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stevewm
May 10, 2005
Its surprising the amount of poo poo landlords pull that is completely against state laws. And the amount of people that never bother to challenge them on it.

In my state (IN) landlords are required to provide a itemized listing showing what a security deposit would used for if requested. The deposit cannot be used for "normal wear and tear" (though this is not explicitly defined) and can only be used to repair damaged or missing property. A landlord has 45 days to do so, or forfeit the ability to make any deductions. In addition, if a new landlord purchases a property with existing tenants, they are on the hook for the deposit unless the previous owner already returned said deposit to the tenant.

It seems very few people ever challenge anything and just let the landlord take it.

My cousin was moving out of a property that had been recently sold to another person. The new landlord was under the assumption they simply were not responsible for the deposit anymore. Guess again! State law says otherwise!

After I pushed her enough, she sent a letter requesting the itemized list, pointed out the sections in state code, and even included a copy of said sections of state code highlighted with the letter. She got a check in the mail just a week later. They didn't bother with the itemized list and just gave her the entire deposit back. Guess they figured it wasn't worth the fight :D

It honestly wasn't that difficult to find this in my state's code books. It's all online and searchable even. I would suggest you take a look at your own state's law assuming it is online.

stevewm has issued a correction as of 20:06 on Jun 29, 2020

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T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

My family managed to sue our slumlord when I was 13 and I've been laughing ever since. He showed up in a fake neck brace like in a goddamn cartoon.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
One of the greatest yospos voyages was when tori_cmos aka citizen tayne aka pittsburgh fentanyl cloud sued his landlord and won after the landlord damaged his freezer and then pulled his garbage disposal out of the kitchen out of spite. tori and his lawyer show up to court. landlord shows up without counsel and is sitting in the court room reading ayn rand. he claims to be unemployed but owned ~75 properties. the judge called him an rear end in a top hat and granted tori judgment against him. they eventually settled after the landlord had to hire an attorney and appeal.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Mr. Nice! posted:

One of the greatest yospos voyages was when tori_cmos aka citizen tayne aka pittsburgh fentanyl cloud sued his landlord and won after the landlord damaged his freezer and then pulled his garbage disposal out of the kitchen out of spite. tori and his lawyer show up to court. landlord shows up without counsel and is sitting in the court room reading ayn rand. he claims to be unemployed but owned ~75 properties. the judge called him an rear end in a top hat and granted tori judgment against him. they eventually settled after the landlord had to hire an attorney and appeal.

i believe tori related it as:

landlord: I'm unemployed
judge: how many properties do you own?
landlord: 75
judge: you have a job you're a landlord

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

tbf "owning land" isn't really a job

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Not a Children posted:

tbf "owning land" isn't really a job

antifa hasn't brainwashed all the judges yet jeeze, maybe if you showed up to convention you'd know that

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Not a Children posted:

tbf "owning land" isn't really a job
You can just own land without it being a job

but having people live on it for money has built in implications of responsibility




imagine this being controversial

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

The Bloop posted:

You can just own land without it being a job

but having people live on it for money has built in implications of responsibility




imagine this being controversial

please rent

NO MAINTENANCE

only rent

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
Being a SFH residential landlord is babytown frolics for belonging to the capital class. If you truly want to be a do-nothing landlord you need to either get into the retail space (buy the land under a Starbucks or Jiffy Lube, etc.) or join a REIT for like an urban apartment building or something where all the maintenance & overhead is outsourced. Of course that often requires much more capital outlay and you'll also need to have the self-awareness that your place in line for the guillotine just got a lot shorter (which you immediately mentally discard)

sat on my keys!
Oct 2, 2014

stevewm posted:

Its surprising the amount of poo poo landlords pull that is completely against state laws. And the amount of people that never bother to challenge them on it.

