Hitman Megathread: I didn't realize frog was an option

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Captain Cool: Oct 23, 2004; This is a song about messin' with people who've been messin' with you

Hedgehog Pie posted:

I've never really played Absolution, and I can't say that I'm looking forward to it given its reputation,

I didn't hate Absolution, but I had very little history with the Hitman games before it. And I only paid like $4 during a Steam sale. I still remember a lot of the levels and how they chained together. I think I also half-lucked into the best way to play it: hard difficulty, no restarting a level unless you die. After finishing all of them, decide if you want to go back and do challenges.

DLC Inc posted:

Would be amazing for 47 to use several different cosplay disguises,

Only disguise in the game that can open carry a sniper rifle

# ? Jun 29, 2020 19:57

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 14:48

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
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As someone who more or less followed the series as it came out, yeah those old games are really tough to get into now. Honestly you can safely disregard most of it. The lore connections aren't really that inportant and all the best classic missions have been remade in some form or another in the newer games.

Absolutely loving bonkers that Blood Money had 3 different item interaction buttons.

# ? Jun 29, 2020 20:22

Mierenneuker: Apr 28, 2010; We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

I love Blood Money but I played it so much in the decade after its release that I don't feel like ever playing it again.

I'll probably reinstall Absolution in December or early January. I've 100%ed it, so I imagine it'll be interesting to revisit without the need to anything special. Also with the knowledge that the modern trilogy exists and that it is everything I wanted a Hitman game to be.

# ? Jun 29, 2020 21:06

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

gently caress me but this took so long. It's the escalation on Bangkok that starts with killing that one guy with a hatchet, the final step added Sticky Hatchet - any action that would get the hatchet out of your hands instantly fails you. Including body moving. Including turning on distraction set pieces. Including hiding in loving boxes. First four stages? Absolute breeze. Final stage? Hours.

# ? Jun 29, 2020 21:16

Wolfsheim: Dec 23, 2003; "Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."

Discendo Vox posted:

Oh god, y'all...the grandchild-wanting character from Paris is a crowd member in Sgail, in the initial eating area. She calls her son if you wait around.

There has gotta be dozens of these little connections tucked away that I will never figure out. The fact that I actually recognized Jason Portman and Amos Dexter were both at Sgail is pretty much as savvy as I'm ever gonna get with it.

# ? Jun 29, 2020 21:20

Wizard of the Deep: Sep 25, 2005; Another productive workday

I put hundred or thousands of hours into Blood Money. I still say your gaming time is better invested in Hitman 2016/2. If you're really interested, LetsPlays have probably covered every angle possible in the old games. That said, there are two elements that I'd love to see brought forward into Hitman 3:

1. You're a hitman for money. But money is completely divorced from the game now. BM offered tangible benefits and choices for your hitmoney.
2. The newspapers made it feel like you had an actual impact on the world, and helped expand the world beyond the little slice you walked around in.

IOI has shown their skill at environmental story-telling, but I'd still love to seem some kind of additional reaction outside the mission. Something like a twitter stream: Go noisy, and there's panicked posts about a shooter/sniper/crazed lunatic with a meat cleaver. Go quiet, and there's a few updates about the target lost in a tragic gardening accident, or even that the target has "checked into a private hospital with exhaustion", if you disposed of the body through the shredder/acid vat/avalanche/incinerator.

# ? Jun 29, 2020 21:23

Major Isoor: Mar 23, 2011

Hedgehog Pie posted:

Hello everyone! Never posted in this thread before so I hope you're all nice.

I've been replaying Blood Money, which I got as a quick pandemic purchase in the PS4 double pack with Absolution. I've never really played Absolution, and I can't say that I'm looking forward to it given its reputation, but BM is still good. I only have two trophies left: get 5 Silent Assassin rankings in professional mode (I can't remember which ones I've already cleared so it's an issue of going back through them one at a time) and finish a level with exactly 47 kills (I am bad at counting).

I'm also watching a playthrough of Silent Assassin for the sake of nostalgia, and because I don't think I could actually go back to it after BM. SA is a good game, but it's crazy just how much of a step up BM was: the revamped accident system, more effective non-lethal means of taking down non-targets, no pointless (and horrible) intermezzo levels, more leeway when using disguises, etc. The one aspect I think SA does slightly better is Jesper Kyd's soundtrack, but both are good.

Favourite BM level: so many to choose from but I think it's You Better Watch Out.

