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potatocubed posted:Ennie award nominees and judge's spotlight winners are up: http://www.ennie-awards.com/blog/2020-nominees-and-judges-spotlight-winners/ My first nomination!
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LatwPIAT posted:No Flying Circus, which is obviously some kind of bias and not just me being salty a game I've worked on isn't a nominee. I don't follow the Ennies. Do they nominate games that aren't done?
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Jun 29, 2020 18:48
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homullus posted:I don't follow the Ennies. Do they nominate games that aren't done? Yep. Mothership won a few last year and it’s in beta (although it’s a high quality beta).
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Jun 29, 2020 19:03
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homullus posted:I don't follow the Ennies. Do they nominate games that aren't done? It was on the list of submissions, it just doesn't seem to have ended up on the shortlist of nominees. And it's done in the sense that it's a released game that you can buy on DTRPG, even if Erika is hard at work patching it for a 1.1 release.
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Jun 29, 2020 19:19
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potatocubed posted:Ennie award nominees and judge's spotlight winners are up: http://www.ennie-awards.com/blog/2020-nominees-and-judges-spotlight-winners/ Oh is that the same Oliver Clegg on the winner's list that sparked the last few pages of edition discourse? The same person that complained about people not showcasing non-D&D TTRPGs? There, on the list of non-D&D TTRPGs?
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Jun 29, 2020 19:40
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Green Intern posted:Oh is that the same Oliver Clegg on the winner's list that sparked the last few pages of edition discourse? The same person that complained about people not showcasing non-D&D TTRPGs? There, on the list of non-D&D TTRPGs? All of his entries are 5e adventures, so it's even worse.
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Jun 29, 2020 19:42
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The ennies still suck and will always suck and I will never care who wins one. They might do a good job at saying what ENworld forums users are into. I dunno. I don't care what they are into. Judging by the Ennies every year, they are mostly into poo poo with occasional lapses into accidental good taste (stopped clock and all that).
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Jun 29, 2020 21:42
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Yeah, it is just a popularity contest because of course it is. Not that winning one isn't great, but lots of great things also never get mentioned. If quality was what mattered most in trad games, the whole industry would be a whole different beast.
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Jun 29, 2020 21:53
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Every year it's the same poo poo for me, cycle right through A) Aw man, no nomination for my podcast again? B)Guess I better congratulate the people I know who did get nominated. C) Wait better not since I just remembered the Ennies are a total shitshow and I can't be sure I won't say that in public later.
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Jun 29, 2020 22:23
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TheArchimage posted:Wrong. 4e has a bonus treadmill system, rather the opposite of bounded accuracy. It depends which part of bounded accuracy. 4e has level scaling but keeps the characters within the same range. Yes, I was overstating things here. quote:In a very vague sense. 4e's system is itself based heavioy on 3.x's; the math is the same based on a 3.x character putting their max starting ranks into class skills and increasing them every level. It's one of the most conservative changes in the entire edition. 3e has an absurd clunky system where you get a ridonculous number of skill points with >30 defined skills with your Int modifier adding to the number of skills with the fighter and cleric starting off with enough points to train two skills. 4e and 5e have a trained/untrained binary and about seventeen skills with most starting characters starting with four trained skills. And then there's the nature of the skills; 4e and 5e share pretty light skill systems whereas 3.5 has a skill system so tightly defined that you get the D&D standard tree (DC 15 to climb). quote:Staggeringly wrong, 4e frontloads a character's HP so a 1st level character won't be taken out in one hit. 5e explicitly runs you straight up to level 3 ridiculously fast and treats levels 1 and 2 as training levels that go by in the blink of an eye (you should by the incredibly silly guidelines be able to level out of 1st and 2nd in a working day each). The other thing about hp is that by rounding up from average 5e encourages you not to roll and makes rolling hit points effectively vestigial in a way rounding down doesn't. quote:It also has basically no way to subvert the damage system First, Intimidate - OK, so that very quickly got houseruled out of 4e. Second 5e has oD&D magic. I have never said it didn't have oD&D magic. But it's pared back oD&D magic, not ridiculously detailed 3.5 magic. quote:Healing Surges allow for healing spells and abilities to stay relevant throughout a character's career and also serves as a pacing mechanism for the adventuring day; Hit Dice do neither of these despite looking vaguely similar if you look at them through a drinking glass and squint. Hit dice do help be a pacing mechanism. They are watered down. quote:Are you even serious? The Points of Light setting was tossed bodily out the window. Not a trace of it remains. Literally every 4e FR change was retconned so it didn't happen whether this made sense or not. 4e's fluff has been entirely memory holed. There is