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OwlFancier posted:I was under the impression that the idea china was performing ethnic cleansing against the Uyghurs was pretty accepted by basically everyone who isnt a tankie? afaik it is, but people are reading her post, wrongly imo, as endorsing this guy in particular, who is a danger. which is why i found it interesting how this has flared up, novara and ash especially used to be a lot more careful when they made these kinds of statements that skirt up to endorsing a western/NATO friendly POV on a given issue. last few months they've not been as careful, which i read as maybe directionless, a bit adrift and unclear of their place in the post-corbyn landscape atm. i should have been much more clear in how i worded everything, i am battered from nights and not exactly posting at an A+ level.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Don't remember Madden's at all. There was a pub just a bit north of Fortis Green (opposite side of the road). If you mean by the crossroads of East End Rd/Fortis Green that's the Bald Faced Stag, which I'm reliably informed used to be rough as gently caress back in the day, it's a Gastropub now with a big old restaurant on the side. Otherwise that might be Gertie Brownes, a place where the exclusively over-50 clientele clearly think my girlfriend wants to talk to them as they stand outside chainsmoking with pints of £2.50 Carlsberg. Or the Clissold on Fortis Green, which is another restaurant pretending to be a pub where The Kinks drank in the 60s.
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Darth Walrus posted:IIRC, the report is good, well-sourced and substantive for the most part, using public data and verified documents from the Chinese bureaucracy itself. It's just that the dude making it is a loving weirdo. He's more than a weirdo he genuinely believes what he's doing is his mission from God He is 100% not to be trusted so if you're going to claim it's verified etc you should probably read the actual report
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Jose posted:He's more than a weirdo he genuinely believes what he's doing is his mission from God Right, but Kinnock is the one claiming it's verified. Ash was just retweeting and adding a bit of flavour.
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kingturnip posted:Right, but Kinnock is the one claiming it's verified. Ash was just retweeting and adding a bit of flavour. TBH I'm more worried about Ash agreeing with Kinnock than some lanyard weirdo, I know who's the more direct threat.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:TBH I'm more worried about Ash agreeing with Kinnock than some lanyard weirdo, I know who's the more direct threat. Haven't we also seen some coherent tweets from Dan Hodges in the last few weeks? Clearly, 2020 continues to deliver on 'weird'.
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kingturnip posted:Haven't we also seen some coherent tweets from Dan Hodges in the last few weeks? There are limits of insanity that people can ignore. This government has blithely passed them and continued to accelerate.
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Jose posted:https://twitter.com/tariqjenner/status/1278228375279210496?s=19 presumably that MEN journo is ok with this as he doesn't have a humanities degree
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Angepain posted:What was the difference between the momentum slates again i forgot i think renewal momentum were the AWL trying to take over
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Re: Labour Party membership numbers, according to the website there were a shade over 550k eligible members for the leadership election, so apparently a net 30k have joined since then? Seems unlikely, but I expect a lot of the leavers will still be counted.
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Jose posted:i think renewal momentum were the AWL trying to take over This is exactly backwards. MR were the slightly more continuity, move HQ to Manchester and not really otherwise change things slate. They added a lot of talk of member democracy once FM and independants were also bringing up the issue. FM has like 2 or 3 AWL or AWL associated people on their big, weirdly composited slate, but certainly came out of the gate with a stronger drive for giving the membership more involvement in things. Although both didn't have a ton of details.
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Jose posted:love our legit democracy There's Maggie wearing flag sweater memes everywhere already.
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OwlFancier posted:I was under the impression that the idea china was performing ethnic cleansing against the Uyghurs was pretty accepted by basically everyone who isnt a tankie? I'm just suspicious of the evidence on both sides, it honestly feels like we're seeing two super propagandised perspectives on the same issue. I'm a little skeptical of uncritically describing it as a genocide because: 1) Muslims exist elsewhere in China - for example the Hui Chinese are traditionally Islamic. I feel there's something else going on here. 2) It could therfore be less about religion and instead a racial attempt to enforce Han supremacy using religion as an excuse. But that doesn't explain the scale of the conflict in Xinjiang when there are multitudes of other non-Han ethnicities in China who seem to get on OK. My own hunch is that China is doing the classic old communist state thing in trying to undermine religious authority to ensure the supremacy of state power, but has met considerably more resistance in Xinjiang, some of it violent, and has as a result come down very hard in the area. In most cases its policy towards religion in the more recent period has been to adopt the same approach that the Romans did towards smaller tribes they wanted to incorporate during certain eras of the empire. They often demanded that the tribe accept the emperor as a god within a polytheistic pantheon, but this was usually purely symbolic - say it with your fingers crossed, pay your tax and we'll leave your traditional culture unmolested. In China, the various official religious institutions have to officially accept the supremacy of communist party over, say, the pope (in the case of Catholicism), but I always imagine this is done with a bit of a knowing wink. But that's enough because it's purely a matter of formality that allows everyone to focus on more important things, it's a kind of fetishistic disavowal. Now if the Uyghurs are refusing to do that, and are directly attacking Chinese state authority over both religion and geography, that's very easy to become a de facto separatist movement. I've avoided talking about the extend of brutality because I simply don't know and don't trust the sources on either side. I imagine it's significant. But a genocide? That's a hell of an accusation that often feels very... rhetorically convenient.