Least favourite BM level: not counting Death of a Showman or Requiem, probably Death on the Mississippi just because it's long and somewhat unforgiving at points.

I think my favourite BM mission would have to be A House of Cards - so I hope we get another, similar mission in Hitman 3. (Maybe the Dubai tower one?) The others are good though - I always had a lot of fun on You Better Watch Out. I agree with your opinion on the Mississipi mission, though...that one was always a bit of a pain, so I don't think I replayed it much.

I definitely agree with the others, though - if you haven't played the new Hitman games yet, definitely get Hitman 2 and the legacy pack. You won't be disappointed!

# ? Jun 30, 2020 04:06

Zaffy: Sep 15, 2003

My favorite was Curtains Down, so many possibilities

# ? Jun 30, 2020 04:28

Pilchenstein: May 17, 2012; So your plan is for half of us to die?; Hot Rope Guy

A House of Cards was fun, aye. With 945 hours played since 2016 I should really be more certain of this but the new engine can't do elevators can it? Everwhere is all stairs.

Also they need to bring back the crow costume from BM :v:

# ? Jun 30, 2020 04:30

Major Isoor: Mar 23, 2011

Pilchenstein posted:

Also they need to bring back the crow costume from BM

Oh yeah, 100% this!

Especially if it's being worn by a grizzled old albino clone assassin. (Since didn't they have defects like aging rapidly and the risk of going insane after a while?)
Could be a situation like how he's the last one, out for revenge - one that wasn't involved with/killed in 47's missions during BM.

# ? Jun 30, 2020 05:51

Jerusalem: May 20, 2004; Would you be my new best friends?

Discendo Vox posted:

Oh god, y'all...the grandchild-wanting character from Paris is a crowd member in Sgail, in the initial eating area. She calls her son if you wait around.

Oh my God

# ? Jun 30, 2020 08:12

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Jerusalem posted:

Oh my God

On my run she was an NPC wearing a small black top hat and fur- I'm not sure if it's randomized, though, as she's a crowd AI and not an actual NPC.

Dabir posted:

gently caress me but this took so long. It's the escalation on Bangkok that starts with killing that one guy with a hatchet, the final step added Sticky Hatchet - any action that would get the hatchet out of your hands instantly fails you. Including body moving. Including turning on distraction set pieces. Including hiding in loving boxes. First four stages? Absolute breeze. Final stage? Hours.

I hear you, that one (Arthrin Occultation) and Eccleston Illumination level four are the hardest escalation levels to SA by a pretty long shot. So if nothing else you're past the hump! What did you ultimately do?

# ? Jun 30, 2020 13:16

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

I went around the area knocking out anyone who could possibly get in the way, then lured the hatchet target indoors to get killed. The gardener next to him was the trickiest - probably didn't need to get that guy but I was sick of the fucker spotting mr. Almost poo poo myself when the woman from the laundry room was on her smoke break as I left, I'd never seen her do that before.

# ? Jun 30, 2020 13:21

Hedgehog Pie: May 19, 2012; Total fuckin' silence.

Major Isoor posted:

I think my favourite BM mission would have to be A House of Cards - so I hope we get another, similar mission in Hitman 3. (Maybe the Dubai tower one?) The others are good though - I always had a lot of fun on You Better Watch Out. I agree with your opinion on the Mississipi mission, though...that one was always a bit of a pain, so I don't think I replayed it much.

I definitely agree with the others, though - if you haven't played the new Hitman games yet, definitely get Hitman 2 and the legacy pack. You won't be disappointed!

I will almost certainly get around to the new games later! This revisit of BM was just meant to tithe me over at this weird moment in time really (and I'll give Absolution a go because it came with it). I might review each level in BM at some point if people think that might be fun. Otherwise it's great to see so many people speak positively of the new games here, I'm looking forward to trying them.

Agreed on House of Cards and Curtains Down also being great.

# ? Jun 30, 2020 15:08

DalaranJ: Apr 15, 2008; Yosuke will now die for you.

StrixNebulosa posted:

I think 47 is onto the devs

The final level in Hitman 3 should be the ioi offices. They could call it �Death of the Author�.

# ? Jun 30, 2020 15:34

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

DalaranJ posted:

The final level in Hitman 3 should be the ioi offices. They could call it �Death of the Author�.

