|
It's bullshit that I need to carry my own doorknob to lick, hurry up with the vaccine already !
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 16:54
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 21:36 |
|
|
Platystemon posted:There’s mystery spread going on even in places with competent contact tracing Also, the law of large numbers. There are a very large number of surfaces, and some of get touched by a lot of people during a day. Even if the chance of surface transmission is low - there are a lot of elevator buttons, doorknobs, handles, office coffee machines, ATMs, etc. This also goes for the weird mystery spread. The chance of transmission by someone infected pooping and flushing with the lid up to the next person walking into the toilet stall is probably incredibly low - but there are a lot of toilet stalls. Virions are generally brittle things that get murdered by all kinds of things, but there are certainly numerous very particular combinations of humidity, temperature and random stuff, that are perfect for transporting them around safely. It's completely impossible to document all possible infection vectors, and it's not even rational to try and address them all. The rational way to fight this virus is simply to reduce the average number of contacts with other people - number of unique individuals, number of exposures and duration of exposures. Masks are fine. Hand hygiene is *very* good, because it also prevents all kinds of other nasty stuff. Distancing is fine. But I'm absolutely sure the reason why even soft lockdowns seem to work well is that they affect contact numbers. Once prevalence is knocked down to very low levels, you don't really need to do more than handle local outbreaks. I'm skeptical if international travel is a good idea, but we'll see soon, as that is being introduced in numerous countries with otherwise total control of the epidemic. Both of these is why you are right about the situation in America - the degree of contact reduction needed to get things under control correlates with prevalence. Once prevalence is high, the law of large numbers makes even the weird transmission vectors a real problem. If the US doesn't get this under control very soon, I worry it will need an incredibly harsh lockdown to get this under control, and considering the political climate and level of unrest I'm not sure that's possible without bloodshed until the deathcount has already surpassed catastrophic levels.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 16:56
|
|
|
PederP posted:Also, the law of large numbers. There are a very large number of surfaces, and some of get touched by a lot of people during a day. Even if the chance of surface transmission is low - there are a lot of elevator buttons, doorknobs, handles, office coffee machines, ATMs, etc. the president and the VP (head of the covid taskforce) have both said numerous times they won't have a second lockdown, as recent as yesterday quote:“We really believe, and I know your governor does, too, and I can assure you that your president does, that we don’t have to choose between good health and a strong economy,” Pence said. “The American people know that America works when America is working.” mike pence also believes in a bearded man in the sky who hates gay sex soooooooooooo
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:00
|
|
|
Someone said here or in the cool zone, that Trump was taking plasma so he doesn't care and will always be safe. Anyone know what that means? Like blood plasma taken from people with antibodies? Is that smart, and why can't they work on ramping that up if it is?
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:02
|
|
|
Michael Corleone posted:Someone said here or in the cool zone, that Trump was taking plasma so he doesn't care and will always be safe. Anyone know what that means? Like blood plasma taken from people with antibodies? Is that smart, and why can't they work on ramping that up if it is? Getting plasma with antibodies is a very temporary (and expensive/resource intensive) measure. Your body isn't making the antibodies and they don't last forever so you'd have to keep getting transfusions from people who already recovered. Seems like that would make it hard to scale up. Anyways, I haven't seen any confirmation of how well it works with covid, much less that Trump is doing it so you have to take that stuff with a grain of salt.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:09
|
|
|
Michael Corleone posted:Someone said here or in the cool zone, that Trump was taking plasma so he doesn't care and will always be safe. Anyone know what that means? Like blood plasma taken from people with antibodies? Is that smart, and why can't they work on ramping that up if it is? sounds like an Internet expert making poo poo up OP
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:09
|
|
|
are you sure they didnt mean one of these OP? in reference to this picture: 
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:14
|
|
|
That photo always makes me think Trump looks like Elron Hubbard for some reason.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:19
|
|
|
Mozi posted:but how long did it take them to publicly change that opinion? It's like the brain rot that is US culture means: a) anything you read is either absolutely true, or deliberately misleading depending on what you already believe b) observation -> hypothesis -> evidence -> conclusion is a optional process just pick your fav c) my confirmation bias represents the only non-conspiracy based truths, because intellectual freedom???! feelix posted:sounds like an Internet expert making poo poo up OP Oh i almost forgot d) smug denial based on total ignorance and/or stupidity Yes temporary immunity from plasma is a thing have you finished high school?
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:23
|
|
|
Blitter posted:
...they were saying trump being reckless because he gets secret daily plasma infusions sounds like a dumb internet rumor... i agree with that statement
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:25
|
|
|
Blitter posted:Yes temporary immunity from plasma is a thing have you finished high school?  The expert in question was making up the knowledge about what medical treatments Trump is or isn't receiving, not that it's possible to get immunity from plasma. Hell, haven't there been calls for people who tested positive for antibodies to donate for weeks or months now?