In my state (IN) landlords are required to provide a itemized listing showing what a security deposit would used for if requested. The deposit cannot be used for "normal wear and tear" (though this is not explicitly defined) and can only be used to repair damaged or missing property. A landlord has 45 days to do so, or forfeit the ability to make any deductions. In addition, if a new landlord purchases a property with existing tenants, they are on the hook for the deposit unless the previous owner already returned said deposit to the tenant.

It seems very few people ever challenge anything and just let the landlord take it.

My cousin was moving out of a property that had been recently sold to another person. The new landlord was under the assumption they simply were not responsible for the deposit anymore. Guess again! State law says otherwise!

After I pushed her enough, she sent a letter requesting the itemized list, pointed out the sections in state code, and even included a copy of said sections of state code highlighted with the letter. She got a check in the mail just a week later. They didn't bother with the itemized list and just gave her the entire deposit back. Guess they figured it wasn't worth the fight :D

It honestly wasn't that difficult to find this in my state's code books. It's all online and searchable even. I would suggest you take a look at your own state's law assuming it is online.

at least in NYC the reason people don't do this is because the landlords hire people to go through the lists of plaintiffs and defendants at housing court. if you've ever been involved in a lawsuit with a landlord, even if you won and were 110% in the right, it becomes a million times harder to find a new apartment.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



Hodgepodge posted:

so i guess being employed by disney is a land of contrasts

Wizards of the Coasts infamously pays programmers well below market rate because they'll get the satisfaction of working for a company they love. This is why everything digital they touch is an absurd clusterfuck.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

I worked at EPCOT for a year and it was very bad. The "disney corporate happy family" thing is extremely creepy and weird. One of the managers where I worked was arrested for possession of child pornography. Another was a huge cokehead. And there were dozens of these lunatics in low to middle-management, each one worse than the last.And they were all trying to gently caress each other over as hard as possible at any given time.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


stevewm posted:

It seems very few people ever challenge anything and just let the landlord take it.
Different system but it plays out the same here. Every time I've moved I've had the landlord try to take the bond and every time I say "nope"; they threaten to go to VTAC; I say "good, do that" and they immediately drop it and I get my money back. Obviously enough people either don't know they can say no or think the process will be too complicated or whatever that it's just become standard practice to just try to steal the bond money.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

lovely LANDLORD UPDATE: we told the realtor to gently caress off with his covid waiver (my wife did, politely) and they must have realized they can't show the house without it because they countered with:

..the full deposit back now. He will let us go rent free in July, if we commit to moving by the end of the month, which is what I was trying for to begin with. In return, we will allow them to come 3 days a week, by appointment, for an hour or so, to show the house. The agent will always be present and will sanitize after each showing, ie wipe everything down and require everyone to have booties, gloves and masks.

i still don't want to sign a waiver but i don't know what else they can reasonably offer? seems like a less lovely sandwich anyway

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Pretty weird the agent is only going to show it to people with a big rear end but otherwise that seems pretty reasonable as far as precautions go so if you're getting what you want out of it then I say take the offer.

e: so long as you trust the agent to actually do those things

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Get it in writing, on the contract and that's probably the best you can do without escalation or playing chicken.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
Yeah you went from "landlord wants me to accept risk in return for nothing" to "I'm accepting very small risk and getting compensation in return" and that's pretty good. Having the full deposit back up front is value. Getting the last month rent free is value. If that's sounds like a good trade to you (it does to me) then I'd say take it.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE


Taco Defender
Ask them what they'll do if (when) the agent does none of that.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Kreeblah posted:

Ask them what they'll do if (when) the agent does none of that.

i work from home so i can verify it

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

boar guy posted:

i work from home so i can verify it

yeah but what if they don't do it

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Tunicate posted:

yeah but what if they don't do it

i will blow dragon clouds of weed smoke on to the front porch from the foyer for the three designated hours a week

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Tunicate posted:

yeah but what if they don't do it

Walk into the common area to great them, starting coughing aggressively and then turn to shake their hands saying "drat cough won't go away and now I've got a fever. Anyways where do you want to look?"