It IS sort of strange that 47 hasn't visited Denmark. Sure, he's sort of a good guy version of James Bond, so exotic locales are part of the experience (and they might seem exotic for most players! I mean, how many Danish locations have been in a game??), but knowing my fellow Danes it is just so out of character for the Danish side of things to be as absent as they are. I suppose 2016 does give you a pompous Swede as a target, which is very Danish.

As for to ioi offices, it doesn't seem like a terrible location really. Going southeast from the ioi offices you have a couple of small blocks with narrow streets that open up unto a wide square with a castle at the other end, with probably the prettiest parts of the harbor right next to it, allowing for a sort of Sapienza/Paris combo. If you're open to remixing a bit, there is also a royal garden and a neat church nearby.

# ? Jun 30, 2020 18:44

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

A Buttery Pastry posted:

It IS sort of strange that 47 hasn't visited Denmark. Sure, he's sort of a good guy version of James Bond, so exotic locales are part of the experience (and they might seem exotic for most players! I mean, how many Danish locations have been in a game??), but knowing my fellow Danes it is just so out of character for the Danish side of things to be as absent as they are. I suppose 2016 does give you a pompous Swede as a target, which is very Danish.

As for to ioi offices, it doesn't seem like a terrible location really. Going southeast from the ioi offices you have a couple of small blocks with narrow streets that open up unto a wide square with a castle at the other end, with probably the prettiest parts of the harbor right next to it, allowing for a sort of Sapienza/Paris combo. If you're open to remixing a bit, there is also a royal garden and a neat church nearby.

Honestly I'm completely down for more "neighborhood" levels in Hitman, ala Sapienza n' Mumbai. I think they're more fun than single location levels ala Hokkaido n' Resort Island. Not to say that they're bad but I like running into completely unrelated areas that are neat to explore like the Church in Sapienza and the Chawls in Mumbai.

# ? Jun 30, 2020 18:51

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

A Buttery Pastry posted:

It IS sort of strange that 47 hasn't visited Denmark.

When I visited Denmark last year with my other half, we both pointed out that a lot of it felt like a video game anyway. It�s all very square and orderly and spotless. Plus your countryside was like driving through the Win95 desktop wallpaper.

# ? Jun 30, 2020 19:07

Mierenneuker: Apr 28, 2010; We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

Welcome to LEGOLAND, 47.

# ? Jun 30, 2020 19:17

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Mierenneuker posted:

Welcome to LEGOLAND, 47.

OMG, a level in the Lego House would be amazing. Hide a body in the Lego bricks.

# ? Jun 30, 2020 19:27

Digital Jedi: May 28, 2007; Fallen Rib

Now I want an entire map made out of Legos with it all be completely destructible. Every single thing just shattering apart during the gun battles or expulsions. Not a door in the wall? Make one!

# ? Jun 30, 2020 19:43

Darkhold: Feb 19, 2011; No Heart❤️
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Hitman: Minecraft A World of Blocks coming 2022.

# ? Jun 30, 2020 19:57

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

The_Doctor posted:

When I visited Denmark last year with my other half, we both pointed out that a lot of it felt like a video game anyway. It�s all very square and orderly and spotless. Plus your countryside was like driving through the Win95 desktop wallpaper.

Note: We're the trashy sibling of the Scandinavian countries.

StrixNebulosa posted:

Honestly I'm completely down for more "neighborhood" levels in Hitman, ala Sapienza n' Mumbai. I think they're more fun than single location levels ala Hokkaido n' Resort Island. Not to say that they're bad but I like running into completely unrelated areas that are neat to explore like the Church in Sapienza and the Chawls in Mumbai.

I think the greatest potential of the neighborhood levels is how they can allow very different approaches to a target, even if it hasn't been realized quite as well as I'd like. Both in terms of how you enter their secure areas, but also in how you can draw them out. Plus they're ideal for alternate missions.

The_Doctor posted:

OMG, a level in the Lego House would be amazing. Hide a body in the Lego bricks.

Unlocked: Lego brick

# ? Jun 30, 2020 20:16

Kuiperdolin: Sep 5, 2011; to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

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I'm kind of mad that the sniping minigame spoiled it, because I wanted a prison level (where Jason Portman is purging 20 consecutive life sentences for all your murders).

# ? Jun 30, 2020 20:58

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Kuiperdolin posted:

I'm kind of mad that the sniping minigame spoiled it, because I wanted a prison level (where Jason Portman is purging 20 consecutive life sentences for all your murders).

Convicted as Helmut Kruger.

