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Miftan posted:Can you not simply not rank the shits when you vote? That's how STV worked for the last leadership elections. https://twitter.com/liamyoung/status/1278018522455707649?s=20
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So broadly you can vote in the NEC elections, but there is no way you're getting enough candidates to oppose the will of the leadership and the MPs.Miftan posted:Can you not simply not rank the shits when you vote? That's how STV worked for the last leadership elections. You can but currently it runs of FPTP which means if the left slate gets a strong plurality it can get 100% of the seats. STV is designed to stop that, I would expect it to reduce the left presence on the NEC and permanently limit the maximum number of seats it could win because it's far more likely right wingers will win votes from the gammony section of the membership. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Jun 30, 2020 18:32
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think i need to stop paying attention now i've quit
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Jun 30, 2020 18:33
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Jose posted:corbyn was far too nice ffs Yup. Should have just purged.
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Jun 30, 2020 18:41
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Jose posted:think i need to stop paying attention now i've quit Nah, pay attention so you can smugly say "I loving TELT YA SO YOU LIB CUNTS AHAHAHAHAHA" and sound like a normal rational, mentally healthy person like me.
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For reference there are 9 CLP elected NEC seats, 13 from trade unions, 13 appointed by the leadership, 3 from the PLP, 2 from labour councils, and 1 "socialist societies" seat. Depending on the union you can expect some of them to break left, but the leadership and PLP and councils are likely to break hard right. Without a clean sweep for the left in the CLP section they can vote all day and nothing will happen.
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Jun 30, 2020 18:47
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forkboy84 posted:Nah, pay attention so you can smugly say "I loving TELT YA SO YOU LIB CUNTS AHAHAHAHAHA" and sound like a normal rational, mentally healthy person like me. Bring back that oval office who made the crap political cartoons. Force him to only post in this thread.
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Jun 30, 2020 18:51
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Camrath posted:Another Finchley local? Represent! Poseidon I’m not a fan of, but Toffs is indeed excellent as such things go. I used to live in East Finchley (Fortis Green) back in Maggie Thatcher's days. It was fun being in the Labour Party back then. (It was a hot bed of sexual liaisons). We put some idiot called Lawrence Spiegel up against Maggie. Contemporaries were Frances Crook (of Howard League for Penal Reform fame), Rudi Vis & Jacqui Suffling (before they married). Trying to remember where the Poseidon was (if it existed when I lived there!). There was a pub down near the tube called The White (Hart? Lion?) we used to go to and the one we used to hang out in after Labour party meetings was The Windsor Castle. Furlough chat: Something I see quite frequently is comments along the lines of "I bet all those on Bournemouth beach are furloughed. If they're ok to go to the beach, then they should bloody well be at work' as if furlough was a choice! I guess in a few cases it might have been, but many of those furloughed it was that or redundancy and they probably had zero choice in the matter! Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Gonzo McFee posted:Bring back that oval office who made the crap political cartoons. Force him to only post in this thread. Mac was a UKMT poster?
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Gonzo McFee posted:Bring back that oval office who made the crap political cartoons. Force him to only post in this thread. posters itt loved his poo poo cartoons lol
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Jun 30, 2020 18:56
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Gonzo McFee posted:Yup. Should have just purged. When Stalin purged people, they generally didn’t go on to careers as newspaper columnists and media pundits. As it was, it was by no means a forgone conclusion that Chuka’s group (I forget what they were called) wouldn’t end up as a permanent party splitting off another small percentage of the non-Tory vote.
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Jun 30, 2020 18:59
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Uhhhh I think that was absolutely a foregone conclusion for anyone with half a brain, they were literally just lib dems. (the independent group) for [change)) uk] was never sustainable.
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Jun 30, 2020 19:00
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I... I liked his cartoons
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I used to live in East Finchley (Fortis Green) back in Maggie Thatcher's days. It was fun being in the Labour Party back then. (It was a hot bed of sexual liaisons). We put some idiot called Lawrence Spiegel up against Maggie. Contemporaries were Frances Crook (of Howard League for Penal Reform fame), Rudi Vis & Jacqui Suffling (before they married). The Old White Lion. My wife worked there when she first came to London (though I doubt she was even born when you were resident to the area..)
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Jun 30, 2020 19:11
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lol seumas milne just got sacked because apparently he has been head of starmer's comms team until now
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Corbyn should have had half of the party assassinated by his KGB handler's Russian mafia contacts
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Jose posted:lol seumas milne just got sacked because apparently he has been head of starmer's comms team until now I'm now sure that Starmer only kept a few Corbyn-era lefties hanging around in high position to give him 'newsworthy' people to sack to show what a tough guy he is.
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maybe Milne has been doing the room next door thing to make starmer look like even more of a tosser "ok, it's a movement... no, a moment, now do a little chuckle and say that you're some sort of super cop"
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I... I liked his cartoons
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OwlFancier posted:So broadly you can vote in the NEC elections, but there is no way you're getting enough candidates to oppose the will of the leadership and the MPs. Hmm I remember giving advance warning of this a couple of days ago and being told everything was fine 
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STV does seem like a good idea in isolation but when it is specifically being applied only to the part of the power structure which is outside of the leadership's control and which historically has only been able to wield power by concerted left slate voting... you can see what the objective is pretty clearly.
