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TACD: Oct 27, 2000

justcola posted:

Stellar stupidity in small satelitte shocker as slipshod strategy sinks space saps

The government must be wiping tears of laughter from their eyes from how easily they can pull the same scam over and over again

# ? Jun 26, 2020 21:48

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# ? May 28, 2024 12:52

yaffle: Sep 15, 2002; Flapdoodle

Breath Ray posted:

saludos cordiales, all

id like to hear more about your experience there. presume you were with a multinational based in san jose? a home invasion of my place would only yield a refurbed macbook air and some art supplies, so not too put off...yet!

Kind of a multinational, we worked at a United World College, which is a chain of international boarding schools:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_World_Colleges
Ours was interesting because it switched from a SOS children's village high school to a UWC the year we started so we had a population of very poor latinx orphans and relatively rich middle class kids from the rest of the world. There was some friction. I was a house parent, which meant I had a boarding house with 24 teenage boys 10 feet from my front door and got to hear all about how "someone ate my banana" and "I've stabbed myself right through my own hand while cooking what should I do?".

Costa Rica is an amazing country, from my first post I realize I made it sound a bit crappy but it's incredibly beautiful and the people are super friendly. Some of my favorite places in the world are there and I'd love to go back. In fact because my son was born there and it has the Jus Soli (if I've got that right) I can go back because Yo soy Tico.

# ? Jun 26, 2020 21:52

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Pistol_Pete posted:

For those of you currently leaving Labour: my thoughts after sleeping on it:

Due to the Uk's dumb first past the post electoral system, Labour is effectively (at least) two parties. There's a left-wing, socialist party and a sensible-centrist/ christian-democratic party, occupying the same organisation. In any sort of proportional representation system, these would be separate parties but the fptp system means that they've ended up occupying the same organisational space, just to maintain some hope of victory.

Now, unless and until the electoral process in the UK fundamentally changes, the Labour party will remain a perpetual conflict zone, with both factions vying for the right to direct the party. For the last few years the socialist faction has had the upper hand: now, the Christian-democratic faction has come roaring back. The socialist response to this shouldn't be to abandon the party (this is exactly what the centrists want you to do!) but to grit your teeth and dig in for yet another round in the boxing ring.

If our postion on Starmer's ideology and stance is correct, then Starmer's position has no strength and no future and we need to be there to take control back when it inevitably fails. Think about all the looming problems: Brexit, climate change, globalisation, inter-generational conflict etc etc. Do you honestly think Starmer has any sort of coherent response to these issues? This is why we need to hold our positions in the Labour party: ready to take back control after Starmer crashes and burns. So keep engaged, keep organising and stay alert for when events begin to move back in our favour.

The above is my considered response to the events of the last 48 hours

The optimism that the rules don't get changed so the ability for members to choose the leader of the party is returned to 2010 levels is frankly bonkers from where I stand.

I'm not supporting a political party I fundamentally disagree with. Call it moral puritanism or whatever the gently caress you want but Keir Starmer is not a socialist. This is my base line for my support, acknowledging that capitalism is a deeply unequal system by design & that economic inequality is actually really bad for society at large. There's other stuff on top of it like not being a racist & tolerating anti LGBTQ bigotry & not being a totalitarian arsehole & other poo poo but he doesn't even meet the first barrier.

Yeah, obviously keep engaged & organised is good advice but also keep aware that the parliamentary road to socialism is a deadend designed to distract from the actual struggle.

# ? Jun 26, 2020 21:56

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

there's a worthwhile conversation to be had about how imperialist powers pool information and refine methods wrt the best way to pacify restive populations they are subjugating. and actually the israeli security forces are the junior partner in this mutual aid op, more influenced by western security orgs than influencing them. which is the key problem with peake's statement. however i don't want to rob the IDF or israeli government of their agency, this would be problematic.

# ? Jun 26, 2020 22:01

RockyB: Mar 8, 2007; Dog Therapy: Shockingly Good

Oh dear me posted:

Well, I agree, as long as being a member confers significant power to change things and there is no rival organization that offers a better chance at power. It's important to keep assessing the situation though and not just take it for granted that Labour's winnable. If member powers are significantly reduced by the new regime it might not be. And in some places one might think fighting for the left within another party might be more effective (eg Brighton).

But I'm afraid we're also going to have to grit our teeth when people who have left the party say 'look how ineffectual the Labour left is', as if they themselves had not helped bring this about.

