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They look like balloons a week after the party
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Honestly, there's nothing weird about boobs looking like that. That's basically just the reality behind what boobs do without support. That said, the Ink Witch is such a freaking creeper. I have no idea what her problem is or why she is so obsessed with this guy she's barely met. Maybe she'll explain in the next page, but for the moment I'm just so strongly off-put by her behaviour. I was assuming he was like, accessing dream stuff by his own merits, but if that's not the case I'm just totally lost.
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Jun 29, 2020 15:59
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Riot Bus posted:That said, the Ink Witch is such a freaking creeper. I have no idea what her problem is or why she is so obsessed with this guy she's barely met. She saw Beauty & the Beast in her formative years and now has a fetish for ugly beastmen.
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Jun 29, 2020 16:46
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Just another reminder that we still don't even know her name. Have Snout and The Creep Witch had any positive interactions? Initially: - She lied to him with magic to make him an accessory to her prior count of petty larceny - She nearly got him killed multiple times in the process of tracking down five-ish pages written in a font that could've been read from orbit - She blew up his house and abandoned him Since her post House Explosion reintroduction: - She introduced herself by trying to "glomp" hug him - She's repeatedly initiated other forms of physical contact that he finds uncomfortable - - He's either too timid or too afraid to ask her to stop (which I think we're supposed to read as him being ok with this but is still the exact opposite of consent) - And now we've just learned she's been casting magic on him the entire time without his knowledge or consent
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Jun 29, 2020 16:51
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Riot Bus posted:Honestly, there's nothing weird about boobs looking like that. That's basically just the reality behind what boobs do without support. It's her middle that's super loving weird in that panel
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Jun 29, 2020 18:53
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what if the ink witch has a name but it can't be written, only spoken aloud you know, for ink witch reasons
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Jun 29, 2020 18:59
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I think a big part of the problem is that they're fairly realistically drawn boobs as noted, but that it doesn't fit the bad anime style he otherwise has, making them look more crappy than they would on a real woman. When everything else is exaggerate and stylized - albeit poorly in this case - realism will stand out as kind of disappointing looking.
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Jun 29, 2020 19:00
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Finding out that someone has been repeatedly casting mind-affecting magic on you without your awareness or consent would be like finding out they offering you warm, drugged milk each night before bed without telling you it was drugged. Snout is way too relaxed about this.
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Jun 29, 2020 19:34
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The thing that really hammers the loving disonnance here is that she knows it's loving wrong. She sees Snout's question and her expression is like "oh no, oh I hosed up, I did the bad thing and he figured it out". And then because Snout is post-facto ok with it we're supposed to think it was fine, even though the comic has already acknowledged that it is not.
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Jun 29, 2020 19:40
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On the bright side, at least Snout's bed smells like girl now.
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Jun 29, 2020 19:44
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Mookie has hosed up ideas about consent
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Jun 29, 2020 19:44
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He has hosed up ideas about a great many things. It's just the consent ones are the most worrisome. EDIT: Also remember that Dominic was raped by the busty musclegirl. They were still friends despite that and it was something treated as a joke. It was an 'oh, you!' moment for her, not a 'you loving monster, you raped me, I want nothing to do with you ever.' moment. You have to remember that Mookie is coming from a world of anime, particularly 1990s anime. Rape and sexual assault are punchlines and comedy, except when a villain does when it's just edgy drama. But any and all things a woman does sexually to a man, regardless of consent, are either comedic and/or sexy.
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Jun 29, 2020 19:46
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YF-23 posted:The thing that really hammers the loving disonnance here is that she knows it's loving wrong. She sees Snout's question and her expression is like "oh no, oh I hosed up, I did the bad thing and he figured it out". And then because Snout is post-facto ok with it we're supposed to think it was fine, even though the comic has already acknowledged that it is not.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:He has hosed up ideas about a great many things. It's just the consent ones are the most worrisome.  I somehow have absolutely no recollection of that. What the gently caress?
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Regalingualius posted:
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Jun 29, 2020 20:49
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She did it to Celesto too.
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Jun 29, 2020 21:06
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And then Dominic used her sex bond to find him.
