Captain Beans posted:

I hope they change lightning strike up in WH3, it really needs a rework. It's simultaneously incredibly powerful and very boring. You want it on every general, so it kind of limits all the other choices you can select in the skill tree. I'm not sure exactly how it can be changed but I think it should.

O____O posted:

Change it so you still have to fight all the armies, just one after the other in succession.

Captain Beans posted:

I hope they change lightning strike up in WH3, it really needs a rework. It's simultaneously incredibly powerful and very boring. You want it on every general, so it kind of limits all the other choices you can select in the skill tree. I'm not sure exactly how it can be changed but I think it should.

orangelex44 posted:

Aren't the latest round of issues caused from fixes to prior problems? The original release has some balancing weirdness and that stance bug, but IIRC not much else was overtly horrible.

Zephro posted:

So if you're discovered and attacked you fight a normal battle, you aren't yourself ambushed by the Skaven?

Sarcastastic posted:

One thing I've never been clear on is do redline buffs and other buffs actually get factored in for Autoresolve? It might say somewhere, but I've never seen anything to clarify stuff like that.

Squibbles posted:

Speaking of autoresolve, I love how toggling lightning strike when attacking a city seems to slightly modify the odds. Usually against you

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

Yikes, yeah I always just ignore them until I can do this:


(Every army pictured is one of my Ikit Claw Gunlines, except for this Vermintide army that i put Queek in command of).

I probably should but I like collecting LL defeated traits and I want to play as Greenskins and confederation is broke so I've been waiting.

Captain Beans posted:

I hope they change lightning strike up in WH3, it really needs a rework. It's simultaneously incredibly powerful and very boring. You want it on every general, so it kind of limits all the other choices you can select in the skill tree. I'm not sure exactly how it can be changed but I think it should.

O____O posted:

Change it so you still have to fight all the armies, just one after the other in succession.

Choyi posted:

If you are discovered before they move into your ambush, then yes you can get ambushed since your army was revealed before they entered your zone of control. However if they walked into the ambush zone without first discovering it but the ambush itself fails, they get a "opportunity to attack" which is a normal attack no matter what stance they where in.

Basically ambush stance has two random rolls; one for being spotted "army X ambush foiled"(meaning some other factions army or agent saw your ambush) which reveals you on campaign map and you exit ambush stance, in which case that army can then be engaged just as if it was in normal stance.

The second roll happens when the enemy move into the zone of control of the ambush and then it rolls the chance weather the ambush was successful(you ambush them) or if it fails (normal battle can ensue but they enemy can also decline and run away).

Only times you can be 100% safe from being offensive ambushed is if you are garrisoned inside a settlement or at sea.

Zephro posted:

Thanks, that's really helpful. (Though I agree that the Skaven ambush stuff just makes fighting them in campaign a PITA.)

Zephro posted:

Yeah sieges are dubious at the best of times and Skaven ones are no fun at all. The best tactic for warp bombs is apparently to deploy near a map edge so you can make the summoned unit flee without getting it low enough for warp bombs to go off. Repeat x times where x is the number of warp bomb casts, which are cast every 45 seconds (I think?) like clockwork. If you go 45 seconds without a warp bomb, congratulations! They've run out, the dumb mini-game is over, and you can start playing the actual game again.

Zephro posted:

Yeah sieges are dubious at the best of times and Skaven ones are no fun at all. The best tactic for warp bombs is apparently to deploy near a map edge so you can make the summoned unit flee without getting it low enough for warp bombs to go off. Repeat x times where x is the number of warp bomb casts, which are cast every 45 seconds (I think?) like clockwork. If you go 45 seconds without a warp bomb, congratulations! They've run out, the dumb mini-game is over, and you can start playing the actual game again.

Ammanas posted:

but they'll still warp bomb the clanrats defending the walls if your melee drops their hp low enough.

skaven are the loving best.

HOTLANTA MAN posted:

Ammanas posted:

but they'll still warp bomb the clanrats defending the walls if your melee drops their hp low enough.

skaven are the loving worst.

Zephro posted:

Is there a good way to deal with that? Murder them all with ranged?

