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Fashionable Jorts posted:I mean it's physically impossible for something to be less functional than DH. Okay, low bar, fair.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:I mean it's physically impossible for something to be less functional than DH. Just play your 40k game in GURPS
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Just play your 40k game in GURPS The 40k universe is pretty FATAL to the characters in the stories, right?
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S.J. posted:The 40k universe is pretty FATAL to the characters in the stories, right? When you roll Perils of the Warp when rolling for anal circumference  E: at least it’s not Palladium.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Just play your 40k game in GURPS This but atomic robo.
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Jun 20, 2020 05:05
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wiegieman posted:This but atomic robo. That's just Fate
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mango sentinel posted:That's just Fate Yes, but that's secretly a good thing. Dang, gonna have to play Fate. Shucks. Not gonna have to figure out DOS at all. Curses. Going to have mechanical interaction with core character concepts. Such a tragedy.
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Jun 20, 2020 05:19
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It would be pretty rad to play a Mechanicus without the system immediately starting to cry.
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I was randomly reading through Lathe Worlds (...as y'do) and I never really noticed it before but the Lathemasters read like proto/crypto-Squats.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Using the new rules or the old ones? The old ones, though from what I've seen they're not that different. The biggest improvement was the layout, which I don't think could have been done worse than Ullisses did. DH1 will always have a place in my heart because it was the first system I GMed, but it really requires a gentleman's agreement for it to work. I maintain the DH1 supplements are great reads for plot hooks and world building things.
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Jun 20, 2020 16:46
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Clanpot Shake posted:The old ones, though from what I've seen they're not that different. The biggest improvement was the layout, which I don't think could have been done worse than Ullisses did. There are still a fair number of changes.
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I don’t remember DH1 being that messed up. Although, when I started running it, our group had done lots of WFRP 2nd, so I think we just kinda fell back on our instincts from that when things in DH didn’t add up. In terms of premise and stuff, it was a great game. Being inquisition lackeys was a digestible entry point into the setting, and it gives you a structure to work in, and obvious motivations without you just being an automaton. So good. I still think it’s the best 40K RPG for that reason, especially if your group includes people who aren’t familiar with the setting.
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Jun 20, 2020 19:36
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Rogue Trader for setting and Black Crusade for combat rules worked reasonably well. Hordes made for reasonably threatening combats after people started getting the near unique equipment and having a horde of corrupted cherubs with a couple of mid-tier cultists and an actual Magus worked out.
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A lot of the combat rules are essentially the same but yes, I started pulling some BC horde stuff for my RT players and it works fairly well.
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So Cubicle 7 has the license now, but they haven't actually done anything other than some core rulebook updates so far?
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Jun 21, 2020 01:27
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S.J. posted:So Cubicle 7 has the license now, but they haven't actually done anything other than some core rulebook updates so far? They have made a new Free Adventure and are making some additional materials.
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Jun 21, 2020 04:35
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The best part of DH is rolling on the crit damage or peril of the warp chart and having your character die so hard it kills other characters too. Who knew a single bullet from an autogun could cause a total party kill?
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Jun 21, 2020 05:21
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Fashionable Jorts posted:The best part of DH is rolling on the crit damage or peril of the warp chart and having your character die so hard it kills other characters too. Literally the first roll of the first campaign I ever ran for DH was one percentage point away from our psyker becoming an unbound demonhost. It would have literally destroyed the entire planet they were on.
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The funniest part about perils is that, RAW, results cannot be rerolled with a fate point (as it is not a test). Easy house rule, though.
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Clanpot Shake posted:The funniest part about perils is that, RAW, results cannot be rerolled with a fate point (as it is not a test). Easy house rule, though. This is good though?
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Jun 22, 2020 17:38
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Clanpot Shake posted:The funniest part about perils is that, RAW, results cannot be rerolled with a fate point (as it is not a test). Easy house rule, though. You can permanently lose a Fate to make the universe shift reality to save your character's life.
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Jun 22, 2020 18:20
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You can always burn a fate point. It's in the rules.
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wiegieman posted:You can always burn a fate point. It's in the rules. Burning a fate point and spending a fate point are different things. Burning fate means "you just survive, no dice mechanics involved". Spending fate means you reroll something, and you are limited as to when you can do it. *edit* Burnt fate reduces your max fate, spent fate is restored between sessions/adventures.
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Cubicle 7 has sort of announced a roadmap. They're planning some adventure books and splat books. They're also doing a players guide of sorts adding more archetypes and adding ogryn, rattling, and kroot species.
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Kroot PC just constantly trying to get the Space Marine PC killed so they can feast on all that extremely weird DNA, miscellaneous extra organs, and progenoid glands could be really fun.
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Jun 30, 2020 18:18
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Ogryns and Ratlings aren't species, they're sub-strains of the human genotype.