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Elysiume posted:Finding out that someone has been repeatedly casting mind-affecting magic on you without your awareness or consent would be like finding out they offering you warm, drugged milk each night before bed without telling you it was drugged. Snout is way too relaxed about this. I think I just realized: Mookie's been watching or playing the Witcher, hasn't he? She's Yennefering him and he's cool with it.
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Elysiume posted:Finding out that someone has been repeatedly casting mind-affecting magic on you without your awareness or consent would be like finding out they offering you warm, drugged milk each night before bed without telling you it was drugged. Snout is way too relaxed about this. And then when you realize your first question is to ask how rohypnol works.
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Jun 30, 2020 03:49
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Time to give 'em the 'ol Wednesday backpedal. If she knew this was happening, why did she keep cozying up to Snout without asking or telling him what was happening? Mookie's blown it with this character so hard that I can't see a way you justify her behavior without calling it out in story.
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Jun 30, 2020 17:59
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I thought it was another Ink Witch that screwed over Arudak?
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Jun 30, 2020 18:08
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She stole from him, so Arudak beat up one of her friends, which she used as post-facto justification for her original theft. This is why it's important to give characters names.  It doesn't change the fact that she could've told Snout about this at any time with her "able to communicate information to him freely" ink powers and chose not to. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Jun 30, 2020 18:21
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Jun 30, 2020 18:26
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What’s really weird to me is how fast she shifts between Mom and Girlfriend irt Snout.
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Jun 30, 2020 18:29
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"I'm not using you and I need your consent" oh so that's why you were falling asleep naked on him and coming into his dreams without asking, because you had consent that we didn't know about until right now This is a new low for Mookie. He's not just rationalizing her actions after the fact, he's straight up lying to the audience. "I would never enter your dreams without consent, but I can't control it?" THEN WHY THE gently caress DIDN'T YOU MENTION IT UNTIL JUST NOW PS this page might very well be in response to one twitter user who point this out: https://twitter.com/Synthose/status/1277667701285097473 Knowing Mookie, he saw that tweet and was like "oh gently caress people don't like my ink wife, BETTER BACKPEDAL SO SHE WAS A GOOD GUY AND HAD CONSENT ALL ALONG" All of this would be fine if at any point the Ink Witch approached him with romantic/sexual advances while he is awake so he could could give consent and reciprocate. Instead, nope, she keeps assaulting him while he sleeps! Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Jun 30, 2020 18:33
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Mors Rattus posted:What’s really weird to me is how fast she shifts between Mom and Girlfriend irt Snout. This is because mookie sees ‘good’ women as one or the other
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Yeah, this 100% feels like he's read criticism about how their relationship's been handled and is trying to whip up some in-story justifications for why actually it's all cool and good. Admittedly, it was foreshadowed with the paper exploding in ink constantly, but it's still lovely that it's taken her this long to mention it to Snout and that she, knowing that her magic is uncontrollable, still sneaks into his bed naked and makes zero attempt to mitigate the issue! In fact, there was no indication she was going to admit anything to him, which suggests she would have been fine letting this happen indefinitely had Snout not called her out on it. All that, plus her dialogue directly addresses all the criticism people had about her behavior. It's the same kind of slapdash justifications used to vindicate Stonewater and vilify Siegfried when the readers weren't reacting to them the way Mookie thought they would. As much as he's pissed away any benefit of the doubt, I can't shake the feeling part of his problem is that whatever image of the characters he has while he's planning completely fails to show in writing. So maybe for whatever little outlining he's done for the story, Snout and Inky really are meant to become close companions who trust each other enough with unprompted and unspoken intimacy... but he lets that conclusion influence his writing without actually taking time to get them to that point. And that's how he ends up having to backtrack when the audience points out that it's incredibly sketchy that people keep lying down naked next to sleeping strangers. Not that this erases all the other issues going on with this subplot. Best case scenario narratively is if Inky's deflection is deliberately written to be another manipulation tactic and she's playing the long con. I feel like with the latest page though the intention is supposed to be "the Ink Witch can't control it, outside forces are making her look worse than she actually is", which is... not a plotline I trust from the guy who gave us Stonewater. MiracleFlare fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Seriously. Either the ink witch is gaslighting Snout or Mookie is literally changing the facts and lying to the audience. Ok, fine, she can't control it. But she still never asked for consent in the first place and short of Mookie going back and editing the strips, nothing is going to change that. I will gain respect for Mookie if this is leading to Snout rejecting the ink witch because of all her manipulation. But it doesn't seem to be heading that way, given the way he's presenting both characters (as thinly veiled stand-ins for him and his wife). Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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So... Ink Witch knows that her powers are backfiring in such a way that if she's close to someone she will invade their privacy. Apparently, under normal circumstances, she would consider that unconscionable. So she... 1) Doesn't warn him after the first time it happened. 2) Sleeps AS CLOSE TO HIM AS POSSIBLE knowing that proximity is a factor. 3) Doesn't offer to sleep somewhere else or keep her distance. What is with this woman that her reaction to just wanting a friend out here is to immediately cling and put her boobs on him at every opportunity? I could see all of these things being reasonable character flaws for a character who is, in fact, a bit selfish and duplicitous, but it's hard to know if that's what the story is actually going for. If I was reading this without being biased by the author, I would think that she's flat out lying here and is contriving reasons to stay close because she wants to keep looking at his brain symbols.