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Missed all the colour blindness chat late last night. One of the best apps I've found to demonstrate it is https://asada.website/cvsimulator/e/. Allows you to use the camera on your phone to simulate colour blindness. I normally describe to people by saying if you select all 4 modes at the same time, the jump you see from top left to top right then bottom left then bottom right, I only see from bottom left to bottom right. The top two look mostly the same and normally the same as bottom left, although sometimes there are differences I can see. Every year I check up on the local uni doing work on colour blindness research programs as they are desperate for colour blind test subjects so a workmate and I would normally volunteer. Some were developing new tests, others on algorithms to show designers they could cause problems with colour choice etc. I can't remember the exact type I have but it's more severe than the more common red/green and the only time I can easily distinguish a lot of hues in paintings etc is when it's using a lot of blues. I've used a ton of different tests over the years and one I can't ever find again had a numeric scale which was something like 60 typical vision, 90 colour deficiency, 110 pretty bad, 150 the greyscaleness most people think colour blindness is. I got about 125. Very different to the Ishihara plates test. Weirdly, everyone in my family wears glasses except me, When I was a kid I used to describe colours as being blue-ish or green-ish rather than blue/purple green/brown etc. And generally would distinguish them only by darkness/lightness of the colour. I remember getting really annoyed when people tore the paper off crayons as without the colour written on it I would use the "wrong" ones. When that dress colour gold/blue stuff was going on it was great. Probably the biggest event I can remember for people being able to understand that not everyone sees colour identically. There's also a massive socialisation/cultural/language component to how you describe colours, see - https://theconversation.com/the-way-you-see-colour-depends-on-what-language-you-speak-94833 as a quickly found example.
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Jose posted:a longish read into how someone can end up deep in the terf well and all those involved Good read, but as a minor peeve, rejecting the notion that sexuality is a 'choice' shouldn't mean demanding that people think our sexualities are fixed at birth.
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I'm red-green colourblind and absolutely love when people ask me what colour things are. I can not get enough of me saying the wrong colour and everybody laughing. It is the highlight of my life please ask me if your shirt is red or green. gently caress me can't even tell if I'm voting Labour or Sinn Féin.
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Butternubs posted:I'm red-green colourblind and absolutely love when people ask me what colour things are. I can not get enough of me saying the wrong colour and everybody laughing. It is the highlight of my life please ask me if your shirt is red or green. i can second this. getting flashbacks to people in school shoving colour pencils in my face, over and over. always pencils
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Jose posted:a longish read into how someone can end up deep in the terf well and all those involved Oh dear me posted:Good read, but as a minor peeve, rejecting the notion that sexuality is a 'choice' shouldn't mean demanding that people think our sexualities are fixed at birth. I never thought I'd channel Neil Gorsuch at any point in my life, but his argument that you can defend lesbian rights through a sex and gender discrimination lens, like if you wouldn't fire a man for hugging his wife at a work picnic then you can't fire a woman for hugging her wife at a work picnic is also a valid frame that doesn't require born sexuality.  This otoh is supposed to be threatening but sounds adorable. Unless penguin is supposed to be code for a nonce or something, but I'm just imagining the flightless birb. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Jul 1, 2020 |
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crispix posted:There are people who voted leave who think Brexit is already "done" :/ If they do, do they think this is better than before?
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Failed Imagineer posted:deuteranopes I'd join, it was a bad idea, let the cuttlefish take over.
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crispix posted:There are people who voted leave who think Brexit is already "done" :/ thats why boris specifically said to stop talking about it and all the press instantly did
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That's why I'm not convinced he's gunning for no deal (although some interests are), the narrative is Big Boy Boris Got Brexit Done and now he'll just accept whatever poo poo gets cobbled together in october and ride it roughshod over the ERG and DUP, which May never could.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Have you ever tried those glasses that help some deuteranopes "see colour"? Never seen them in the wild to try them. Until recently they've been super expensive and as I have a couple of types of colour blindness dunno if they would actually work for me. Sceptical as to how much they do tbh from what I understand they sort of shift the spectrum for you. So using them you have better ability to tell reds/greens at that end apart but at the expense of blues/yellows at the other end.
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Butternubs posted:If they do, do they think this is better than before? They think they've "won" and can tell people they told them so because nothing bad happened and also being overtly racist seems to be a lot more acceptable these days than it was 5 years ago so I'd say yeah
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