not a single trace of it remaining in 5e. I'm talking about the fluff that's part of the game rather than the optional setting that does not appear in e.g. homebrew games. I'm talking about things like the Warlock pacts (taken straight from 4e and nowhere near the 3e warlock), Sorcerer bloodlines, Paladins that don't require a specific God. I'm talking about thieves that can go above and beyond, filching something as a minor action because they are a thief and have that utility power rather than because they are a really high level thief who took -20 on their check. I'm talking about specialist wizards whose specialism makes them better at the individual spells of their specialist school rather than just getting more spells. I'm talking about actual wire-fu monks that work. I'm talking about goblins that slip out of combat easily rather than simply are a line of numbers that are different from orcs only in what they add to d20 rolls and kobolds that get a bonus for actively swarming their foes. I'm talking about succubi that have their own mechanics for seduction rather than being wizards with prosthetic foreheads. I'm talking about dragons that get to act at multiple points within the turn including interrupting with a tail whip rather than a silly claw/claw/bite/wing buffet/wing buffet/tail slap attack routine or behaving as a sorcerer. It's watered down 4e - but it's far more 4e than literally anything else, especially 3.X with its ubiquitous and uniform detailed blandness and prosthetic forehead wizards. The only parts I actually see 3.X in rather than oD&D magic and a 4e engine is the setting - and arguably the saving throws. The part that is trivially removable. Is it pure 4e? No. But I'm trying to find any parts that are characteristic of 3.X and not shared with either (a) 4e or (b) pre-WotC D&D.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Yeah, it is just a popularity contest because of course it is. Not that winning one isn't great, but lots of great things also never get mentioned. It's not just that it's a popularity contest. And is not just that it's an online popularity contest and thus subject to brigading and mass voting. My specific complaint is that it's a popularity contest within a social group I'm not a part of. Like, SA awards would still be a pointless popularity contest, but I at least respect the tastes of SA posters broadly. If they existed, I'd vote and congratulate winners. ENworld? Why would I care? Do ENworld posters care what games are most popular on SA? I doubt it. Why would they? I wouldn't go poo poo on the Ennies on ENworld - that's their thing and they are welcome to it. I hope they enjoy it. But I'll poo poo on it all day here, though! I wonder what games will join the proud heights amongst past winners such as "literally a copy of a 20 year old game with some house rules" and "what if Willy Wonka was way more racist and disgusting." Jimbozig fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jun 29, 2020 |
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Jun 29, 2020 23:27
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I should start my own awards thing each year. Just Ars Magica and Wraith 20 winning everything over and over. Maybe a nod to WFRP 4th and Blades in the Dark some years. I mean, they are the best games.
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Jun 29, 2020 23:39
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I'm glad to get a nomination cause it's all that's out there but like I said on tweets, it's hard to be too proud given everything the awards have done generally. But I'm gonna be hype cause Americana is like 5 people's first publication and if they get to be award winning authors, that's cool imo. And if it means the industry takes SPG more seriously, that means I can keep funneling cash and work to co-ops and other small crews. Don't get me wrong they still suck poo poo and I'm not going to any award ceremony with GR and Mike Mearls present and I've said as much. The Sandy Pug Game Awards, are, of course, the only good awards.
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Jun 29, 2020 23:43
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I admit to thinking that awards are poo poo if Jenna Moran hasn't won one, but that isn't completely unreasonable as a metric.
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Jun 30, 2020 00:31
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https://twitter.com/Lancer_RPG/status/1277650899243077632 https://twitter.com/Lancer_RPG/status/1277719940779343872
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Kai Tave posted:https://twitter.com/Lancer_RPG/status/1277650899243077632 This is the best thing to happen in 2020 so far.
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Jun 30, 2020 02:03
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Reach heaven through violence you glorious motherfuckers.
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Jun 30, 2020 02:10
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berry orgy berry orgy
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Jun 30, 2020 02:24
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ATTACK AND DETRONE THE ENNIES
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Jun 30, 2020 02:27
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I want Lancer to win anyway so that their gently caress you gets logged in the history books.
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Jun 30, 2020 02:28
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I mean the fact that Lancer isn't up for an art award, or that comp/con isn't up for anything, just goes to demonstrate what a joke the ENnies are. There isn't an RPG that's come out in the last decade with such a murderer's row of art talent, and not even the big publishers have been able to put out a digital toolset as functional and attractive. Like I'd have more respect for them if it had been nominated for those things and skipped over for Best Free Book or whatever.