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:26
|
|
|
feelix posted:I have a PhD in a STEM discipline Well poo poo apparently i should add myself to e) jump to conclusions based on poor reading comprehension
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:30
|
|
|
If we could get access to that orb again I think it might solve it all, but I'm an optimist. Not really, thinking about buying and wearing a face shield when I go out. IDGAF what I look like in these trying times. I know you can get it from your eyes and non mask wearers breath all over you. Then I come home with a face soaked of sweat from my mask. So yeah we are all going to die.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:37
|
|
|
zer0spunk posted:are you sure they didnt mean one of these OP? Do not try to escape. You are in my control. Look at me, I am the sum of all evils. Look carefully, my power infests all times, all galaxies, all dimensions. But many still seek me out; a green jewel they must possess.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 17:38
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/pepys_diaries/status/1279091971798286336?s=21
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 18:24
|
|
|
PederP posted:If the US doesn't get this under control very soon, I worry it will need an incredibly harsh lockdown to get this under control, and considering the political climate and level of unrest I'm not sure that's possible without bloodshed until the deathcount has already surpassed catastrophic levels. Hell yeah 
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 18:35
|
|
|
Hail Satan
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 18:47
|
|
|
hail satan
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 18:50
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 19:11
|
|
|
remember the alamo
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 19:15
|
|
|
Has America ever been in this situation, maybe during the wars
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 19:20
|
|
|
OMFG FURRY posted:remember the alamo 
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 19:23
|
|
|
Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Has America ever been in this situation, maybe during the wars Are you asking if America has ever been in a situation where a pandemic was filling hospitals
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 19:23
|
|
|
I don’t know man.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 19:23
|
|
|
Maybe?
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 19:24
|
|
|
Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Has America ever been in this situation, maybe during the wars i'm german, so i dunno relatedly tho: https://twitter.com/BeausWife2/status/1279109597240983552
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 19:24
|
|
|
 The more you look at it, the worse it gets.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 19:29
|
|
|
Michael Corleone posted:This is a Trump friendly forum friend, America is great again, get your commie rear end out of here! /s For just an instant I had flashbacks to a BBS I used to post on where, in order to end the message and post it, you had to type /s
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 19:41
|
|
|
Well, my aunt and uncle decided it was a good idea to not only take their kids to a birthday party, but to send them to week-long summer camp afterwards. They just found out today that one of the kids who had been at camp last week tested positive, meaning their camp counselor was exposed. Everyone was sent home and now aunt, uncle, and kids are quarantining until the counselor gets a negative test result. Hopefully. Thank goodness they found out today, because they wanted to get the whole fam together tomorrow for 4th of July. One member of our family has bone cancer, my grandpa has polio, and my grandma weighs 93 pounds. I live in Texas, and this is the poo poo people do.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 19:51
|
|
|
Is there a source for this?
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 20:00
|
|
|
Tipps posted:
All I see is many top-tier forums avatars in a single picture
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 20:02
|
|
|
There Bias Two posted:Is there a source for this? I'd just assume there is, we are in hell world now.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 20:05
|
|
|
There Bias Two posted:Is there a source for this? From the phone of a Dallas EMT i know.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 20:05
|
|
|
Tipps posted:
Is Biden holding a bra?
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 20:13
|
|
|
Kaiju Cage Match posted:Is Biden holding a bra? i'm the concerned sheeple sheep
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 20:16
|
|
|
Michael Corleone posted:Someone said here or in the cool zone, that Trump was taking plasma so he doesn't care and will always be safe. Anyone know what that means? Like blood plasma taken from people with antibodies? Is that smart, and why can't they work on ramping that up if it is? The sun is a giant ball of plasma you see, and Trump takes a big dose to the eyeballs by staring straight at it. That powers up his malaria medicine to fight the virus. Yes, that is smart, and no we can’t ramp that up because it relies on magical thinking. teardrop fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jul 3, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 20:47
|
|
|
Michael Corleone posted:Someone said here or in the cool zone, that Trump was taking plasma so he doesn't care and will always be safe. Anyone know what that means? Like blood plasma taken from people with antibodies? Is that smart, and why can't they work on ramping that up if it is? They're saying that if you have coronavirus it's possible that getting an infusion of convalescent plasma makes the symptoms less serious and the time you're sick shorter. https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/plasma-donations-from-recovered-covid-19-patients.html I have no idea about just getting infusions to prevent anything.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 21:00
|
|
|
Wile E. Toyota posted:Well, my aunt and uncle decided it was a good idea to not only take their kids to a birthday party, but to send them to week-long summer camp afterwards. They just found out today that one of the kids who had been at camp last week tested positive, meaning their camp counselor was exposed. Everyone was sent home and now aunt, uncle, and kids are quarantining until the counselor gets a negative test result. Hopefully. Thank goodness they found out today, because they wanted to get the whole fam together tomorrow for 4th of July. One member of our family has bone cancer, my grandpa has polio, and my grandma weighs 93 pounds. Tell them they are famous and on the nations news!
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 21:02
|
|
|
spacetoaster posted:I have no idea about just getting infusions to prevent anything. Repeated transfusions have the potential to lead to some pretty nasty side effects as well.
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 21:10
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 21:36 |
|
|
smoobles posted:All I see is many top-tier forums avatars in a single picture Wait a minute, does the artist (and presumably a large group of idiots) really think wearing a mask cuts off oxygen? Despite everyone walking around them with masks on and distinctly not falling over dead without oxygen? Like, could we also convince these people to believe in fan death?
|
|
#
?
Jul 3, 2020 21:18
|
|