To add to this endless back and forth, unless a no-deal Brexit is the thing that finally shakes a deeply complacent / media pacified British public out of their comfortable bubble then Labour won't be getting another chance at power for four and a half years. Personally I'd rather save the money for four years, spending it on pressure groups outside the parliamentary system, than reinforce the current return to out of touch bureaucratic careerism. That Graeber article for me captured the essence of Labour now being for the middle managers rather than the people.

And in four years, after doing my best to put pressure on the party from the outside, I might sign up again.

Obviously I would far prefer the 40 odd proper left wing MPs who currently have safe seats up until the next election split from Labour (possibly with the casus belli of RLB getting purged) and form their own party. We might then actually get some cross party co-operation in four years time. But it seems unlikely.

# ? Jun 26, 2020 22:32

baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

StarkingBarfish posted:

The mirror lens I used for these makes some interesting circular patterns in the background:

thats the bokeh, baby

nice birbs, I like the fluffy first one with the casual bed hair

# ? Jun 26, 2020 22:35

Pablo Bluth: Sep 7, 2007; I've made a huge mistake.

I just managed to slip down by stairs, land on my arse, take a bunch of skin off my elbow and throw a pint of water everywhere.

# ? Jun 26, 2020 22:36

Vitamin P: Nov 19, 2013; Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

namesake posted:

Alternatively:

Parties have collapsed under FPTP and been kicked out of the two party system by them losing their base of support and being replaced by a party with an established connection to a voting base and at total liberty to expose the old party as incapable of dealing with current issues. Labour is already heavily alienated from vast swathes of the country because of its abandonment of supporting working class struggle, New Labours racist and economic right wing policies etc and is bouyed up by inertia and institutional support in the form of the union bureaucracy. Is it better to try and organise anew on the basis of offering real solutions to those problems and putting in the hard work of connecting that group to the working class and its sources of power or will you once again wait around to see a New Labour or Miliband form of Labour collapse in on itself and then go to the masses and say 'Hey we've got the same name and a lot of the same people who have hosed up a lot and you've hated for over a decade but we're different now so we're good again'?

I mean it's a matter of historical record that the Labour Party replaced the Liberal Party in the UK under FPTP. They had millions of union members supporting them as a major difference but still, if you're committing to a decades long campaign, why do it inside an organisation that hates you?

You've recognised union bureaucracy and then suggested that a Dynamic New Link to an organised working class is a medium-term achievable goal in the same paragraph, and then you recognise that your one historical example of how fptp can be thwarted only succeeded because much stronger, much less centralised unionised workers made the difference. Saying 'we'll just do that again' when you've admitted in the same post that the key element couldn't be replicated today doesn't make any sense. Your argument assumes a historically unprecedentedly, incredibly strong/competent/effective party can just emerge and that we should put all our chips on that unlikelihood and like, no? That's obviously not a good gamble?

And it's not about committing to a decades long campaign under some particular flag, it was nice when we had that for a bit but now we don't, so any hope for positive change will neccessarily have to be a combination of different methods and endeavours that can hopefully be coalesced together but even then why would you want the British Labour party to be more not less sympathetic to that movement? Even if it's just to have them cucked and inclined to coalition/being bullied by you rather than them actively amplifying the stamp-down of your hypothetical movement? If you see Labour as an enemy then why would you not encourage saboteurs, even from an abolutist anti-electoralism stance it still makes no sense to encourage surrendering Labour.

# ? Jun 26, 2020 22:41

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

Pablo Bluth posted:

I just managed to slip down by stairs, land on my arse, take a bunch of skin off my elbow and throw a pint of water everywhere.

Ouch, that sounds very painful.

# ? Jun 26, 2020 22:44

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

Did you laugh it off, or throw a little ratty-esque strop at your fall

# ? Jun 26, 2020 22:59

Marmaduke!: May 19, 2009; Why would it do that!?

Crikey I started following that guy who does the "this week in tory" threads on twitter as they seemed quite interesting, but the last few days he's mostly been posting smug tweets about RLB getting fired, wolf howls about Labour returning to form, tweetman retweets, and more recently, profound musings on what Beyoncé's thighs taste like. Gentlegoons, I fear I may have erred in my judgement.

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:00

Pablo Bluth: Sep 7, 2007; I've made a huge mistake.