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http://www.lotfp.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=237/ 'BLOOD IN THE CHOCOLATE is a psycho-sexual romp that pits characters not just against their enemies, but against their own twisting, melting, inflating, or poisoned bodies." I'm not going to read the adventure to find out but I'm assuming it's this.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:http://www.lotfp.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=237/ There's a Fatal & Friends review that goes into more detail if you really want, it joins the proud LotFP tradition of adventure modules that are completely pointless to engage with even without all the rape and gross poo poo, it's another "you'd have been better off just not playing this because you'll probably come out of it with a bunch of debilitating magic curses and infections and only a modest reward" type of thing.
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I'm so glad you guy are calling them out because those awards are a loving sham and that adventure (hell the whole product line really) is just loving stupid and gross.
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Massif snubbing the Ennies really warms my heart, hopefully some others will follow suit and it'll prompt people to put together a real award with real submissions and real judges to get real press instead.Rand Brittain posted:I admit to thinking that awards are poo poo if Jenna Moran hasn't won one, but that isn't completely unreasonable as a metric. 
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Jun 30, 2020 05:18
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Rand Brittain posted:I admit to thinking that awards are poo poo if Jenna Moran hasn't won one, but that isn't completely unreasonable as a metric. Honestly, that's a good point.
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Rand Brittain posted:I admit to thinking that awards are poo poo if Jenna Moran hasn't won one, but that isn't completely unreasonable as a metric. When you're right, you're right, and here you're right because that's a completely reasonable metric.
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Lambo Trillrissian posted:Massif snubbing the Ennies really warms my heart, hopefully some others will follow suit and it'll prompt people to put together a real award with real submissions and real judges to get real press instead. We could always try doing the Groggies again 
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Jun 30, 2020 06:42
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Admiral Joeslop posted:http://www.lotfp.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=237/ It's basically "What if charlie and the chocolate factory was edgy snuff porn?" as an adventure path.
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Rand Brittain posted:I admit to thinking that awards are poo poo if Jenna Moran hasn't won one, but that isn't completely unreasonable as a metric. Yeah I tend to bounce off of her work pretty hard (from what I’ve read) but that is definitely based on random personal foibles and I can admit it’s very, very good at what it sets out to do. And holy gently caress if she can’t write some fluff. I just prefer an ever so slight more bit of crunch so like Blades or whatever hits me better. But she’s doing a great job at exactly what she sets out to do. Any criticisms I have would be like why a random anime isn’t Taxi Driver or whatever ; it’d totally be missing the point of critique.
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2020 game awards winner: my favorite game runner-up: your favorite game
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The IGDN Groundbreakers tend to not be the worst, at least in my experience. The Diana Jones are too linked to GenCon administration while the Ennies are... the Ennies. The Groundbreakers seem to do a decent job of highlighting good and new games, usually from good and new designers.
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Leraika posted:The fact that Lancer didn't get an art nod is shocking. It's only down under 'best electronic book' so not sure if they have some weird criteria. This is definitely the most indie-friendly list they've put out that hasn't been obviously gamed to include bigots.
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Their response is, uh https://twitter.com/LotFP/status/1277825804525727745?s=20
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The Deleter posted:Their response is, uh That's the authors' response, not the ENnies. (I can't remember, is LotFP the one that's actually written by abuser, rapist, and pant-shitter Zak "I am so edgy that I made my name Sabbath" Smith, or did he just have a big hand in its creation?)
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https://twitter.com/trollishdelver/status/1277664398815961094 Also, that lotfp book getting the award was absolutely one of the things that led to more exposure on how easily manipulated getting 'your' judges into the role to decide what books to nominate was, and how abusable the whole thing was. The Ennies didn't publicised it but did say they were changing their systems because of flaws. Whybird posted:That's the authors' response, not the ENnies. Zak's heavily involved but didn't create it.
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Whybird posted:That's the authors' response, not the ENnies. Lamentations of the Flame Princess as the old-school D&D spinoff was written by James Raggi IV. Presumably, he's also the one running that LOTFP account. Zak S is associated with LOTFP because he's written a couple of adventures for it, such as Death Frost Doom (also bad), and Maze of the Blue Medusa (also bad) Blood in the Chocolate was written by Kiel Chenier, who seems to have written a bunch of other 3rd-party D&D-compatible stuff, including something called "Peril of the Fat Princess"
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