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Aw man, still no Tau? They're not that complicated! They're just space communists!
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Schadenboner posted:Ogryns and Ratlings aren't species, they're sub-strains of the human genotype. 
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Werix posted:Cubicle 7 has sort of announced a roadmap. I do want to be hyped but the most of this is at least a year down the line if not more. Which is probably going to be far too late for the Rogue Trader themed campaign I'm currently playing in. Because the book about ships would've been neat.
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Tsilkani posted:Aw man, still no Tau? They're trying to figure out if they're space-trostkyite, space-stalinist, space-leninist, or merely space-communist with krootoid characteristics.
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I don't play Tau but I've always had the impression they're more a stand-in for imperialism than communism. They have "allies" who fight their wars, but the Tau get mecha suits while the Kroot have flintlock muskets. You also have the caste system mirroring England's colonial-era class system. It's a sad commentary on the effectiveness of propaganda really. The fanbase went straight for "Commies!" while Tau are more about colonial exploitation than forced sharing.
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I think that stems from decades of hack culture critics being praised for looking at anything that isn't free market capitalism and saying "This is an allegory for communism". Whether it's The Thing or Amon from Korra, nerds have been trained to associate any creature, group, or movement that strips individuality as communism.
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The Tau are an Empire, but so are most of the major factions in the game, and of them all the Tau are the least Colonial. They also aren't really Communist, but that is more because GW hasn't told us much about their internal economy. Presumably it does involve a lot of central planning. The Greater Good is a slogan instead of a philosophy at this point. I would say my favorite use of the Tau is as Audience stand ins, or as it's sometime put they are the villains from a Star Wars type movie here as the Protagonists. The Tau Empire does some lovely things, but it is the lovely things that a modern first world country does. They start wars and say they will be greeted as liberators, they claim to not be racist while they have a caste system and humans and Kroot will never really be in charge. Meanwhile though the Imperium is openly and proudly killing aliens and mutants for being genetically impure. On a related note, I'm interested in finally trying out W+G now that people have had a chance to read the 1.5th edition. I'm thinkin gbaout using it to run a Dark Heresy adventure to compare the two systems, I'm thinking Damned Cities from the Haarlock Legacy, would there be any interest? I'm thinking either Tier 2 or 3 and Imperial Characters only. I still don't really get the Tier system to be honest, or at least I don't get the placement of Rogue trader in Tier 2 compared to Tech-Priest in tier 3 which continues to confuse me.
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neaden posted:On a related note, I'm interested in finally trying out W+G now that people have had a chance to read the 1.5th edition. I'm thinkin gbaout using it to run a Dark Heresy adventure to compare the two systems, I'm thinking Damned Cities from the Haarlock Legacy, would there be any interest? I'm thinking either Tier 2 or 3 and Imperial Characters only. I ran that adventure in W+G and would be all over playing in it, if knowing the plot doesn't exclude me. Rogue Trader at tier 2 never made sense to me and I'm surprised C7 didn't move it. I vaguely recall them being able to start with plasma weaponry but forget how.
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Clanpot Shake posted:I ran that adventure in W+G and would be all over playing in it, if knowing the plot doesn't exclude me. They start with a loving Imperial Frigate! Plus 2 items of value Tier + 4 and rarity of Rare. They should be employing thousands of people, including Tech-Priests. How did running it in W+G work out for you? I picked up the whole DH line when it was on BoH so I could run another adventure as well like Forgotten Gods.
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neaden posted:They start with a loving Imperial Frigate! Plus 2 items of value Tier + 4 and rarity of Rare. They should be employing thousands of people, including Tech-Priests. gonna just quote myself here Clanpot Shake posted:I ran a tier 2 Inquisition campaign for close to a year and eventually just stopped giving out xp because the dice pools got so insane. My players are... disinterested in the mechanics, largely, but all of them had really powerful characters toward the end. I haven't dug deep into the C7 revision of the rules but I imagine it's only a little bit less brittle.
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Rogue trader should be bumped up to tier three and have an imperial naval officer be the tier two boater. While we're at it, the mechanicus archetypes should be bumped down a tier, with tier three being a magos.
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It does feel like a missed opportunity that there's no option to be a tier 1 entry-level enginseer to tag along with your guardsmen buddies.
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Mechanically does it mess anything up if you let someone take tech priest at tier 2 or other archetypes at lower tiers? You’ll have less exp but I’d you are just going down a single tier it looks like it should still be doable,
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neaden posted:Mechanically does it mess anything up if you let someone take tech priest at tier 2 or other archetypes at lower tiers? You’ll have less exp but I’d you are just going down a single tier it looks like it should still be doable, As long as you're not getting out-of-tier equipment, it should be fine. Early access to plasma or melta weaponry really warps the combat math if everyone else is in the las/bolter zone.
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