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keir starmer, ceo of cops and centrist dads everywhere.
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OwlFancier posted:keir starmer is a cop lol No no, he's a boss cop. He's the pig who tells the other pigs to bash in heads at a peaceful protest.
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Jun 29, 2020 12:55
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Jose posted:he's CEO of BLM now Haven't police depts in the uk already been extensively defunded by the tory party anyway lol
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Jun 29, 2020 13:00
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I do wonder what corbyn's take on the BLM stuff is, specifically anti cop stuff. Not sure whether he would agree with it or whether he's too tied up in the idea that cops are good. If there's anyone in that position I could see getting it'd be him or abbott.
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Jun 29, 2020 13:01
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OwlFancier posted:I do wonder what corbyn's take on the BLM stuff is, specifically anti cop stuff. Not sure whether he would agree with it or whether he's too tied up in the idea that cops are good. His opinion on it is antisemitic, whatever it is, and that's all that really matters.
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Jun 29, 2020 13:02
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OwlFancier posted:I do wonder what corbyn's take on the BLM stuff is, specifically anti cop stuff. Not sure whether he would agree with it or whether he's too tied up in the idea that cops are good. He'd sieg heil, probably. For more details see my new Guardian article
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Jun 29, 2020 13:04
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Nonsense that those police forces shouldn't be popping off rubber bullets like pop caps for the thrill of it and going about in tanks and sports cars with decals on 
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Jun 29, 2020 13:06
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Rustybear posted:Haven't police depts in the uk already been extensively defunded by the tory party anyway lol *ronya comes crashing into the thread to post about corbyn's labour suggesting 10k more cops*
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Jun 29, 2020 13:07
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https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/1277379274446495745 Interesting thread. The electorate as a whole is decently left-wing on the economy, to the point where even Tory voters are closer to Labour MPs than Tory MPs. However, the elctorate is also socially right-wing to the point that the AVERAGE voter is more right-wing than Tory MPs. Basically I think this is the data that's informing Starmer's extreme reluctance to be socially progressive. And it loving sucks.
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Jun 29, 2020 13:08
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I'd be more inclined to suggest that starmer's personal prejudices are informing his position more than anything.
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Jun 29, 2020 13:09
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sebzilla posted:
all the evidence of new labour is that them moving socially right wing just turned the electorate more socially right wing but that it had absolutely no impact on voting because people who are that will continue to vote for parties they trust to give them what they want which isn't labour
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Jun 29, 2020 13:12
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his swift self-correction that Black Lives Matter is not a "movement" but a "moment" is... interesting. what does he feel the difference is. it sounds like he figures it will just go away after a while and then we can get back to not thinking too hard about what police do
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Jun 29, 2020 13:14
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Angepain posted:his swift self-correction that Black Lives Matter is not a "movement" but a "moment" is... interesting. what does he feel the difference is. it sounds like he figures it will just go away after a while and then we can get back to not thinking too hard about what police do He's proving his anti-racist cred by misquoting Hamilton. 
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Jun 29, 2020 13:17
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Comrade Fakename posted:I'm fairly sure spazz, or spastic as a thing to call someone is originally a UK term. I think they got it through 70s/80s punk culture. American Dialect Society posted:spaz, v. Rustybear posted:Haven't police depts in the uk already been extensively defunded by the tory party anyway lol  ), DefundThePolice means stop giving them tanks and assault rifles and instead fund social services and mental health. It's working, LA promised to do exactly that. It doesn't follow in the UK where the police can't afford tanks, but BLMUK are right that we should still fund social services and mental health rather than 10,000,000 extra cops.
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Jun 29, 2020 13:17
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https://twitter.com/Squirrel69Red/status/1277571767255490561?s=20 e: wrt to not sticking up for progressive causes because it might offend the statue nonces, having one main party going full fash and the other going "well we'd really rather you didn't but we don't want to make a fuss" leaves us with like ash Sarkar, Owen Jones and George monbiot (and maybe a handful of others) as literally the only people vocalising leftwing opinions and that is not going to get them normalised when you're fighting against the entire weight of the British establishment XMNN fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jun 29, 2020 |
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Jun 29, 2020 13:17
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Angepain posted:his swift self-correction that Black Lives Matter is not a "movement" but a "moment" is... interesting. what does he feel the difference is. it sounds like he figures it will just go away after a while and then we can get back to not thinking too hard about what police do BLM should be a single point in time where we all come together and solemnly declare racism bad and then pat ourselves on the back and move on. what we must never ever do is actually talk to any BLM activists/BAME people in general, make any sort of changes, or generally investigate how we got to this point at all
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Jun 29, 2020 13:17
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Jose posted:all the evidence of new labour is that them moving socially right wing just turned the electorate more socially right wing but that it had absolutely no impact on voting because people who are that will continue to vote for parties they trust to give them what they want which isn't labour Well yeah but centrists are broken and will only consider chasing voters rather than trying to convince them to change their minds so...