# ? Jun 30, 2020 21:26

Pilchenstein: May 17, 2012; So your plan is for half of us to die?; Hot Rope Guy

Kuiperdolin posted:

I'm kind of mad that the sniping minigame spoiled it, because I wanted a prison level (where Jason Portman is purging 20 consecutive life sentences for all your murders).

The big engine change between 2 and 3: the ai can no longer open locked doors without the right key :v:

# ? Jun 30, 2020 21:44

Pyromancer: Apr 29, 2011; This man must look upon the fire, smell of it, warm his hands by it, stare into its heart

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Unlocked: Lego brick

Thrown for a knockout, placed to paralyze the victim stepping on it by pain, like a shock mine

# ? Jul 1, 2020 14:16

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

https://twitter.com/IOInteractive/status/1278328331721748482

# ? Jul 1, 2020 15:05

FronzelNeekburm: Jun 1, 2001; STOP, MORTTIME

Developer insights:

It's the end of the current story.
It's darker than the previous two seasons.

# ? Jul 1, 2020 22:36

Hedgehog Pie: May 19, 2012; Total fuckin' silence.

FronzelNeekburm posted:

Developer insights:

It's the end of the current story.

It's darker than the previous two seasons.

Coincidentally, I just started watching a playthrough of Contracts!

# ? Jul 1, 2020 22:43

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

The final mission: �Your target is Agent 47, a ruthless assassin of unknown origin. Take him out, and find a new life. Do that for me, 47.�

# ? Jul 1, 2020 22:46

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

I'm wondering if we're going to get a chance to take down either Shadow the Hedgehog (fancy new guy) or Diana. I mean I don't want to take down either but that'll be a real wrench in the toolbox if we have to.

# ? Jul 1, 2020 22:50

DalaranJ: Apr 15, 2008; Yosuke will now die for you.

The final mission will be to kill Diana�s dad but this time for real.

# ? Jul 2, 2020 00:28

Fifty Farts: Dec 23, 2013; - Meticulously Researched
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Major Isoor posted:

Oh yeah, 100% this! Especially if it's being worn by a grizzled old albino clone assassin. (Since didn't they have defects like aging rapidly and the risk of going insane after a while?)
Could be a situation like how he's the last one, out for revenge - one that wasn't involved with/killed in 47's missions during BM.

That... is Mark Purayah VII.

edit: HITMAN WORLDS OF ASSASSINATIONS is a soft reboot anyway, so it's not like they'd have to stretch to include a Purayah or Parchezzi if they really wanted to.

Also, I always thought it was kinda neat that the entirety of Contracts takes place between Curtains Down and Flatline in Blood Money. 47 gets himself shot by a policeman who knew his targets, stumbles to a hotel on a rainy night, and remembers a bunch of his previous missions, which all happen to take place on rainy nights (or at least most of them). After he deals with the cop, he heals and goes to California, and the only reference to the events of Contracts is Diana saying "I'm glad to hear you've fully recovered."

Fifty Farts fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Jul 2, 2020

# ? Jul 2, 2020 01:09

Chakron: Mar 11, 2009

The_Doctor posted:

The final mission: �Your target is Agent 47, a ruthless assassin of unknown origin. Take him out, and find a new life. Do that for me, 47.�

You joke but I could see this happening pretty easily.

# ? Jul 2, 2020 01:16

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Chakron posted:

You joke but I could see this happening pretty easily.

Oh yeah, I�m 75% serious on that actually being the ending. �Kill� 47, start a new life.

# ? Jul 2, 2020 01:51

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
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That was already the ending of Blood Money though :colbert:

# ? Jul 2, 2020 02:12

RBA Starblade: Apr 28, 2008; Going Home.

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The_Doctor posted:

Oh yeah, I�m 75% serious on that actually being the ending. �Kill� 47, start a new life.

Agent 47 tearfully puts his duck down on the table and turns around

# ? Jul 2, 2020 02:16

DalaranJ: Apr 15, 2008; Yosuke will now die for you.

RBA Starblade posted:

Agent 47 tearfully puts his duck down on the table and turns around

At least he�ll finally be able to pursue his dream of becoming a jazz musician. :v:

# ? Jul 2, 2020 06:29

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 14:48

Jack Trades: Nov 30, 2010

The best final mission would be you having to hunt down and kill 48, or some other clone of you, while at the same time he's roaming the map trying to hunt you down at the same time.

That would be very difficult to program though, I can imagine.

# ? Jul 2, 2020 06:38

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