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Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

uninterrupted posted:

I don’t see why either of those things follow from that statement. It’s kind of odd that we allow a full on “gently caress Chinese People” hugbox but this thread reacts pretty angrily to basic facts like that no one was killed in Tiananmen Square during the “Tiananmen Square” Massacre.

yeah, everyone in this thread is a racist, especially the chinese people living in china

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Son of Rodney
Feb 22, 2006

ohmygodohmygodohmygod

Stop replying to obvious trolls you dingdongs!

bones 4 beginners
Jan 7, 2018

"...a masterpiece that no one can read too often, or admire too much."

Kill All Cops posted:

yes i know china added a law to hk that lets them deem whatever phrase they want illegal at any time, but have u heard of amerikkka?

Why stop at making phrases illegal when you can make no phrases illegal as well?

https://twitter.com/ktse852/status/1278684620750352385?s=20

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
There had been 88 replies since I saw this thread last.

There is also an influx of CSPAM creatures.

Most auspicious.

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
its good feng shui to toe the chinese communist party line in all jurisdictions where the HK national security law applies to, i.e. the entire planet

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
me, i just think the ccp is entirely composed of capitalist roaders who have implemented oligarchical capitalism in every detail

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Kill All Cops posted:

I advocate not having children in this tumultuous global climate



looks like Xinjiang people are on the right track!

https://twitter.com/ajitxsingh/stat...agenumber%3D463

quote:

The second study relied on flimsy media reports and speculation. It was authored by Adrian Zenz, a far-right fundamentalist Christian who opposes homosexuality and gender equality, supports “scriptural spanking” of children, and believes he is “led by God” on a “mission” against China.

As Washington ratchets up pressure on China, Zenz has been lifted out of obscurity and transformed almost overnight into a go-to pundit on Xinjiang. He has testified before Congress, providing commentary in outlets from the Wall Street Journal to Democracy Now!, and delivering expert quotes in the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists’ recent “China Cables” report. His Twitter bio notes that he is “moving across the Atlantic” from his native Germany.

The second key source for claims that China has detained millions of Uyghur Muslims is Adrian Zenz. He is a senior fellow in China studies at the far-right Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, which was established by the US government in 1983.

https://twitter.com/Hubei_Peasant/s...agenumber%3D463

Your blatant yellow peril hysteria is making you credulous to the US funded crusade of a German christofascist.

Yes, sterilization is morally wrong, especially if our only context is Western settler colonial states sterilizing natives or carrying out horrific eugenics programs.

In the Chinese context sterilizations, if forced or coerced, are also morally wrong from the human rights standpoint of all Chinese citizens, just don't try to color it with the historical genocidal lens of western sterilization projects so easily.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Top City Homo posted:

https://twitter.com/ajitxsingh/stat...agenumber%3D463


https://twitter.com/Hubei_Peasant/s...agenumber%3D463

Your blatant yellow peril hysteria is making you credulous to the US funded crusade of a German christofascist.

Yes, sterilization is morally wrong, especially if our only context is Western settler colonial states sterilizing natives or carrying out horrific eugenics programs.

In the Chinese context sterilizations, if forced or coerced, are also morally wrong from the human rights standpoint of all Chinese citizens, just don't try to color it with the historical genocidal lens of western sterilization projects so easily.

There are a lot more researchers than Zense confirming the genocide in Xinjiang. gently caress off you holocaust denying piece of cockroach excrement.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

therobit posted:

There are a lot more researchers than Zense confirming the genocide in Xinjiang. gently caress off you holocaust denying piece of cockroach excrement.

like who?

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

uninterrupted posted:

I don’t see why either of those things follow from that statement.

Yes exactly, that's the point. I was satirizing your earlier post.

uninterrupted posted:

It’s kind of odd that we allow a full on “gently caress Chinese People” hugbox but this thread reacts pretty angrily to basic facts like that no one was killed in Tiananmen Square during the “Tiananmen Square” Massacre.

Not even the Chinese government claims that no one was killed at the Tienanmen Square protests. Holy poo poo dude.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
the number is not like a corroborated thing and lots of peeps have halfassed guesses, right wing or not, because the overriding variable is how crowded the camps are and that one nobody will agree on

but you can see the camps from space and they featured some once on xinhua tv extolling basically colonial apartheid lol

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Jul 3, 2020

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

Top City Homo posted:

https://twitter.com/ajitxsingh/stat...agenumber%3D463


https://twitter.com/Hubei_Peasant/s...agenumber%3D463

Your blatant yellow peril hysteria is making you credulous to the US funded crusade of a German christofascist.