Ratjaculation posted:

Did you laugh it off, or throw a little ratty-esque strop at your fall

My initial thought was just annoyance at making the carpet wet but now I'm just feeling quietly sorry for myself. Hopefully I don't wake up in the morning too stiff; I'm not the bouncy spring chicken I used to be...

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:07

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Vitamin P posted:

You've recognised union bureaucracy and then suggested that a Dynamic New Link to an organised working class is a medium-term achievable goal in the same paragraph, and then you recognise that your one historical example of how fptp can be thwarted only succeeded because much stronger, much less centralised unionised workers made the difference. Saying 'we'll just do that again' when you've admitted in the same post that the key element couldn't be replicated today doesn't make any sense. Your argument assumes a historically unprecedentedly, incredibly strong/competent/effective party can just emerge and that we should put all our chips on that unlikelihood and like, no? That's obviously not a good gamble?

And it's not about committing to a decades long campaign under some particular flag, it was nice when we had that for a bit but now we don't, so any hope for positive change will neccessarily have to be a combination of different methods and endeavours that can hopefully be coalesced together but even then why would you want the British Labour party to be more not less sympathetic to that movement? Even if it's just to have them cucked and inclined to coalition/being bullied by you rather than them actively amplifying the stamp-down of your hypothetical movement? If you see Labour as an enemy then why would you not encourage saboteurs, even from an abolutist anti-electoralism stance it still makes no sense to encourage surrendering Labour.

My point was 'well we're trapped in FPTP, guess we'd better continue to throw our lot in with the rightwing dickheads and wait for them to gently caress up' is not the only way of proceeding. Political power exists outside of electoral politics and can be seized upon, if you assume that parliament won't be providing solutions to the problems in society then building and influencing if not controlling those sections of power is actually preferable to having parliamentary power.

Power building in Labour is going to involve constantly risking expulsion or demotion because you're actually in a position of responsibility in Labour but don't go along with their rightwing plans or not actually doing anything of significance while you wait for your chance to suddenly get in the drivers seat again. You're not building the kind of lasting power and structure which political projects require to survive their first major defeat. That can only be done fully with a huge degree of independence from current Labour Party attitudes.

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:11

Oh dear me: Aug 14, 2012; I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

RockyB posted:

And in four years, after doing my best to put pressure on the party from the outside, I might sign up again.

But if the right can get a comfortable majority on the NEC they can change the rules so that members can't apply pressure. The conference snd NEC elections are our chance to hinder right wing consolidation and show Starmer the left us still a force he needs to mollify. But I am afraid that in fact the left will lose heavily and show him we're negligible, just because so many have quit.

Joining just before an election seems pointless to me, it's probably the time members have least power over the party (well, in non-covid times).

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:14

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

justcola posted:

Stellar stupidity in small satelitte shocker as slipshod strategy sinks space saps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC41vbQKfck

I can't think of anywhere *worse* in the British Isles for space launches than Cornwall, apart from maybe Heathrow. Landings maybe, but there's basically no safe corridor anywhere apart from straight down the English Channel from Lizard Point - and even them I'm fairly sure the French would be unhappy about us lobbing our junk over Calais, and I'm sure there's no possible ramifications of stage separation/orbital insertion happening over the Middle East.

I mean we've got Ascension Island, closer to the equator than either Cape Canaveral or Baikonur and with a thousand miles of nice safe ocean downrange - if anything the idea of Kernow Spaceport proves just how much our ambitions have atrophied - we've got a perfect opportunity, if we're doing the international willy-waving thing, of demonstrating our Proud Maritime Tradition by setting up a launch site that requires us to move everything there by boat, but no, we've got to make sure Albion I can be shipped to site in the back of a Transit down the A303.

(Ascension would actually be a pretty drat good launch site - all the angular momentum advantages of French Guyana without Caribbean hurricanes beating the poo poo out of it 3 months a year, although I'm sure they'd find a way of loving it up even more spectacularly than they did the new airport on St. Helena where nobody thought to account for prevailing winds, making almost every landing a lottery)

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:25

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I can't think of anywhere *worse* in the British Isles for space launches than Cornwall, apart from maybe Heathrow. Landings maybe, but there's basically no safe corridor anywhere apart from straight down the English Channel from Lizard Point - and even them I'm fairly sure the French would be unhappy about us lobbing our junk over Calais, and I'm sure there's no possible ramifications of stage separation/orbital insertion happening over the Middle East.