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Jun 29, 2020 13:18
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tbf he was top cop! (the most effectual!, who's intellectual!) whadda yer expect
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Jun 29, 2020 13:20
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Rustybear posted:BLM should be a single point in time where we all come together and solemnly declare racism bad and then pat ourselves on the back and move on. Yeah, I mean I thought we fixed racism when MLK said he had a dream. Maybe we just need to do it one more time and it'll stick. And recasting Cleveland is the way to do that, yes yes.
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Jun 29, 2020 13:24
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josh04 posted:He's proving his anti-racist cred by misquoting Hamilton. Lol if you think that was anything as accidental as a 'misquote'.
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Jun 29, 2020 13:25
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Black Lives Matter is about a bad racism that happened in America so we should all get together and point at the racist America and say "that's racist" and never reflect on ourselves.
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Jun 29, 2020 13:28
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Can I still laugh at Brass Eye's "quadraspazzed on a lifeglug?", where does that fall on the bad spectrum?
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Jun 29, 2020 13:31
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OwlFancier posted:I'd be more inclined to suggest that starmer's personal prejudices are informing his position more than anything. But he's a rational sensible centrist, how dare you imply his worldview may be effected by prejudice or ideology! I think you'll find the liberal mind contains nothing but facts, science, polling data and reasonable compromises :/
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Jun 29, 2020 13:45
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Desiderata posted:I think you'll find the liberal mind contains nothing 
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Jun 29, 2020 13:50
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Failed Imagineer posted:Can I still laugh at Brass Eye's "quadraspazzed on a lifeglug?", where does that fall on the bad spectrum? Moderate hurt but with a coefficient of small joy imo
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Jun 29, 2020 13:51
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Failed Imagineer posted:Can I still laugh at Brass Eye's "quadraspazzed on a lifeglug?", where does that fall on the bad spectrum? Let's ask the Answer Prancer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfXP1KbXPXQ
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Jun 29, 2020 13:52
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Push up discourse has finally cracked my brain. It might be irreparable.
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Jun 29, 2020 13:56
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Jose posted:he's CEO of BLM now Every day he pops up in the news to prevaricate about whether some obvious slam-dunk bad thing has its good parts actually or congratulate the tories on doing the best they can at a difficult time and I'm struggling to remember when he actually said anything useful or good. The tories are killing people in their thousands and he just stands there with a thousand yard stare and a permanently furrowed brow with a face like a guilty puppy you've walked in on making GBS threads in your shoes.Two months in and I'm already sick to death of the sight of the ineffectual milquetoast tosser and if he wants to expel me for lack of decorum he can have my membership card and wedge it up his useless arse because he sure as poo poo isn't interested in fighting for my rights, the spineless, master-butcher-in-a-cheap-suit prick.
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Jun 29, 2020 14:08
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Starmer is MI5
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Jun 29, 2020 14:14
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Bollocks, I just lost a huge saved post about that twitter list of bad words. I'm not convinced that we should cancel calling people stupid basically, but my opinion isn't cast iron and i'm aware of problems with it. I think the root of it is that there are a lot of kids who are labelled stupid when they have undiagnosed conditions (possibly even undiscovered conditions) but labelling them as stupid is a convenient way for uncaring / underfunded authorities to not investigate why that child is struggling. There are times when on podcasts, or this thread, or twitter when people say stuff like "Imagine not knowing X," and I didn't know X, and then I feel bad; so I get the 'try not to make people feel like poo poo about stuff they can't help' aspect. On the other hand, there is something not only cathartic but also accurate seeming about calling Donald Trump a stupid motherfucker for failing to understand how skin, or light, or bleach works. There is a similar feeling to calling Brendan O'Neil and Ben Shapiro stupid, even if they use enough big words to hide how moronic their pet theories are. In Destiny 2 at the moment there's a whole thing about calling Titans 'crayon eaters' that's blown up. If I understand it correctly, there was a big contest between the three classes, Titans won, and the other 2 classes grumbled that of course the big stupid jocks won. Someone started referring to them as crayon eaters, someone complained to the community manager that it was abusive to autistic kids* and the community manager had a rant at the community, which just made them double down on the meme. I think it depends if you're punching down or not, like the examples of Trump or Shapiro vs say a teacher calling a kid stupid. * Not really, I mean some autistic kids put things in their mouths inappropriately but it feels like there's a conflation here between autistic kids and kids that are just stupid. If she'd said pika she might have had a point.
