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biznatchio posted:So how long do you think it'll be until we start hearing about health insurance companies denying claims based on people's Facebook posts about refusing to wear masks as evidence that they failed to attempt to avoid or mitigate injury? Failure to attempt to avoid or mitigate injury is a reason a health insurer can use to deny a claim. "good luck proving where/when you caught the virus" -every insurance company in the world
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at this point you can get the same quote from any random SA goon ITT like yeah no poo poo WHO, no fuckin' poo poo. we have eyes. heres a fun site with different graphs then the other doom graphs if you wanna change it up a lil https://rt.live/  e: oh also broadway is officially shut down until jan 2021 in nyc zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jun 29, 2020 |
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Tipps posted:I have a dark vision of a hellworld where any potential vaccine isn't tested on good, god fearing (white) Americans anyways, but on expendable humans in the third world, who have vastly less legal and civil protection. That’s exactly what’s happening, advanced vaccines are being tested in Brazil lol
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:That’s exactly what’s happening, advanced vaccines are being tested in Brazil lol They're not economically feasible. I hear each successful dose costs brazilians.
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zer0spunk posted:at this point you can get the same quote from any random SA goon ITT Florida you knuckleheads.
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:That’s exactly what’s happening, advanced vaccines are being tested in Brazil lol Yes, this is a problem. However, vaccines need to be tested in areas with large numbers of cases, increasing the chances of exposure so you can say confidently that yes, this vaccine prevents contracting the disease. Originally it was going to be targeted to front line health care workers in the US. But it was assumed that by June, case counts in the US would be way down so Brazil was a better option just in terms of disease exposure. Obviously AZ way underestimated how stupid the US is. I would prefer a few human challenge trials, but no one asked me.
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canyoneer posted:They're not economically feasible. thank you for this.
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Rolo posted:Florida you knuckleheads. one of the fun parts about that site is when you rollover a state and it gives you the markers for stay in place orders started/lifted who wants to guess what happens when you lift them?
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Philthy posted:I'm not the poster you're referring to, but I've been following along. The worry is that the health care industry is a for-profit industry. Salaries, bonuses, and employment itself is all based around selling product. Anyone that has any understanding of the history of Capitalism knows exactly what we're all worried about. I wasn't going to reply because I couldn't effort up the words the way I wanted, but Philthy nailed it on the head. I can't trust the FDA since it is compromised or ineffective, I can't trust U.S. medical companies since they value the dollar over human life, and I can't trust my local doctor either because I don't know if they actually care or if they're just puppeting a larger organization or are in it for the money. So, I will wait for the go ahead on any vaccine from a health organization that isn't for-profit.
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Philthy posted:I'm not the poster you're referring to, but I've been following along. The worry is that the health care industry is a for-profit industry. Salaries, bonuses, and employment itself is all based around selling product. Anyone that has any understanding of the history of Capitalism knows exactly what we're all worried about. Completely agree. And you have a right to be nervous. I’m not saying everyone line up at the trump vaccine injection centers as soon as they’re available, but there are people who actually care about safety and their work that are working on these things. I don’t get bonuses based on whether a drug/vaccine is approved or not, but I do care about the safety of the patients in the trials I’m working on. For the record, I’m all for socialization of health care in the US, fully knowing that this would likely lower my current salary.
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for context look at this post posted in the last drat hour in another threadLifeSunDeath posted:I've worked in hospitals, every decision about patient care starts with "what kind of insurance do they have" and usually ends with "insurance isn't going to pay for that, so they gotta discharge them." It's all about insurance, not about patient care. Sometimes indigent patients get lots of care though...being totally broke and constantly going to the hospital is a legit strategy to get care, but lots of people have at least a little bit of assess to lose and end up dying at home instead of risking going bankrupt though the hospital. The U.S. medical system does not give a drat about us.
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obviously there are a lot of reasons why people want to believe this, but there are more and more studies and evidence coming out that indicates that schools aren't a massive hotspot of infections like bars are. and i haven't seen any studies to the contrary if true there is some very interesting explanation i'm sure a couple of months ago anybody i saw posting this sort of thing i felt obviously had an agenda (get these drat kids out of my house) but by now it does seem as if there is something different going on there
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biznatchio posted:So how long do you think it'll be until we start hearing about health insurance companies denying claims based on people's Facebook posts about refusing to wear masks as evidence that they failed to attempt to avoid or mitigate injury? Failure to attempt to avoid or mitigate injury is a reason a health insurer can use to deny a claim. Is this necessarily a bad thing? I don't know if Burt's "no bloodlust" rule is still in effect and that's not what I'm trying to do, but I don't see a problem with giving priority to people who tried to avoid the virus and still caught it as opposed to dipshits who publicly and proudly shunned basic safety advice.
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Polio Vax Scene posted:So, I will wait for the go ahead on any vaccine from a health organization that isn't for-profit. Like who? Who has the capacity to start chugging out hundreds of millions of vaccine doses and also isn't a megacorporation?