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

boar guy posted:

lovely LANDLORD UPDATE: we told the realtor to gently caress off with his covid waiver (my wife did, politely) and they must have realized they can't show the house without it because they countered with:

..the full deposit back now. He will let us go rent free in July, if we commit to moving by the end of the month, which is what I was trying for to begin with. In return, we will allow them to come 3 days a week, by appointment, for an hour or so, to show the house. The agent will always be present and will sanitize after each showing, ie wipe everything down and require everyone to have booties, gloves and masks.

i still don't want to sign a waiver but i don't know what else they can reasonably offer? seems like a less lovely sandwich anyway

This is hella reasonable. Take the money and run.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Thanatosian posted:

This is hella reasonable. Take the money and run.

yeah we're gonna. trying to get them to agree not to show it until we move on the 10th

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Chamale posted:

Wizards of the Coasts infamously pays programmers well below market rate because they'll get the satisfaction of working for a company they love. This is why everything digital they touch is an absurd clusterfuck.
The 4th Edition D&D Character Creator is loving amazing.

I mean, was loving amazing. Because there's no way to legally access it anymore.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Stole this from the GBS riot thread.

Can't wait to buy my BLM sandwich.

https://twitter.com/jjacksonk94/status/1278184301759209473

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

spacetoaster posted:

Stole this from the GBS riot thread.

Can't wait to buy my BLM sandwich.

https://twitter.com/jjacksonk94/status/1278184301759209473

yeah if the person behind this knew what they were doing it would've ended with "because black lives 'mato"

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


spacetoaster posted:

Stole this from the GBS riot thread.

Can't wait to buy my BLM sandwich.

https://twitter.com/jjacksonk94/status/1278184301759209473

https://twitter.com/Yassir_Lester/status/1278338459837464576?s=20

Probably :thejoke: but that's an admitted mockup and not a real thing

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Len posted:

Probably :thejoke: but that's an admitted mockup and not a real thing

Oh, lol.

Is this real?

https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/1278075309477081088

I can't tell anymore.

Hollandia
Jul 27, 2007

rattus rattus


Grimey Drawer
What the hell was ‘raise your voice not your brows’? Google isn’t giving me anything.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

when you raise your eyebrows at something, you are covertly signalling disapproval to other bystanders but not actually saying anything to the person doing something

er, now i am just as confused as you, maybe its just made up for this tweet

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
lowbrow vs highbrow?

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

raised brows signal suprise, they want people to get over being ~shocked~ and ~Horrified~ and start yelling. (presumably "ACAB" and "Come out Mr Bezos we just want to talk" i didn't read the thing)

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

Does anyone have that "The Path to Power" quote about Hoover and the Great Depression? I was talking about that with a friend but I'm having trouble finding it.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Love that the people that are paid a million times what their servants are is like “hmm maybe this virus thing will just get bored and go back to China. Imma put a billion dollars of other peoples’ retirement funds on it”.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Elman posted:

Does anyone have that "The Path to Power" quote about Hoover and the Great Depression? I was talking about that with a friend but I'm having trouble finding it.



https://twitter.com/JohnEzekowitz/status/1190838322551230464

Snowmankilla
Dec 6, 2000

True, true

Hollandia posted:

What the hell was ‘raise your voice not your brows’? Google isn’t giving me anything.

That dude has been challenging white people to dumb shows of support for BLM. He had people shave their eyebrows, where fedoras, ect. Pretty much having fun with white guilt and empty shows of support. He is a great twitter follow.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013


Now I'm wondering what a vast snarl sounds like.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

19 o'clock posted:

I just paid $200 to apply for an apartment in Denver.

edit: clarification.

$50 application fee
$150 “holding fee” that is only returned to you if you are declined.

it’s a $200 application fee if you win, $50 fee if you lose.

We need money to better determine if you're good enough to give us money and oh yeah we'll take all the money up front. Money.

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Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

double nine posted:

Now I'm wondering what a vast snarl sounds like.

:same:

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