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If anyone would like one, I've scraped an archive of this thread: https://sabercathost.com/5F31/AncientHistory.zip
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Is there a good software tool to scrape threads? You know, for history....
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Ynglaur posted:Is there a good software tool to scrape threads? You know, for history.... There are a couple in this thread, including mine. 
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:If anyone would like one, I've scraped an archive of this thread: https://sabercathost.com/5F31/AncientHistory.zip Hey, thanks. I tried to do this but it just crashed every time.
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if the forums die the worst part for me will be i'll have to actually write some new posts, instead of just c/p from my history in this thread 
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We'll meet again
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Squalid posted:if the forums die the worst part for me will be i'll have to actually write some new posts, instead of just c/p from my history in this thread Not this thread, but I’m feeling this.
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So what dead ancient civilization is sa gonna most resemble somthing small, yet surprisingly influential and well preserved imo
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Agean90 posted:So what dead ancient civilization is sa gonna most resemble The etruscans maybe. They were very influential in the beginning of Rome but was then swallowed up and assimilated
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:If anyone would like one, I've scraped an archive of this thread: https://sabercathost.com/5F31/AncientHistory.zip This is awesome, thank you! Lurking this thread really helped jumpstart an interest in Roman/ancient history for me, and it’s great to have an archive somewhere.
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Agean90 posted:So what dead ancient civilization is sa gonna most resemble Assyria. Hated and feared until suddenly they weren't.
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Gonna be honest, if SA goes down this is the thread I will miss the most.
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Dalael posted:Gonna be honest, if SA goes down this is the thread I will miss the most. Yeah. I was thinking for a minute about starting a blog but that's not discussion, I don't think it'd be any good. I dunno. Still hoping for a forums situation where this thread can exist. Agean90 posted:So what dead ancient civilization is sa gonna most resemble There's a non-trivial case to be made that SA is a major factor in the current collapse of the United States and its institutions so that should be factored in too. I'm not sure who to pick.
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Grand Fromage posted:There's a non-trivial case to be made that SA is a major factor in the current collapse of the United States and its institutions so that should be factored in too. I'm not sure who to pick. Can you elaborate on that please? Sounds intriguing.
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Grand Fromage posted:Still hoping for a forums situation where this thread can exist. If not, I hope I have time to drop in one last Atlantis post before it all goes down 
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Angry Lobster posted:Can you elaborate on that please? Sounds intriguing. ADTRW banned moot for being weird, who then founded 4chan, which has spun off and spawned even worse places like 8chan. They were instrumental in the formation of alt-right circles which played a major factor in getting the current version of insane Republicans into office, who are busy making the US into a plague ship. Republicans were already bent on blowing up the country and it would've likely happened regardless, but the particular form of the collapse the US is going through owes a lot of its DNA to SA. Gamergate was actually a serious political upheaval in the US, as loving bizarre as that is.
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Grand Fromage posted:ADTRW banned moot for being weird, who then founded 4chan, which has spun off and spawned even worse places like 8chan. They were instrumental in the formation of alt-right circles which played a major factor in getting the current version of insane Republicans into office, who are busy making the US into a plague ship. Yep, that's the timeline we're in.
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Grand Fromage posted:ADTRW banned moot for being weird, who then founded 4chan, which has spun off and spawned even worse places like 8chan. They were instrumental in the formation of alt-right circles which played a major factor in getting the current version of insane Republicans into office, who are busy making the US into a plague ship. the part where this argument falls to pieces is the alt-right part, the 4chan far-right is a pretty minor part of the history of trumpism even focusing exclusively on the phenomenon of extremely online right-wingers, facebook is far more important than anything that came out of SA
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I’m only on page 181 but I’ve been reading this thread slowly, off and on for about a year and I f*ckin love it and I just bought The Inheritance of Rome by Christopher Wickham. I just wanted to thank grandma frontage and the rest of you for making Ancient Rome real for me. real competition between this thread and the political maps thread for best read on the forums. Thanks
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Grand Fromage posted:ADTRW banned moot for being weird, who then founded 4chan, which has spun off and spawned even worse places like 8chan. They were instrumental in the formation of alt-right circles which played a major factor in getting the current version of insane Republicans into office, who are busy making the US into a plague ship. Had no idea, I guess I was underestimating the actual influence of this kind of internet groups on US politics.
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Tunicate posted:A goon is the one who set up hillary's email server Benghazi was a goon project
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Worst comes to worst, I suggest an ancient history channel on the goon milhist discord. There's plenty of overlap in posters between the threads and a similar academic approach
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I would say Gamergate is what you would have to examine as the phenomenon that really turned anti-feminist, anti-pc internet users into political activism and created the environment in which major alt-right personalities like Milo found their followings. 4chan is a major part of that, but not more so than Twitter.
