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bush may have choked on a pretzel but imagine if he choked on the GODAMN CHEETO IN THE WHITE. HOUSE.
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sorry but bush did Iraq and Afghanistan and the patriot act and DHS. And 9/11.
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Jul 1, 2020 19:02
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if you answer is Trump what are you even doing in cspam.
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Jul 1, 2020 19:08
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i say swears online posted:best prez since carter
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Jul 1, 2020 19:15
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also it's bush in a loving landslide, loving zoomers itt
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Jul 1, 2020 19:15
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bush jr is ez mode. change thread title to obama or trump to weed out the succ
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Jul 1, 2020 19:53
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forget the massive, horrific military and security state excesses, bush was way worse than anyone is giving him credit for because of his absolute transformation of the political system chief among this is the curse that keeps on cursing and will likely lead to the end of american democracy (lol): unitary executive theory this is the dude that felt powerful enough to put a signing statement on a supreme court decision against torture the bush presidency was transformative for executive power in a way that likely surpasses lincoln and roosevelt, except bush's hasn't been clawed back yet and likely will never be and it bugs the poo poo out of me that bush gets a pass on "social issues" because we know that society hasn't collapsed, yet, and the whole "gays" thing worked out so let's all forget that this dude was dead serious about passing a constitutional amendment against gay marriage now let's get back to those horrific security state excesses: we have a torture island. and gina loving haspel is now the director of the cia
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Jul 1, 2020 20:21
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There’s never been a more saliently homophobic presidential campaign than bush-cheney '04. Different times sure but they went over the top and put gay hatred at the top of the agenda.
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Jul 1, 2020 21:12
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GalacticAcid posted:There’s never been a more saliently homophobic presidential campaign than bush-cheney '04. Different times sure but they went over the top and put gay hatred at the top of the agenda. That is before polls moved in the other direction and gay marriage wasn't a big deal. The Democrats generally followed along during that era. As for total murdered, it is TBD, but I would say Trump is probably up to 500k by now. The Iraq war was at least a million, but Trump can maybe count on the second/third waves to get him the crown. I do think the Trump depression is going to blow 08-09 out of the water, it is looking like a tidal wave.
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Jul 1, 2020 21:57
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Trump did almost get us into a war with Iran. Yes, I know it was probably DoD ghouls taking advantage of him being a moron, but still that does have to count for something imo
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Jul 1, 2020 22:24
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the reopening has nothing to do with parties, it’s their behind the curtain rich donors who are calculating mortality vs GDP and hope no one notices
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Jul 1, 2020 22:31
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TeenageArchipelago posted:Trump did almost get us into a war with Iran. Yes, I know it was probably DoD ghouls taking advantage of him being a moron, but still that does have to count for something imo From a Vox article about the Bolton book: quote:Key in that passage is “as long as the current regime remained.” Before reentering government, Bolton consistently said he wanted regime change in Iran, and it appeared he held on to that belief as national security adviser. If Trump didn’t have some innate inclination to sign a new accord with Tehran, Bolton’s sentiments may have carried more weight. Trump de-escalated over their objections.
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Jul 1, 2020 22:39
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when i was a little kid i sat down in front of the tv and i saw the bombs falling on bagdad, and george w bush....it was crazy.... like all the texts of marx and a centruy and a half of philosphy and anti-capitalist sentiment just started pouring in through my eyes and i had a convulsion on the floor and started bringin noam chomsky to my 3rd grade classroom and poo poo
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Jul 1, 2020 22:52
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comedyblissoption posted:bush jr is ez mode. change thread title to obama or trump to weed out the succ
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Jul 1, 2020 23:15
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LastInLine posted:From a Vox article about the Bolton book: Going to be honest I had forgotten about that. Killing that Iranian general I don't want to google the spelling of still was really bad and it could have easily lead to a lot of people being killed, though I would not be surprised if Trump was the one who lead the deescalation based off of that. He does seem to realize that war is bad, on some level, so that is good
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Jul 1, 2020 23:49
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Donald Trump is worse than George W. Bush
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Jul 1, 2020 23:51
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Jewel Repetition posted:
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Jul 1, 2020 23:52
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No way it hasn't been pointed out already but W. did what he could to make his office seem dignified, legitimate, and dressed up his actions in the decorum that has always just been a facade for monstrosity... He did endeavor to make the president to seem llike something other than a warlord. His admin took some care to pay lipservice to democracy in a way that allowed him to cheat while still joining the dems in not saying the quiet parts loudly. Trump has never really worked inside that framework. He's behaved in such a way that has more or less permanently damaged the optics about what the United States really is, in an age where those optics probably needed to be maintained to whatever degree possible. I think it's a good thing, like that facade needed to come down before anything good can ever happen again, but it's really regrettable it had to happen like this.