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Guavanaut posted:Same, but I guess we're doing the goon thing where everything is terrible. I liked the one he did of the lib dem bird landing in the tory tree.
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bessantj posted:Thank you and yes, I'm colour blind. Do they really not come close to sharing a colour? because they look so close it gives me a headache trying to differentiate between them. gonna make a quick accessibility post because I want to raise awareness about it! yeah those two colours are really close, they're basically identical saturation (amount of colour or vividness) and value (how dark they are, these are both cranked to full brightness). There's a difference in hue but it's really slight  for reference red is at 9 o'clock, green is around 1 and blue is around 5. So if you have trouble telling green and red apart, there's gonna be barely any difference between those two colours. Like here's how it can look for some people with protonopia (insensitivity to red)  like 5% of people have some trouble seeing colours, so it's pretty common and a good thing to be aware of! Only using colour to differentiate and convey information is a bad idea, red and green are especially bad choices. So shapes and patterns, position (traffic lights are fine, the top one means stop innit) are all good things to mix in Chrome actually has a tool now to view a page with simulated vision deficiencies - you can do F12 (the "let's fake a guardian column" button), hit the ... on the top right, More Tools, Rendering, and EVENTUALLY in that panel at the bottom you can make the magic happen 
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baka kaba posted:Chrome actually has a tool now to view a page with simulated vision deficiencies - you can do F12 (the "let's fake a guardian column" button), hit the ... on the top right, More Tools, Rendering, and EVENTUALLY in that panel at the bottom you can make the magic happen I always enjoy these kinds of images because a side effect is that if you're already colourblind you can't see any difference, so you get to watch everyone else freak out while everything looks normal to you.
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Jose posted:corbyn was far too nice ffs I wish to gently caress Corbyn had been the brutal purging Stalinist he was painted as being 
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OwlFancier posted:I always enjoy these kinds of images because a side effect is that if you're already colourblind you can't see any difference, so you get to watch everyone else freak out while everything looks normal to you. 
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this is backwards, isn't it - STV would have allowed the two slates to coalesce instead of losing all three seats by sabotaging each other it's a "factionalize more, lefties!! factionalize MORE!" bait, maybe, since competing slates would be less penalized still, as I remarked when it was brought up, it does prevent a pro-soft-left plurality - you know, the one that made Starmer leader to begin with - from completely eliminating the hard left too. So a permanent voice in exchange for not being a voting threat next up I suppose is reversing the hard left's gains amongst the affiliated societies, in particular BAME Labour (got reform'd upon but is still up in the air for manifold scheming) and Young Labour (Labour Students delegates abolished) ronya fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Interesting post baka kaba. I really should look up what brand of colour blindness I am, I'm pretty sure it's red/green which is the most common.
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bessantj posted:Interesting post baka kaba. I really should look up what brand of colour blindness I am, I'm pretty sure it's red/green which is the most common. look up 'Ishihara plates'
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bessantj posted:Interesting post baka kaba. I really should look up what brand of colour blindness I am, I'm pretty sure it's red/green which is the most common. I should have mentioned that your display is gonna affect things too - that chips map had a stronger difference between the red and orange on my phone, but on my computer it's less obvious (and the computer should be more accurate - I think the orange was desaturated on phone, and like I said they're actually both full saturation) colour is a gently caress e- you could also try something like this https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/color-enhancer/ipkjmjaledkapilfdigkgfmpekpfnkih basically tweaks colours to make them more distinct, might be cool baka kaba fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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^^ Have to look at that.ronya posted:look up 'Ishihara plates' I just did this test: https://colormax.org/color-blind-test/ got 8% correct. I'm pretty sure that it's a scam because some of them absolutely do not have numbers in them.
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Nah they definitely all have numbers - they're not all dead easy to see like I said 5% of people have trouble with this! That's a lot of people
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I think some of them are designed to test for extremely rare things such as complete achromatic vision. And there may be control plates too.
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ronya posted:look up 'Ishihara plates' Also, read Shades of Grey* by Jasper Fforde, a book where society is organised by how much colour you can see. It's fun. * nothing at all to do with the Fifty version
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baka kaba posted:Nah they definitely all have numbers - they're not all dead easy to see The second line, I can't even begin to see a number on any of them. Did this one which used all of the plates. https://www.color-blindness.com/ishihara-38-plates-cvd-test/#prettyPhoto Wasn't bad, confirmed it is red/green for me though which I always thought it was.
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bessantj posted:^^ Have to look at that. 100% of them have numbers. My eyesight is loving terrible in general but fortunately colour blindness is not my affliction. Second line is 6, 73, 5, 16.
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bessantj posted:^^ Have to look at that. No they all have numbers. Some are sods to differentiate (2 or 7? 6 or 8?) But they are all there Edit gently caress, beaten. They were hard to see, but I think it was more my eyesight is awful even when corrected. The bubbly dotty thing actually hurt my eyes to focus on.
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bessantj posted:I liked the one he did of the lib dem bird landing in the tory tree. little did we know the bird was the artist
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bessantj posted:The second line, I can't even begin to see a number on any of them. Did this one which used all of the plates. https://www.color-blindness.com/ishihara-38-plates-cvd-test/#prettyPhoto If I rotate the image through the colour spectrum, however:   They're cleverly put together. I also can't see anything in the upper row.
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