Dark Age Weapon" backstory and I hope they never ever actually confirm one way or another.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean they need to keep some mysteries.
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I can't remember where I read it, but there's a scene where one of the rival unification warlords is like "Wtf are you siding with him for, don't you know what that is?!" and then we never find out.
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Zudgemud posted:He could easily be both in the setting, a perpetual with ambitions that weaponized himself at a later stage, or a psyker that could just swap bodies or something until he could make a perfect host body for himself. I remember reading the original explanation that a bunch of power psykers killed themselves in ancient times so they'd all reincarnate together into the same being. That could be PRO EMPEROR PROPAGANDA THOUGH. The whole mind affecting glory of his presence does feel a little sinister though. Like he has a portable brainwashing field. If that's the case then no wonder half the primarchs shrugged it off when he went home. The Golden Throne is just a giant brainwashing transmitter!!! HORUS WAS RIGHT! SerCypher fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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moths posted:I can't remember where I read it, but there's a scene where one of the rival unification warlords is like "Wtf are you siding with him for, don't you know what that is?!" and then we never find out. In The Master of Mankind, Ra Endymion's mother, summarily executed by Constantine Valdor himself for stealing the remnants of Terra's oceans. She is very incredulous about being killed over stealing water.
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I always kind of liked the almost certainly no longer canon idea that the Emperor is in fact a gestalt entity composed of every human psyker in earth who conducted some crazy ritual.
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MariusLecter posted:In The Master of Mankind, Ra Endymion's mother, summarily executed by Constantine Valdor himself for stealing the remnants of Terra's oceans. She is very incredulous about being killed over stealing water.
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Jun 23, 2020 21:46
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Sometimes the Emperor remembers his past one way, sometimes another. If he's going to have a past, he wants it to be multiple choice.
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Jun 23, 2020 21:48
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Black Library have all the books back on sale. I got myself Plague Wars because I am a sucker for the new lore warhammer
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MrNemo posted:I always kind of liked the almost certainly no longer canon idea that the Emperor is in fact a gestalt entity composed of every human psyker in earth who conducted some crazy ritual. Yeah one of the my favourite potential backstories was a bunch of prehistoric shamans seeing the future and then committing a mass suicide ritual to create the big E to pool all their power together to save humankind or w/e. Feels suitably mythical. He could have later been a dark ave superweapon
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SardonicTyrant posted:She also thinks the Emperor is a Dark Age superweapon Talks about the Big E like he's some kind of toaster oven that got out of it's box and Valdor is a loving idiot for taking orders from it.
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MariusLecter posted:Talks about the Big E like he's some kind of toaster oven that got out of it's box and Valdor is a loving idiot for taking orders from it.
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Even valdor doesn't really like valdor, he's pretty much just someone who it's not only boring but has a total lack of ego. Like, he recognises it's his greatest shortcoming but he isn't really bothered by it provided he can serve the Emperor. Except for every now and again he tries to make a friend and Russ or the High lord is just 'gently caress off valdor, no one likes you'. Even the other custodes are more in awe of him in an intellectual sense than actually finding him inspiring. Poor valdor.
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Imagine how attacked you'd feel for finding out which 40k character you relate to the most in this way.
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Ruinous Saturnine spoiler speculation follows: though I havent yet had a chance to read Saturnine, I did check out the spoilers. At first I didn't care for the big reveals, but the more I thought about it the more it seemed to me that the old shaman origin is just being shifted forward. While the old lore had the Emperor being created by shamans, it seems like GW is positioning things so that the gestalt merger takes place in the 'present' of 30k and uses perpetuals rather than shamans. My pet theory is that after the Emperor is killed by Horus the remaining perpetuals use up their immortality to lock him in a state of half death to forestall an outright victory for Chaos. That might even be what burns out Malcador on the golden throne, since we've already seen that the webway portal can be held open temporarily with nothing but regular psykers. It nearly explains where the perpetuals went, and why GW introduced them at all; and dovetails with the old origin story. But like I said I haven't actually read Saturnine because of the stupid release schedule, so who knows. I mostly like the theory because it gives the otherwise out of place perpetuals a point in the setting.
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One constant callback I'm liking in the Horus Heresy is that everyone loves Ignace Karsky's poems. In the 63rd fleet stories he kind of seems like a washed up dipshit but everyone seems to love him back on Terra and on the other fleets.
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Yo what is the name of the Necron book you boys keep referring to? Is it by Mike Brooks?
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Miguel Prado posted:Yo what is the name of the Necron book you boys keep referring to? Is it by Mike Brooks? Mike Brooks did the really good Navigator book Rites of Passage. I don't know of any Necron POV books that are already out, but there is one coming later this year.
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Severed by Nate Crowley? I picked it up today.
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Slightly outside the 40K zone but if you liked Crowley's stuff, you should read his book "The Death And Life Of Scheider Wrack". It's about the zombie crew of a gigantic fishing vessel revolting against their masters, and what they do afterwards.
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The Outcast Dead was never a book I would tell anyone about after having read the hardcover version, and then re-reading it as an ebook during my second way through the Horus Heresy after I got a Kindle two years later. The audiobook, however, is read by Jonathan Keeble, and it's actually loving riveting.
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Dangit, totally forgot about Navigator book today. Ah well. Next time.
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mythicknight posted:so I guess I'm picking up some omnibusses; $200 for a single book on Amazon what the christ is going on with that. I've heard two theories. One is that it's pricing bots bidding each other up. The other is that it takes time and/or money to de- and then re-list things that go in and out of stock unpredictably, so vendors just jack the price up when it's out of stock and then bring it back to a reasonable price when they have it. This also 2keeps them in the search results while its out of stock.
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The bot one is super obvious when it's things like 10+ year old action figures that will never come into stock again. They're just going "well if you'll pay X then you'll pay X+1!" over and back forever, always trying not to be the cheapest price.
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So what are good off-site 40k lore discussion places besides the 40k lore subreddit in case this really is the end of days?
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D-Pad posted:So what are good off-site 40k lore discussion places besides the 40k lore subreddit in case this really is the end of days? Don't worry, Cawl will just implement Primaris Something Awful.
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D-Pad posted:So what are good off-site 40k lore discussion places besides the 40k lore subreddit in case this really is the end of days? The acolyte discord is good I can find a link?
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