Fartbox posted:

For example, if you have a really powerful army but the enemy has 3 armies of mediocre units, it'd still be a really hard fight to take because you'd get overwhelmed and your units would get stuck and worn down by sheer numbers

But if you uncheck "Control Large Army" you only have to fight one army + trickle-in reinforcements... so you can demolish the first mediocre army and just wreck the mediocre reinforcements as they trickle in. Sometimes this is even better than lightning strike

Noir89 posted:

You guys always hates on warp bomb, but you can predict warp bomb, play around it. Bait it with single entities, chaff etc. Now loving Murderous prowess tho, Every.Single.loving.Time

Mustang posted:

Any tips for strategies on moving up to hard campaign from normal? Having difficulty balancing between expanding too much and getting overextended or not expanding enough and getting overwhelmed by the sheer amount of enemy armies coming at me.

Xan posted:

My general strategies:
- Try to stick with 1 maybe 2 lords early on. Each additional lord (some factions excluded) add +15% upkeep costs for all armies.
- Stick with cost effective units until later. Ex: don't use handgunners when archers or crossbowmen suffice. Pay attention to upkeep costs.
- Secure a province but don't feel the need to expand like crazy. Leveling up your lord is more important. If you beat an enemy badly enough you can peace out with them instead of taking territory you might not be able to hold.
- Blue is usually a safe skill tree to pursue first. I prioritize casualty replenishment skills and lightning strike.
- Try to only be at war with 1 faction at a time and limit your fronts. Beat enemies badly enough to peace out for factions you don't want to expand into.
- Use ambush stance a lot. Don't chase armies around the map endlessly, end your turn in ambush and you might catch them. Ambush near settlements you own that don't have walls.
- Always try to end turn with your armies in land you own to replenish. It might make more sense to occupy or loot & occupy if you can't make it back to your own lands rather than sack or raze.
- Scout ahead with campaign heroes especially against skaven. Against skaven, never leave an army out in the open in range of a skaven army or you will very likely be ambushed. Avoid this by ending your army's movement in ambush stance or knowing what is around with scouts.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

Do we still have no news or bugfixes? This is getting to be pretty shameful on CAs part.

I made the jump to VH difficulty when I knew Hard was me just dunking on the AI without breaking a sweat. I just kinda knew it was time.

Key things for it, some of which a friend of mine who is amazeballs at the game had to beat into my skull, are:
-Abuse ambush stance and ambush baiting - these are two different things.
~ Abusing Ambush stance just means ending your movement in Ambush stance, preferably a decent distance from AI agents, armies, and settlements, so that the AI doesnt know where your army is. This helps you get field battles because the AI didnt see your army then run and hide in the nearest settlement.
~ Ambush baiting is using a weak settlement, usually minor/unwalled settlements, or a lord with little or no army as the bait, with your army in Ambush stance between the AI army you want to kill and the bait. You want to try to have the army in support range of the bait so that if the ambush fails or an army surprises you you still protect the bait.

Other advice that I find helpful:
- Do not over extend yourself, especially early. Its better to ensure you protect your starting region so it grows a bit and gets walls on Every Single Settlement before you send your army on adventures.
- Find a way to get a lot of fights early on while still defending your home province. For example, as Karl once you secure Reikland you can go sack Skarsnik's starting city a bunch, which gets you a battle a turn and lots of positive relation boosts with nearby people who hate Skarsnik.
- Kinda tied in with the above, I like trying to find an enemy to beat up for all their money via sacking their settlements then after 10 turns (because lmao diplo penalties for ending a war too soon) demanding money. This way you fill your coffers without conquering more land you may or may not want to keep, which can help you afford a second army or build a fancy building in your capital.
- Lightning Strike is important but I rarely find myself using it these days because I often end up using the Ambush strategies above to split up enemy armies.

edit: beaten by Xan

Mustang posted:

drat, don't know how I missed those posts.... Thanks!

Third World Reagan posted:

Campaign very hard and battle normal or hard helps a lot.

Arcturas posted:

How do you guys use the Underempire as Skaven? I'm finding it pretty mediocre other than the cash cows that are big trading cities (Marienburg, Lothien, etc.). It seems like an okay way to spread very tiny amounts of Skaven corruption (with four buildings in all three regions of a province I get...+3 Skaven corruption). And it seems like an alright way to convert food to cash or cash to food, but I really don't see how you regularly run a surplus in either. The issue, it seems to me, is that after whatever nerfs happened last year mean that they've squeezed the margins really thin.

So the default setup - concealment building at rank 3 (upgraded once), food building at rank 3 (built and upgraded once), static cash building at rank 1, and 5% spread building, is food-neutral and -50 cash. I get visibility over the region and I get some skaven corruption, but that's it.

Or you can go for the same setup but with the lower-upkeep concealment building that removes vision over the region. Now you're food-neutral and +150 cash/month. All for a pretty significant investment. Seems eh.