Yes, sterilization is morally wrong, especially if our only context is Western settler colonial states sterilizing natives or carrying out horrific eugenics programs.

In the Chinese context sterilizations, if forced or coerced, are also morally wrong from the human rights standpoint of all Chinese citizens, just don't try to color it with the historical genocidal lens of western sterilization projects so easily.

https://twitter.com/auighur/status/1278782253582049280

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019

Devils Affricate posted:

Yes exactly, that's the point. I was satirizing your earlier post.


Not even the Chinese government claims that no one was killed at the Tienanmen Square protests. Holy poo poo dude.

They claim no one died in the square itself, which I think is what they meant.

DreamScythe
Jul 25, 2007
Should have nuked C-SPAM when they nuked FYAD. LF got SA in trouble before, its successor is very much going to do the same thing.

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019

This stopped working for Americans when every regime change op was justified with a crying child. How are Americans supposed to tell the difference between what the US pushes about China and what it says about Cuba and Venezuela.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

an account retweeting zens

its an ouroboros of incenstuous self referential agit-prop

A4R8
Feb 28, 2020

DreamScythe posted:

Should have nuked C-SPAM when they nuked FYAD. LF got SA in trouble before, its successor is very much going to do the same thing.

Those spooky socialists have done it again!

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
This was a great victory for them and their people, what they're doing to HK, they really hosed the liberals up, and they're sure as poo poo here to crow about it.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Vasukhani posted:

This stopped working for Americans when every regime change op was justified with a crying child. How are Americans supposed to tell the difference between what the US pushes about China and what it says about Cuba and Venezuela.

As far as I know nobody is talking about invading China or overthrowing its government right now, so that doesn't quite track.

Anyhow, why do you love genocide and hate muslims?

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

therobit posted:

As far as I know nobody is talking about invading China or overthrowing its government right now, so that doesn't quite track.

Anyhow, why do you love genocide and hate muslims?

calling China genocidal is a psychological preparation for war through dehumanization
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6f2m4n1NVo

Top City Homo fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Jul 3, 2020

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
you gotta have white people to call it colonialism. if nonwhite people do it its just sparkling hegemony

eggyolk
Nov 8, 2007


I had the privilege of hanging out with some HK protesters at a bar in Causeway Bay back in Dec 2019. A few spoke solid English and were very geopolitically aware, and were basically willing to stake their upcoming adulthood on keeping their hometown as democratic as possible. Hopefully they're doing okay cause they embodied democratic ideals way more than any westerner I've ever met.

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019

therobit posted:


Anyhow, why do you love genocide and hate muslims?

You're having an argument with someone who isn't me. I'm not even talking about China, but rather why this agitpop might not be effective.

therobit posted:

As far as I know nobody is talking about invading China or overthrowing its government right now, so that doesn't quite track.


Right, but that doesn't matter, people are using the same rhetorical devices they use when they are pushing for invasions and Americans are numb to it.

wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Jul 3, 2020

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019
Like, when Turkey talks about the oppression of chinese muslims it actually makes those claims less credible for most people

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
the real problem with the prc is the claim that "communist billionaire" isnt a contradiction in terms

A4R8
Feb 28, 2020

bob dobbs is dead posted:

the real problem with the prc is the claim that "communist billionaire" isnt a contradiction in terms

It is concerning.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
its a basic sign that the transition to capitalism is complete

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


stop serf shaming

Flannelette
Jan 17, 2010


bones 4 beginners posted:

Why stop at making phrases illegal when you can make no phrases illegal as well?

https://twitter.com/ktse852/status/1278684620750352385?s=20

The little meme frog being on their menu boards is still really weird for me, I heard it got popular for not racists reasons there but it's still just that frog from the feels good webcomic it must be so weird for the artist.