I mean we've got Ascension Island, closer to the equator than either Cape Canaveral or Baikonur and with a thousand miles of nice safe ocean downrange - if anything the idea of Kernow Spaceport proves just how much our ambitions have atrophied - we've got a perfect opportunity, if we're doing the international willy-waving thing, of demonstrating our Proud Maritime Tradition by setting up a launch site that requires us to move everything there by boat, but no, we've got to make sure Albion I can be shipped to site in the back of a Transit down the A303.

(Ascension would actually be a pretty drat good launch site - all the angular momentum advantages of French Guyana without Caribbean hurricanes beating the poo poo out of it 3 months a year, although I'm sure they'd find a way of loving it up even more spectacularly than they did the new airport on St. Helena where nobody thought to account for prevailing winds, making almost every landing a lottery)

Ascension would be a great place except for presumably getting the materiel there to launch it in the first place seems tricky?

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:29

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"
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https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/were-labours-antisemitism-failures-really-corbyns-fault/

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quote:

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well, that's okay then

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:33

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

thespaceinvader posted:

Ascension would be a great place except for presumably getting the materiel there to launch it in the first place seems tricky?

And it being a conservation site of global importance

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:37

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

Lol that Newquay airport will ever amount to anything more than being told to get a train because your crop-dusting bi-plane won't be taking you to Exeter for your connecting flight to London now.

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:38

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I can't think of anywhere *worse* in the British Isles for space launches than Cornwall, apart from maybe Heathrow.

They are also planning to build one in Sutherland, proper arse end if nowhere

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:38

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

thespaceinvader posted:

Ascension would be a great place except for presumably getting the materiel there to launch it in the first place seems tricky?

That's what the Royal Yacht Britannia is for!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbYQQE5LZ2E

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:39

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

honestly might just not vote next election depending on my options lol

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:39

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

Jose posted:

honestly might just not vote next election depending on my options lol

Vote Jo

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:41

Vitamin P: Nov 19, 2013; Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Jose posted:

honestly might just not vote next election depending on my options lol

"won't vote against the tories" is a new level of wanker congrats

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:48

Necrothatcher: Mar 26, 2005

At least vote for one of the no-hoper socialist parties so they might get their deposit back.

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:50

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Vitamin P posted:

"won't vote against the tories" is a new level of wanker congrats

He lives in a safe Labour seat it makes no loving difference

PS automatically voting for Labour because oh well at least they aren't the Tories is how we've gotten to a place where the left can be completely ignored.

Make them earn your vote for fucksake

# ? Jun 26, 2020 23:54

Vitamin P: Nov 19, 2013; Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

namesake posted:

My point was 'well we're trapped in FPTP, guess we'd better continue to throw our lot in with the rightwing dickheads and wait for them to gently caress up' is not the only way of proceeding. Political power exists outside of electoral politics and can be seized upon, if you assume that parliament won't be providing solutions to the problems in society then building and influencing if not controlling those sections of power is actually preferable to having parliamentary power.

Power building in Labour is going to involve constantly risking expulsion or demotion because you're actually in a position of responsibility in Labour but don't go along with their rightwing plans or not actually doing anything of significance while you wait for your chance to suddenly get in the drivers seat again. You're not building the kind of lasting power and structure which political projects require to survive their first major defeat. That can only be done fully with a huge degree of independence from current Labour Party attitudes.

Your first point yes, just blindly voting Labour and thinking that's enough is obviously insufficient. Parliament not being a panacea doesn't mean we shouldn't use Parliament for harm-reduction and reducing the legitimisation and potence of negative forces.

And yeah staying in Labour will mean biting your tongue and playing along with evil bullshit for a bit, loving get over yourself hide your power level to stay useful to the cause and also help build the other power structures that we need, those approaches aren't mutually exclusive. Your fudge that it requires "independence from current Labour Party attitudes" is obviously the case but also a non-statement, none of us believe in the evil Starmer poo poo anyway we're already divorced from those attitudes.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:01

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

If you can't advertise your politics you can't recruit to them, if advertising your politics get you kicked out the Labour Party then......

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:04

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Vote Labour but fund the unions

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:13

Vitamin P: Nov 19, 2013; Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

namesake posted:

If you can't advertise your politics you can't recruit to them, if advertising your politics get you kicked out the Labour Party then......

