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Boxman posted:This is a good take, but now I want this line in there Why What absolute purpose does it serve to do that? It'd be like scene 1 John talking about the c*lor*ds daring to come near the soda fountain or whatever. It doesn't do anything to show progress. It just reinforces what garbage the past was. And that's not what Carousel of Progress's theme is. It's what American Adventure's theme is. And blood. And death. And horrors.  Renegret posted:Like, the country bear jamboree is loving boring as hell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFkdcQgNJHo No, but seriously. While there is a problem with classics remaining untouched, we also have problems like Tom Sawyer Island just sitting there doing literally nothing forever. We have Storybook Circus; which is garbage. We have the speedway, which should have been covered with something Sugar Rush ages ago. I agree somewhat that some classics should go. Mostly I don't want country bears to go because there's few enough inside shows these days and I'd like to keep what we have for AC breaks. Otherwise, as much as I like Laugh Floor, it'd probably be the first one I killed. (not calling laugh floor a classic)
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What parts of Small World are particularly problematic? I get that some of the children are broad-strokes representations of their nationalities but I don't recall anything nearly as bad as literal bone-in-nose ooga-booga natives that are played for laughs in Jungle Cruise.
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Jun 26, 2020 15:11
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Renegret posted:I love Jungle Cruise but the way the natives are portrayed makes me feel real dirty. I always have to let go and just remind myself, it was something that was generally accepted at the time when the park was built. Even beyond when the ride was initially built, it's honestly kind of shocking how recent that sort of thing was still considered acceptable - that whole sequence in the second Pirates of the Caribbean movie with the racist cannibal island was deemed totally fine to release by Disney in loving 2006. I remember critics pointing out how hosed-up it was in reviews, but there wasn't really any major push-back from the general public. The fact that people are way less willing to put up with that poo poo now is long overdue, but still definitely a change for the better. I'm hoping they just swap out the parts with the natives for something else instead of doing a total retheme - that's totally something that could be changed while keeping the overall spirit of Jungle Cruise intact. Nikaer Drekin fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jun 26, 2020 |
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Hazo posted:What parts of Small World are particularly problematic? I get that some of the children are broad-strokes representations of their nationalities but I don't recall anything nearly as bad as literal bone-in-nose ooga-booga natives that are played for laughs in Jungle Cruise. Some of the dolls are not the best...  Edit: On Jungle Cruise, the DL version still has native porters getting chased up the pole by the Rhino while the "Great White Hunter" is above them. WDW changed it to be all white men getting "the point" https://www.yesterland.com/junglecruise.html Zero One fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jun 26, 2020 |
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:No, but seriously. While there is a problem with classics remaining untouched, we also have problems like Tom Sawyer Island just sitting there doing literally nothing forever. We have Storybook Circus; which is garbage. We have the speedway, which should have been covered with something Sugar Rush ages ago. The only thing that should cover speedway is dirt. quote:I agree somewhat that some classics should go. Mostly I don't want country bears to go because there's few enough inside shows these days and I'd like to keep what we have for AC breaks. Otherwise, as much as I like Laugh Floor, it'd probably be the first one I killed. (not calling laugh floor a classic) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFkdcQgNJHo Laugh floor is the best  Some day I'll get to be that guy. Some day.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Why I agree, it goes outside the theme of progress from a mainly technological perspective. I think you can make the attraction more inclusive by switching the family from scene to scene and updating the script/final scene. American Adventure is a better opportunity to be updated to talk about racial (lack of) progress throughout US history. I totally agree with you on Tom Sawyer Island, Speedway, etc. going away and having something else replace them. Swiss Family Treehouse as well.
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I still wish that Tom Sawyers island had been turned into a Lost themed island. You could still have a Sawyer!
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Macaluso posted:I still wish that Tom Sawyers island had been turned into a Lost themed island. You could still have a Sawyer! If it were in Adventureland it'd be perfect for Moana. It is not. Therefore: woody's roundup island (one day I'm getting something woody's roundup themed in MK, I fuckin' am.) Renegret posted:
Problem: I really like Laugh Floor. Other Problem: the Monsters Inc attraction REALLY should be that door coaster idea.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Why I read it as tongue in cheek to demonstrate the ridiculousness of trying to convey ALL progress and I laughed at the incongruity; my comment was sarcasm. I could've been clearer, haha. Macaluso posted:I still wish that Tom Sawyers island had been turned into a Lost themed island. You could still have a Sawyer! I'm still a little surprised that MK Island hasn't been given the Pirates once-over. Also, the problem is the sign at Tom Sawyer's Island still identifies it as "injun joe's cave," right? Just changing that to McDougal's Cave - or cheekier, Mark Twain's Cave - would surely be fine. Or was there something else horrible about the place I'm forgetting.
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Boxman posted:I read it as tongue in cheek to demonstrate the ridiculousness of trying to convey ALL progress and I laughed at the incongruity; my comment was sarcasm. I could've been clearer, haha. Tom Sawyer, as a book, has a lot of problems to begin with. I think the only reason it isn't Pirates is because it's in Frontierland.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:If it were in Adventureland it'd be perfect for Moana. It is not. Therefore: woody's roundup island I think instead of a coaster they should do something like Soarin', so you could go literally anywhere with the door idea
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Other Problem: the Monsters Inc attraction REALLY should be that door coaster idea. woah woahhhhhhhhhhhh
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Zero One posted:Some of the dolls are not the best... So the complicated part of Small World is that while it has stereotypical animatronics, it stereotypes every ethnicity (including all of the white ones) and takes a very anti-racist stance. The art style is outdated but the entire message is "Our diversity is awesome and makes the world great, and we should celebrate it." With Splash Mountain, the question you really need to ask is "What happens when the younger generation asks about this ride?" While the ride itself is as divorced as possible from Song of the South, eventually those black kids going on it will learn that it's based on a movie that shows slavery as not all that bad, and they'll ask why the gently caress you left this up.