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Jun 29, 2020 14:15
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Isomermaid posted:Every day he pops up in the news to prevaricate about whether some obvious slam-dunk bad thing has its good parts actually or congratulate the tories on doing the best they can at a difficult time and I'm struggling to remember when he actually said anything useful or good. The tories are killing people in their thousands and he just stands there with a thousand yard stare and a permanently furrowed brow with a face like a guilty puppy you've walked in on making GBS threads in your shoes.Two months in and I'm already sick to death of the sight of the ineffectual milquetoast tosser and if he wants to expel me for lack of decorum he can have my membership card and wedge it up his useless arse because he sure as poo poo isn't interested in fighting for my rights, the spineless, master-butcher-in-a-cheap-suit prick.
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Jun 29, 2020 14:16
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Is it still OK to bodyshame Brendan O'Neil for his infinite expanse of forehead?
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Jun 29, 2020 14:17
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Rustybear posted:Haven't police depts in the uk already been extensively defunded by the tory party anyway lol Yes, but strangely they can still afford to keep stables of horses for the purposes of trampling protestors and bring out hundreds of officers in riot gear for little purpose, etc. Alternatively (or additionally), yes, job 1 is done, now when we next have a change to actually fund public services, let's leave police funding broadly where it is, and instead fund housing, social programmes, mental health services, PHYSICAL health services, additction recovery programmes, homelessness reduction, UBI, green jobs, etc etc etc etc. All the things that actually reduce crime and the need for the police, rather than just putting more money into cops and prisons and criminalising whole swathes of the populace for no reason.
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Jun 29, 2020 14:19
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keep punching joe posted:Starmer is MI5 You know what's really depressing me. We could get a leak from MI5 showing that they actively sabotaged Labour for ten years and pushed Starmer to become Labour leader and the most attention it would garner would be on twitter. The press would ignore it and move on. We've completely abdicated any power or position in mainstream electoral politics and we're just cut out entirely beyond occasional jabs about twitter. I'm just so loving done with British politics and Labour in general.
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Jun 29, 2020 14:19
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keep punching joe posted:Starmer is MI5 he's a member of the trilateral commission and you know which massive nonce was also a member?
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Jun 29, 2020 14:20
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Jose posted:he's a member of the trilateral commission and you know which massive nonce was also a member? The real Deus ex is just painfully lame
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Jun 29, 2020 14:23
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tbf to Donald trump he has done at least some good for the world by providing us a non-ableist alternative to various slurs in the form of "presidential" also I only found out that the trilateral commission is actually real and not an illuminati style conspiracy theory because someone mentioned Keir starmer was on it, lol
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Jun 29, 2020 14:24
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I was jesting about MI5 but after googling it 
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Jun 29, 2020 14:27
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keep punching joe posted:Is it still OK to bodyshame Brendan O'Neil for his infinite expanse of forehead? Also he keeps popping up because he has nothing going for him other than terrible opinions which aren't even worth engaging with for the purposes of mockery. Also  Gonzo McFee posted:You know what's really depressing me. We could get a leak from MI5 showing that they actively sabotaged Labour for ten years and pushed Starmer to become Labour leader and the most attention it would garner would be on twitter. The press would ignore it and move on. We've completely abdicated any power or position in mainstream electoral politics and we're just cut out entirely beyond occasional jabs about twitter. Hopefully less people will care about the press and more people will care about other more communal sources of news as time goes on, although I can see the monkey paw curling over nazi twitter as I type this.
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keep punching joe posted:Is it still OK to bodyshame Brendan O'Neil for his infinite expanse of forehead? It's a moral imperative.
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