Either you believe in parallel power structures or you don't, don't gotcha your own argument. You can run a food bank and locally organise/radicalise while still not being banned from Labour if you stay calm on Twitter this "advertise your politics" is an electoralism thing you've just now decided matters as a dumb fake counterpoint, it contradicts your earlier position.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:14

Trin Tragula: Apr 22, 2005

Vitamin P posted:

hide your power level

Could we maybe encourage people to stay in Labour without using neo-Nazi catchphrases?

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:26

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

I think if SA had died I would have missed blisteringly bad takes from VitP, but probably not that much.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:29

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Trin Tragula posted:

Could we maybe encourage people to stay in Labour without using neo-Nazi catchphrases?

Genuine question: please could you explain why 'hide your power level' is neo-Nazi? I thought it just meant cover up your knowledge in some area (eg computers or fetishes or something).

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:33

Trin Tragula: Apr 22, 2005

This lady's got a lot of good stuff about how the extreme right co-opts nerd culture, including familiar phrases like "hide your power level", to draw people in.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:38

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Genuine question: please could you explain why 'hide your power level' is neo-Nazi? I thought it just meant cover up your knowledge in some area (eg computers or fetishes or something).

I just thought it was an anime thing but I suppose the venn diagram of anime fan & neo-Nazi is close to a single circle

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:38

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Trin Tragula posted:

This lady's got a lot of good stuff about how the extreme right co-opts nerd culture, including familiar phrases like "hide your power level", to draw people in.

OK thanks.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:47

Tarnop: Nov 25, 2013; Pull me out

Trin Tragula posted:

Could we maybe encourage people to stay in Labour without using neo-Nazi catchphrases?

Consider who you're replying to

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:54

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Well I missed this in all the RLB / SA excitement of the last 2 days:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/25/uk-extinction-rebellion-activists-launch-beyond-politics-party-by-stealing-food

quote:

Extinction Rebellion activists launch UK Beyond Politics party by stealing food
Robin Hood-style shoplifting session at London supermarket �because poverty sucks�

Diane Taylor

Thu 25 Jun 2020 15.39 BSTLast modified on Thu 25 Jun 2020 23.50 BST

A new political party was launched in London on Thursday by a group of activists from Extinction Rebellion, who marked the event by shoplifting a haul of supermarket goods to highlight the instability of global food distribution.

The stunt involved five members of the nascent Beyond Politics party walking out of Sainsbury�s in Camden with shopping trolleys filled with food but without paying.

They were not stopped by staff but two activists were involved in skirmishes with security guards after broadcasting over a loudspeaker that there was free food. While in the store they distributed stickers on various food items that read: �New lower price: free. Because poverty sucks.�

The shoplifting stunt aimed to draw attention to the instability of global food supplies due to the climate emergency and political failures.

The founders of Beyond Politics say the current political system is corrupt and failing. They want to hand power to ordinary people through citizens� assemblies, and plan to field candidates across the country for future local, regional and national elections, starting with a north London activist, Valerie Brown, who is to stand for mayor of London at next year�s election.

�While the government gives billions to its corporate buddies, millions of families don�t have enough money just to feed their kids,� said a spokesperson for the new party.

�We want to establish a participatory democracy. We want to engage everyone and for people to be able to have their say. The current political system is incapable of making the structural changes necessary. We need a complete transformation of politics.�

Extinction Rebellion�s co-founder Roger Hallam is a driving force behind the party.

He told the Guardian: �We are seeing complete incompetence of the governing class. There have been 20,000 unnecessary deaths from Covid. The crowning glory is the inability of the political class to respond to the extinction of the human race.�

Hallam said that the new party was building on long and historic traditions of protest from many different quarters. Hallam generated controversy last year after arguing in an interview that the significance of the Holocaust had been overplayed, saying it was �just another fuckery in human history�.

�Extinction Rebellion do not have a monopoly on civil disobedience. It�s a broad church,� he said. �Going back to suffragettes, Chartists and others. There was already mass disillusionment with the political classes before XR came along. Nothing changes without disruption. We are looking at a fusion of participatory democracy with direct action.�

Thursday�s �supermarket sweep� is the first of a series of direct actions that will culminate in an event in central London on 25 July. With many of the primary colours already taken by other political parties as part of their branding, Beyond Politics has chosen shocking pink as their launch colour.