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chitoryu12 posted:So the complicated part of Small World is that while it has stereotypical animatronics, it stereotypes every ethnicity (including all of the white ones) and takes a very anti-racist stance. The art style is outdated but the entire message is "Our diversity is awesome and makes the world great, and we should celebrate it." This is very much what I was getting at, thank you for putting it into words better than I did. That's why I don't find Small World nearly as unsettling as some of the other attractions mentioned here.
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9,000 new cases today. No loving way Disney can open amid this mess.
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The NBA picked a bad day to confirm and finalize their Disney plans
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Well I got past the all circuits busy issue, I have however been waiting for a rep for....40 minutes now!
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Noooooooooooooooooooope.
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Bottom Liner posted:9,000 new cases today. No loving way Disney can open amid this mess. Bet you it does.
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Hubby seems to think they're going to open regardless with restrictions in place and the ever present 'you attend at your own risk, WDCompany is absolved of any responsibility' etc stuff to try and displace the numbers of sick.
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chitoryu12 posted:With Splash Mountain, the question you really need to ask is "What happens when the younger generation asks about this ride?" While the ride itself is as divorced as possible from Song of the South, eventually those black kids going on it will learn that it's based on a movie that shows slavery as not all that bad, and they'll ask why the gently caress you left this up. As the content of the ride goes, Splash Mountain has never been as blatantly offensive to me personally as The Enchanted Tiki Room. Obviously it's not the first/only place Disney has cartooned the Polynesian culture, they have a whole hotel dedicated to doing that in Orlando, and cartooning island culture was simply a big thing in Southern California during Disneyland's era thanks to the success of Don The Beachcomber and other tiki themed establishments. But the choice to use Walt's favorite hack comedian Wally Boag, a white guy, to play Jose, a bird who talks in a stereotypical hispanic drawl and tries to Spanglish it up by using 'senor' in sentences, is modern cringe. Splash Mountain's biggest sin was the use of southern black vernacular that's associated with minstrel acts. I was kind of surprised they didn't whitewash that with new actors, but the corporate problem is the feedback loop of the ride generating outsized demand for a movie that they don't want to show. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jun 26, 2020 |
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couldcareless posted:I'll put 5 dvc points down on delayed in some capacity. I see your 5 points and raise you 15.
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Douchebag posted:I see your 5 points and raise you 15. I'll raise you both 40. I don't have any points at the moment
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Too rich for my blood, I fold. Need to have enough left to kick my inlaws off the continent for Thanksgiving
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mattfl posted:Well I got past the all circuits busy issue, I have however been waiting for a rep for....40 minutes now! Hello and welcome to my world. This happens for me every time there's a discount that needs to be applied.
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I'll admit I'm sad that Splash is gonna change. I'm old enough to remember seeing Song of the South in a theater, but young enough to need my dad to explain the 'problematic' parts and why it was also bad after it was over. Its definitely part of my childhood and a classic to me, and I'll miss it. But also super optimistic about a Princess and the Frog ride there instead, I adored the movie and I can't really think of a better thing to replace Splash with.
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At least in California, most of the general Splash animatronics were just moved from America Sings, and I expect Frogsplash will mostly just give them new hats or something. Not much needs to actually be removed except Brer _______ to fit the theme. Swapping out the tree on top for Mama Odie's boat might take a big crane and some heavy demolition though. I worked on the ride and have significant personal memories there, and join general cast member opinion that Frogsplash will be a very good thing.
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Zero One posted:Some of the dolls are not the best... Our Trader Sam was also made to be a lot more Marc Davis cartoony and ambiguous in terms of ethnicity, whereas Disneyland has him as straight up African and it's...uh...not great. like...look at this. 
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Braksgirl posted:Hello and welcome to my world. This happens for me every time there's a discount that needs to be applied. I got to 58 minutes and then it was time to go home from work. I’ll try again Monday lol
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"Without any announcement, UNIQLO has reclosed at Disney Springs. The location has “closed” signs on the doors and has been removed from the list of open shops on the Disney Springs website. UNIQLO originally reopened with the rest of Disney Springs back on May 20th. Without an official statement, it’s unclear why the location has closed, but the UNIQLO website has removed all hours for the location."
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Oh gently caress me. Uniqlo was the only shop in springs I really gave a poo poo about.
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couldcareless posted:Oh gently caress me. Uniqlo was the only shop in springs I really gave a poo poo about. My Mum is going to be heartbroken by this.
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That sounds more like a temp closing because of the virus than a "we're closed for good"? I hope so at least, pretty much my entire wardrobe comes from that place now.
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J33uk posted:My Mum is going to be heartbroken by this. I know it isn't the same as browsing in person but maybe you guys can Skype call over https://www.uniqlo.com/us/en/home/ browsing? And it can be like a fun little virutal clothes browsing thing, if she's gonna actually be really sad?
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