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Jul 1, 2020 23:57
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Anyway bush 1 is the best because he assassinated a president, and Trump is the worst because he tried distracting from that by accusing ted Cruz's dad of doing it
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Jul 2, 2020 00:27
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*joins the counterstrike 1.6 surf server* BUSH SUX LOL
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Jul 2, 2020 00:43
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TeenageArchipelago posted:Anyway bush 1 is the best because he assassinated a president but reagan lived??
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Jul 2, 2020 00:44
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Algund Eenboom posted:Donald Trump is worse than George W. Bush wrong, idiot
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Jul 2, 2020 01:55
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bush 2. I’ll hang up and listen
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Jul 2, 2020 02:54
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doesn’t matter they both suck rear end
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Jul 2, 2020 02:56
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baby rear end sadlibs screaming cheeto man bad while gw laffs
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Jul 2, 2020 03:32
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OP basically set up a giant bug zapper for all of C-SPAM and the brain-poisoned liberals just keep pirouetting into it.
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Jul 2, 2020 04:24
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if u picked Trump ur a fuckin dumbbell and nobody likes a dumbbell
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Jul 2, 2020 05:16
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Prince Myshkin posted:OP basically set up a giant bug zapper for all of C-SPAM and the brain-poisoned liberals just keep pirouetting into it. Either position is super defensible imo.
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Jul 2, 2020 05:20
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shovelbum posted:Either position is super defensible imo. yeah if you're a racist and don't value Iraqi and Afghani lives
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Jul 2, 2020 05:24
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indigi posted:yeah if you're a racist and don't value Iraqi and Afghani lives the millions dead are certainly a factor but that's just as much America's fault as it is Bush's I think I was 14 when 9/11 happened and it was obvious to me that we were going to war and it really didn't matter to anyone who it was with at that point. Not that I supported it even then but there was no other way it could have gone in 2001-2003. meanwhile there's a dang CHEETO in the white house
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Jul 2, 2020 05:35
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BeefThief posted:the millions dead are certainly a factor but that's just as much America's fault as it is Bush's Yeah, it shows. 
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Jul 2, 2020 05:42
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Donald Trump is worse than George W. Bush
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Jul 2, 2020 06:00
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wrongo
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Jul 2, 2020 06:03
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Algund Eenboom posted:Donald Trump is worse than George W. Bush your an idiot
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Jul 2, 2020 06:09
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Stringent posted:Yeah, it shows. sorry you are dumber than 14 year old me i guess
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Jul 2, 2020 07:07
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BeefThief posted:sorry you are dumber than 14 year old me i guess 
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Jul 2, 2020 07:08
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Are you seriously arguing that a war to topple Saddam Hussein would have occurred in reaction to 9/11 if Bush hadn't been President?
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he is.
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Jul 2, 2020 07:13
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Stringent posted:Are you seriously arguing that a war to topple Saddam Hussein would have occurred in reaction to 9/11 if Bush hadn't been President? No but there definitely was going to be war somewhere. You think Al Gore would have stood up to the forces of the MIC? I'm also not saying the wars were a good thing in any way, just that it was pretty much inevitable. e: this precludes the fact the bush did 9/11, so maybe if Al Gore were president it wouldn't have even happened. All other things held constant though there was gonna be war
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Trump managed to do it.
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