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I'd have a smidge of respect if only because it means he'd have a villain that isn't an overblown cliche like some of his older ones. If this was another writer, I'd be more willing to wait and see before making a snap judgment on this, because if Ink Witch is gaslighting Snout then it's likely the big reveal won't happen for a long time. And it could make for a good story to turn all the usual adventure and love interest narratives on their head by having the character driving the plot forward turn out to have been manipulating everyone around her! But, again, Mookie hasn't earned the goodwill needed for that, or more accurately he's burned it all up in DD by portraying abusive relationships in a good light, and by straight up retconning and stealth-editing Stunt's early comments about his mother's death to make him look better. So I'm not as patient about waiting to see if this is intentional.
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Jun 30, 2020 19:47
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Mookie thinks The Ink Witch's actions are sexy and cute. That comic is a reaction to learning that other people don't.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Mookie thinks The Ink Witch's actions are sexy and cute. This. Again, you're all thinking like mature adults and modern readers who have a more mature understanding of sexuality and consent. Mookie is not. Mookie is still operating as the dumb teenager who watched 90s and early aughts anime. Glomp! Got Yaoi? Etc. Sexual assault and rape are funny and sexy and are only bad things when done by a bad guy, which is when suddenly they are depicted as drama rather than boner comedy fodder.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Mookie thinks The Ink Witch's actions are sexy and cute. They are if they literally had consensual cuddles or sex even once before this. Just once. But nope, gotta creep into a guy's bed (and dreams) without asking! That's not weird at all.
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This is now the second time she has said "I hope you can still trust me", immediately after deceiving him, AND pulls the "you're the only friend I've got" card. This has long fallen from the Funny To Read And Make Fun Of tree and down into the poo poo-pile of Now It's Just Pathetic.
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Jun 30, 2020 22:08
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Safari Disco Lion posted:This is now the second time she has said "I hope you can still trust me", immediately after deceiving him, AND pulls the "you're the only friend I've got" card. This has long fallen from the Funny To Read And Make Fun Of tree and down into the poo poo-pile of Now It's Just Pathetic. No loving kidding. The "hope you can still trust me" line came off skeevy the first item he had her use it. And now she's using it again within like one day of when she said it last time. "I hope you can still trust me."....loving no. I obviously can't!
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"I hope you can trust me" followed by "you're the only friend i have right now" also comes across as super manipulative.
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Jun 30, 2020 22:37
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So far the only documented times of her magic losing control is: 1) her ink exploding on Snout (partially his fault) 2) her nudely hugging him and entering his dreams Oh and maybe her blowing up his house? Which is still hands-down the funniest thing to happen so far.
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Jun 30, 2020 22:44
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This feels like the Cats movie, where everything is creepier because the obvious sexual context is totally at odds with the naive portrayal of the characters and the way none of them acknowledge it. The ink witch is calling him her friend, when she keeps slipping into his bed nude. And then there's the whole "oooo cuddling with a girl" thing from earlier. It feels like Mookie is a teenage boy getting titilated by thoughts of sex but then feeling dirty about it and scurrying away from them. And this latest thing is like double creepy because nude dream visitation is so obviously a sex metaphor, but again it's going to sail past without anyone mentioning the idea of these characters actually being attracted to each other in a normal adult way.
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are we sure he didn't write this some time in the early 2000s
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