Party member Benedict McGorty said: �I�m not stealing food, I�m �gift-aiding� it. We are changing the rules because the rules are plain wrong. This is not against Sainsbury�s but the profiteering of a basic human need.�

Brown said: �This action is symbolic of what we all need to do � It�s OK if politicians get things wrong a bit, but not for decades. They have been sitting back and watching the world fall apart. People are going hungry and homeless whilst others chuck tonnes of food in the bin because they�ve got too much money. Supermarkets continue to pollute and destroy with plastic waste and food importation.�

Although Extinction Rebellion also demands the creation of citizens� assemblies, Beyond Politics is organisationally separate from them. Hallam says he is assisting with design and organisational work for the new political party.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 00:59

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Funny, I was just reading about Lucio Urtubia, a Spanish anarchist who partook in what's called "expropriative anarchism" or "individual reclamation" today. Robberies and such like to fund the revolutionary movement & provide aid to exiles from Franco's dictatorship. He got plates to thousands of forgeries of Citibank $100 travellers' cheques which actually hosed with their stockprice & the money was used to fund groups like the Tupamaros.

Anyway, can't wait for the members of this new party to turn themselves into the polis because they are idiots. Commendable idea though.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 01:14

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# ? May 28, 2024 12:52

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

forkboy84 posted:

Funny, I was just reading about Lucio Urtubia, a Spanish anarchist who partook in what's called "expropriative anarchism" or "individual reclamation" today. Robberies and such like to fund the revolutionary movement & provide aid to exiles from Franco's dictatorship. He got plates to thousands of forgeries of Citibank $100 travellers' cheques which actually hosed with their stockprice & the money was used to fund groups like the Tupamaros.

Anyway, can't wait for the members of this new party to turn themselves into the polis because they are idiots. Commendable idea though.

Here's their website. Seems London-focused by the blurb. But really - the blurb about fires!
https://beyondpoliticsparty.com/

quote:

OUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE. gently caress THAT!
It's not just the loving house that�s on fire, the garage is on fire, the garden shed is on fire, the loving Wendy house you got in Argos is on fire. The telly is on fire. That's if you're unlucky enough to find yourself in a house you just finished paying the mortgage for, and it is on fire.

You could be locked in a one bedroom flat with your partner and three kids on the twentieth floor in a tower block, on fire. You could be trapped inside a nylon sleeping bag on top of a bed of free newspapers under a bridge, on fire. The dole office caught fire just after Aldi did. And even the loving fire stations are on fire.

Ya cuppa�s on fire, loser.

Wake up people! No time to wake people up with blowjobs. Shake them hard, slap them hard in the face if necessary, until they get the gently caress up, then jump out the window.

Run, walk� limp.

Outside, the school is in flames, the playground is on fire. The church is on fire, and the mosque and the synagogue and the offie and the Costa are on fire. The whole loving town is on fire. So is the Bank of England, and Number 10. So is Buckingham Palace. And Arsenal stadium. And Millwall�s. Big Ben is like a giant olympic torch. And after all this waiting, you finally get to see the Thames: a proper river of fire. � And Brexit is on fire, and the NHS, and the EU, UN, USA, RAF and FIFA. And America, and Africa. Australia (again!) are on fire. Ibiza and Magaluf: on fire.

(Davos is on fire and nobody gives a gently caress because everyone else is on fire.)

Blacks are on fire, whites are on fire. And asians, queers, golfers and artists; people in wheelchairs are on fire. Hippies are on fire, and pregnant people and nazis and bankers and vloggers are on fire. Nurses and doctors are on fire. In labs, scientists in blue flames shout �we told you so� as they burn. All the people and every single living thing is on fire: the lambs, the goldfish, your dog, your cat, the bees and the flowers. The rats are on fire. Even the loving penguin chicks are on fire, leaving black skid marks on the snow when they run in flames to reach the water. The sea is on fire.

Get it? The World is on fire.

And the space tourists at the International Space Station with the proper astronaut people; open-mouthed watching all this awesome, amazing-looking orange and pink ball of fire; taking all their pills left like popcorn; glugging Russian vodka say: "WE ARE, LIKE, SO BEYOND hosed, WE ARE. TOTALLY, UTTERLY hosed-UP; hosed. WE MAY AS WELL gently caress; FOR gently caress'S SAKE LET'S gently caress."

There's more where that came from.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 01:16

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