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central dogma posted:Like who? Who has the capacity to start chugging out hundreds of millions of vaccine doses and also isn't a megacorporation? elon musk flavored vaccZ with every gRiMeZ album purchase
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zer0spunk posted:"good luck proving where/when you caught the virus" -every insurance company in the world
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https://twitter.com/JonCampbellGAN/status/1277632110849921029 Tedious toil later https://twitter.com/delytron/status/1277674952972357632
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zer0spunk posted:elon musk flavored vaccZ with every gRiMeZ album purchase Thanks for that 
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Mozi posted:obviously there are a lot of reasons why people want to believe this, but there are more and more studies and evidence coming out that indicates that schools aren't a massive hotspot of infections like bars are. and i haven't seen any studies to the contrary What? The situation on the ground is the exact opposite of what you're describing. Tons of schools around the world have had to shut down quickly after reopening because of outbreaks. quote:Two weeks after Israel fully reopened schools, a COVID-19 outbreak sweeping through classrooms — including at least 130 cases at a single school — has led officials to close dozens of schools where students and staff were infected. A new policy orders any school where a virus case emerges to close. quote:Seoul (CNN)More than 500 schools closed again Friday to students after briefly reopening, as South Korea moves to stamp out a resurgence of the coronavirus in the capital, Seoul, and its surrounding metropolitan area. quote:ARIS — Just one week after a third of French schoolchildren went back to school in an easing of coronavirus lockdowns, a worrying flareup of about 70 COVID-19 cases has been linked to schools.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/us-fda-allows-emergency-use-of-danahers-covid-19-antibody-test.html Now I know Beckman is a for-profit corporation and the FDA is corrupt, but I thought I'd link this article in the COVID-19 thread anyway. They're claiming 99% accuracy with these new tests and have shipped to over 400 hospitals. Maybe the time for contact tracing is now (3 months too late)!
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COVID-420 posted:What? The situation on the ground is the exact opposite of what you're describing. Tons of schools around the world have had to shut down quickly after reopening because of outbreaks. can you link these sources please? i'm not seeing the same thing for example https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-france-paris-schools-precaution-coronavirus.html quote:French authorities have closed two schools in Paris as a precautionary measure after the discovery of coronavirus cases but they have not been classed as potentially dangerous clusters, authorities said Wednesday. i can't find any news articles that indicate that South Korea is having outbreaks in schools, only that they are having hotspots in other places and may need to close more things down again i saw some news about Israeli schools a month ago but nothing more recently singapore reopened schools a month ago and their only hotspots are still foreign worker dormitories
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Worst is yet to come and babe that won't be fine You think you've seen the Trump But you ain't seen it slime A wait til the count up's under way Now is the time to fret And wait til you see that tragic day You ain't seen nothing yet The worst is yet to come And babe that won't be fine Worst is yet to come, Come the box that's pine
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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01891-8 So uh... COVID-19 might give survivors diabetes. .... I want to move to Mars, this planet is hosed.
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Beachcomber posted:Worst is yet to come and babe that won't be fine
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I'll take all the vaccines so my immune system becomes proactive and hunts the virus down in an area around me. I think that happened on Fringe?
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Rexxed posted:I'll take all the vaccines so my immune system becomes proactive and hunts the virus down in an area around me. I think that happened on Fringe? There wan episode of Star Trek TNG that was like this. Some scientists genetically engineered some Super Kids and it caused problems because their immune system would lash out a sick person, attacking disease and carrier alike. All the regular humans on the station almost died because someone got the space flu and the kids were subconsciously, defensively killing them.
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Chomp8645 posted:There wan episode of Star Trek TNG that was like this. Some scientists genetically engineered some Super Kids and it caused problems because their immune system would lash out a sick person, attacking disease and carrier alike. All the regular humans on the station almost died because someone got the space flu and the kids were subconsciously, defensively killing them. Yeah that's probably where I got my vague recollection from. Thanks!
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Polio Vax Scene posted:The U.S. medical system does not give a drat about us. Also completely agreed  . The system sucks. I’ve advocated and voted for pro-socialized medicine candidates, but we all know how that’s gone so far.An anecdotal case doesn’t make up for it, but I have seen a trauma center here authorize a $100,000+ dose of some rare antivenin for a baby that was suspected to have been bitten by some spider. The parents would never have been able to pay for it, but the hospital did it anyway, likely knowing full well they’ll never get paid for it. I also think it has to do with which hospital you go to. Here, we have what I like to call the “county” hospital that treats all cases regardless of ability to pay. I’ve worked there and I never saw a “we don’t think someone can pay, so we’re not going to help them” situation. They would send you a big fat bill, knowing they wouldn’t get paid, but they’d treat immediate and chronic issues that needed hospitalization. If you needed continuing care once discharged, you’re on your own. Then we have the competing hospital that is run by a religious (  ) institution. They have built gleaming towers and the patients at the “county” hospital all complain about the rooms, saying the religious hospital’s rooms are better. They will treat immediate emergencies and if you can’t afford to pay, they’ll transfer your rear end right off to the “county” hospital.
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ThermoPhysical posted:https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01891-8 this is nothing new for viruses; they've already been linked to type 1 diabetes https://www.health.com/condition/type-1-diabetes/diabetes-enterovirus
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ThermoPhysical posted:https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01891-8 Just excellent lmao 
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I think it needs to be said that they don’t know for sure if it causes it. It’s just a theory.
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Posters ITT are literally antivaxxing and directly arguing against a professional that works in clinical trials You don't believe in science and expert opinions, you believe in pessimism above all else Bring on the dogpile and reports you stupid loving pieces of poo poo (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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feelix posted:Posters ITT are literally antivaxxing and directly arguing against a professional that works in clinical trials Haha love this hurt me daddy mood you have going. have you recently been In an automotive accident or maybe fell down and bumped your head or something?
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If the climate change consensus shifted to "things are looking up" you would flip your opinion on scientific consensus and construct a conspiracy theory about how the scientists are lying
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feelix posted:Posters ITT are literally antivaxxing and directly arguing against a professional that works in clinical trials Coronavirus vaccines are a conservative hoax!
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feelix posted:Posters ITT are literally antivaxxing and directly arguing against a professional that works in clinical trials so you did not look at the flower pot cat you should, it's p. sweet
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