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Grumio posted:Worst comes to worst, I suggest an ancient history channel on the goon milhist discord. There's plenty of overlap in posters between the threads and a similar academic approach link?
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This crowd would be very welcome on breadnroses.net I think, there's a Bread (not fully poo poo posting) side "pseudointellectual navel gazing" forum that already has a history thread
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I wouldn't mind the chance to reorganize so there's a single thread for everything pre 20th century. 20th century history can suck all the air out of the room but no reason we can't talk about the roman and holy roman empire in the same thread without being technically off topic
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cheetah7071 posted:I wouldn't mind the chance to reorganize so there's a single thread for everything pre 20th century. 20th century history can suck all the air out of the room but no reason we can't talk about the roman and holy roman empire in the same thread without being technically off topic This is a fantastic idea.
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I dunno, I think there's value in being more specific. Everything pre-20th century is a lot. Everything ancient is already a lot. I've always tried to let things slide that aren't too off topic, we've definitely spent a lot of time talking about medieval stuff in here when it was relevant. Everything in history is interconnected so I don't think firm boundaries work, it takes judgement. I'm sure I haven't done that perfectly but I think the thread's worked pretty okay the way it's been. E: Not to shut down discussion about The Next Thread at all here, just my thoughts. Even if we stay here on these dumb forums post-Lowtax it's probably time for a thread reboot, I was going to do that at page 1,000 anyway. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jun 25, 2020 |
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shovelbum posted:This crowd would be very welcome on breadnroses.net I think, there's a Bread (not fully poo poo posting) side "pseudointellectual navel gazing" forum that already has a history thread Boy I can't wait to get shrieked at for being the wrong kind of historian there.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Boy I can't wait to get shrieked at for being the wrong kind of historian there. that's why you gotta exclude 20th century history from the successor to this thread; in an explicitly leftist space, pushing specific interpretations of the 20th century is going to be critical in a way that isn't the case for anything earlier tbh I don't really mind split up history threads but if the successor to this thread remains explicitly ancient I'll just make the early modern thread myself because early modern is cool
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Boy I can't wait to get shrieked at for being the wrong kind of historian there. a lot of people are imagining interactions on b&r that will not take place in real life as a long time poster in this thread, this has always been a favorite. i hope my posts have been informative for folks and hope we can keep talking about ancient history somewhere going forward
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cheetah7071 posted:tbh I don't really mind split up history threads but if the successor to this thread remains explicitly ancient I'll just make the early modern thread myself because early modern is cool This is what I lean toward. Right now we have this thread and milhist, but there's no reason we can't just, like, have a third history megathread that's more medieval/early modern focused. I'm inclined to keep this one or its new version ancient focused since that's my main area of interest and I posted the thread.  I don't see any reason multiple threads with different focuses but the same general group of nerds would be a problem. It lets you choose what you want to read or post about, but it doesn't exclude anything.
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cheetah7071 posted:that's why you gotta exclude 20th century history from the successor to this thread; in an explicitly leftist space, pushing specific interpretations of the 20th century is going to be critical in a way that isn't the case for anything earlier I'm a historian of the 20th century so this sounds like pure rear end torture.
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Grand Fromage posted:I dunno, I think there's value in being more specific. Everything pre-20th century is a lot. Everything ancient is already a lot. I've always tried to let things slide that aren't too off topic, we've definitely spent a lot of time talking about medieval stuff in here when it was relevant. Everything in history is interconnected so I don't think firm boundaries work, it takes judgement. I'm sure I haven't done that perfectly but I think the thread's worked pretty okay the way it's been. the bigger problem is just overwhelming the channels with too many posts. you have to break things down until people have time to hear themselves think. Discord's format kinda promotes fast posting so you really need a lot of "space."
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I'm fascinated by the early modern, but the trouble is that it doesn't seem to support enough interest to keep a thread alive on its own. The early modern thread here died out, and it's not like our successor forum will be the same size as this one was.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Boy I can't wait to get shrieked at for being the wrong kind of historian there. no one is getting "shrieked at" there unless they are US-standards right wing edit: almost anywhere you post or even do anything in your normal life is run by hard-right loving lunatics, but you don't get shrieked at here for not being a Nazi even though Lowtax is chummy with the gamergate crowd, you don't get shrieked at at a store even though they're run by monstrous far-right plutocrats, etc. You spend most of your life trying to exist as a normal person in hard right spaces and I think it's unfair to think that it would be not only worse but impossibly worse just because a place is run by caring community-minded people vs sociopathic oligarchs shovelbum fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jun 25, 2020 |
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Squalid posted:the bigger problem is just overwhelming the channels with too many posts. you have to break things down until people have time to hear themselves think. Discord's format kinda promotes fast posting so you really need a lot of "space." Oh I'm thinking forums threads here, I have no idea how it would work in discord. I'm not expecting to have to stay there, but if we do then we'll figure it out when that comes.
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