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

bob dobbs is dead posted:

me, i just think the ccp is entirely composed of capitalist roaders who have implemented oligarchical capitalism in every detail
That's what Mao thought about Deng Xiaoping. He hated him so bad he had him purged twice. Sometimes he was under house arrest and sometimes he worked in a tractor factory. Deng was rehabilitated back into the party but Mao wasn't done making GBS threads on him so he started an official "Deng Xiaoping loving sucks and we should all talk about it" campaign. That still couldn't stop him from maneuvering back into power again. After Deng ordered the Tiananmen crackdown the Gang of Four stripped him of positions. Even after that he still made a comeback and succeeded Mao while the Gang of Four ended up in jail. Then he said, "actually, you are the counter-revolutionaries". I don't like Deng but I'm impressed by his sheer finesses and luck.

The party line today is that Socialism With Chinese Characterstics includes elements of Deng Theory and Mao Thought. I've read extensive, eye-watering SWCC apologetics and I've not found it persuasive. The remaining Maoist elements don't buy it either and are generally repressed or disappeared. Some of them used to meet or hide in Hong Kong. Not anymore I'm guessing.

Mr. Smile Face Hat
Sep 15, 2003

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy
The "*checks notes*" meme, the sure sign of a bullshit post.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
if you try to actually advocate for socialism in the prc you will deffo get disappeared, just like the actual trade unionists

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

Flannelette posted:

The little meme frog being on their menu boards is still really weird for me, I heard it got popular for not racists reasons there but it's still just that frog from the feels good webcomic it must be so weird for the artist.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Top City Homo posted:

calling China genocidal is a psychological preparation for war through dehumanization
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6f2m4n1NVo

The Chinese government is committing genocide. gently caress off.

eggyolk
Nov 8, 2007


The US equivalent for whats happening in HK is if you were caught with a BLM sign in your window, or anything resembling a clenched fist, and it resulted in you being threatened with jail without trial. And no one will no where the hell you went.

A4R8
Feb 28, 2020

strange feelings re Daisy posted:

That's what Mao thought about Deng Xiaoping. He hated him so bad he had him purged twice. Sometimes he was under house arrest and sometimes he worked in a tractor factory. Deng was rehabilitated back into the party but Mao wasn't done making GBS threads on him so he started an official "Deng Xiaoping loving sucks and we should all talk about it" campaign. That still couldn't stop him from maneuvering back into power again. After Deng ordered the Tiananmen crackdown the Gang of Four stripped him of positions. Even after that he still made a comeback and succeeded Mao while the Gang of Four ended up in jail. Then he said, "actually, you are the counter-revolutionaries". I don't like Deng but I'm impressed by his sheer finesses and luck.

The party line today is that Socialism With Chinese Characterstics includes elements of Deng Theory and Mao Thought. I've read extensive, eye-watering SWCC apologetics and I've not found it persuasive. The remaining Maoist elements don't buy it either and are generally repressed or disappeared. Some of them used to meet or hide in Hong Kong. Not anymore I'm guessing.

Deng’s longterm political capital within the party (despite being a loathsome sack of poo poo) came from surviving The Long March with Mao. But yeah, Mao should of had him whacked the first time regardless.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
you are more likely to get an actual socialist revolution in taiwan than in the prc. at least the roc doesnt have false consciousness so fuckin bad that they get billionaires and call em communist

"wow, comrade billionaire cant be exploiting me!"

Flannelette
Jan 17, 2010


Dandywalken posted:

Generally that being shot and killed sucks

Yeah but so does:

eggyolk posted:

The US equivalent for whats happening in HK is if you were caught with a BLM sign in your window, or anything resembling a clenched fist, and it resulted in you being threatened with jail without trial. And no one will no where the hell you went.



Are they going to wait until they ban anyone from speaking Cantonese? Or start having pro CCP agents smashing stores and marginalizing people who aren't patriotic enough and people just disappearing every day becomes the normal like in the western regions.
Are all the HK people going to just going to peacefully roll over and accept oppression from a genocidal regime?
The peacekeeper angle is from historic cold war proxy war things that involved opposing nuclear powers, it costs CCP less to cede HK than it does to fight a global war.

Booty Pageant
Apr 20, 2012
some of these posts sound just like my dad when he watches the news on tvb

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Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
boomer parents shocked that their kid can be arrested over stickers that were freely available everywhere until a couple days ago

https://www.thestandnews.com/politics/mother-finds-arrest-of-son-with-sticker-of-protest-slogan-unacceptable/

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