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Jaeluni Asjil posted:This kind of stuff makes me wonder (and we'll never know!) if Corbyn were still LOTO whether Labour support would be going up just the same regardless. So is it a 'Starmer is great' or 'Tories are fuckin useless' support? I think it's becaue starmer is seen as a safe pair of hands who isn't about to rock the boat with radical changes to the tax system that would affect guys like Clarkson. Although do note that it's only clarkson's contrarian persona that leans Tory cause sky and the times pay the most.
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namesake posted:An doctor friend of mine working in London has said they've had a quiet shift, quieter than some weekdays before COVID. There were obviously thousands of people out around the country but if it was just a symbolic need and visit for a lot of people rather than a return to the sess (helped by nightclubs not being open) and this weekend will literally be the low point of community infections then this may not the predicted apocolypse after all. It'll be whether this becomes a normal unsafe habit for a lot of people which will be the problem. Literally nothing has changed since the outbreak started - no cure, no vaccine, no treatment - the only thing that has made things better is social distancing, which got our R number down to something reasonable. I think you're right that the number of people being idiots are dwarfed by people being sensible, hopefully enough to prevent a second wave, but R number has been creeping up and we're pretty much out of wiggle room already.
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Yeah, this isn't a disease where we're all screwed instantly by any given action, which makes it super difficult to persuade people of sensible actions.
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At the moment there are two guys sitting my neighbour's garden - neither of whom are my neighbour, but she lets a lot of her friends chill in her garden when she's not in. Both are classic thumb-men, and they're talking in slightly over-loud voices that are drifting right in my open window. Over the past hour we've had: 1) The pandemic was an over-reaction because we don't know anyone who had it. Just a like a bad flu. 2) People are getting too used to 'sitting around at home' on furlough payments. 3) Johnson is doing the best he can, at at least he's optimistic and loves his country. 4) 'History is history, it can't be changed'. There was no reason to take down the Rhodes statue. 5) 'If it wasn't for him they wouldn't be here.' 6) 'All Lives Matter, don't they?' 7) 'They're the real racists by talking about race all the time' 8) How can you defund the police? Who would prevent the crimes? 9) Can you imagine what it would be like if Corbyn was PM...Diane Abbott!!!* 10) Brexit will be fine because it's already happened and everything's OK. All punctuated by resonant lager-fuelled belches. It's like having all the bad bits of social media converted to speech and played on a loudspeaker in my garden  * I mean, Crazy Comrade Corbyn Wanted To Abolish the Army, didn't he? And the police! Good thing the gammons didn't vote for a government that was going to drastically cut both those things, isn't it?
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thespaceinvader posted:I have no problem with cutting the military budgets and shrinking the size of the standing army, but without replacing those jobs with either UBI or some other jobs, all it's goign to do is harm poor communities even further. Squaddies hate civvies with a ferocity you wouldn’t believe
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Jel Shaker posted:Squaddies hate civvies with a ferocity you wouldn’t believe OK. What's your point?
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BalloonFish posted:At the moment there are two guys sitting my neighbour's garden - neither of whom are my neighbour, but she lets a lot of her friends chill in her garden when she's not in. Both are classic thumb-men, and they're talking in slightly over-loud voices that are drifting right in my open window. Over the past hour we've had: Can you burn down your neighbours house
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thespaceinvader posted:OK. Less army the better
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BalloonFish posted:1) The pandemic was an over-reaction because we don't know anyone who had it. Just a like a bad flu. Honestly this feeling seems pretty common to me. When I was off for 2 weeks with Covid then came back having visibly lost weight and still not breathing properly most people basically thought I just had a holiday. Like when I'd tell them how bad it was (and how it's still considered mild as I didn't need the hospital) they still didn't take it in. I'm in my late twenties with no underlying health conditions and this is one of the best case scenarios lol. My favourite part was we all got tested to see if we had it, everyone had been chatting poo poo about how "they definitely had it in February" so they don't need to worry but no one apart from me came up positive. This STILL didn't change anyone's opinions about "lockdown being an overreaction", "the death count being overblown" or "I'd rather have it an get it out of the way." Fuuuuck this country man lol. thrashingteeth fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Jul 5, 2020 |
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forkboy84 posted:Very much the same. The military budget is far bigger than it needs to be for an island this pissant. Slashing the military budget only reduces the possibility of future military adventurism abroad. It's going to suck when Sir Keir goes for "we really need to invade Iraq again. And Iran. At the same time." a guy i know joined the navy last year because he was bored in the endless run of call centre jobs he was jumping between. its a genius move because he gets all the valour and hero worship from the churchill dipshits but also he will never be in any danger whatsoever and spends most of his time on deployment posting screengrabs of his two point hospital progress on instagram.
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Jel Shaker posted:Squaddies hate civvies with a ferocity you wouldn’t believe every single one of them has a hilarious story about pissing in a coca cola bottle and giving it to some iraqi child as a joke. utterly repellent human beings living fat and easy at the taxpayers expense.
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Is there a thread consensus on Anneliese Dodds yet? I saw her on Andrew Marr this morning, and setting aside the fact that she seems to refuse to actually be critical of the Government/Sunak, and refuse to say what Labour would do if they were in power, she just strikes me as an unimpressive frontline politician/media performer. How did she get such a prominent role in the Shadow Cabinet?
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Halisnacks posted:How did she get such a prominent role in the Shadow Cabinet? Halisnacks posted:she seems to refuse to actually be critical of the Government/Sunak, and refuse to say what Labour would do if they were in power 😉
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Darth Walrus posted:Sneak preview of Conservative messaging during the second wave: Reminds me of this (40 seconds in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv85s_v3LKo
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The Question IRL posted:While I think that cutting the militaries budget is probably a net good decision, they said they are reducing the number of personal. The Police won't be getting "military grade assault rifles" (ridiculous) or "Humvees" because the police force already have a pretty good firearms stock nor will they be buying protected mobility as their budgets wouldn't be able to maintain them. As a vested interest I'd rather we didn't cut the amount of troops we have, I'm not adverse to scrapping trident though and the RN probably should have had a bigger surface fleet to be able to escort them as at the moment it's pointless and it would be more of an attachment to a larger flotilla. Jel Shaker posted:Less army the better I'm guessing a squaddie either shagged a relative/gf or you live in a predominantly military garrison area. If we do start making redundancies I'll be happy to take my 3.5x years salary and six months resettlement and 12k grant to transition over. But next time dams burst, floods happen, heath fires or you require back filling for covid testing centres which im doing next month your going to find the ability to man them that much harder as core NATO and EU commitments will still be there. MonkeyLibFront fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jul 5, 2020 |
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^^^ The stock will be sold to the Saudis, not the police. DeadButDelicious posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53296689
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Bobby Deluxe posted:^^^ The stock will be sold to the Saudis, not the police. They won't want SA80A3 or any of our domestic armour or protective mobility, Afghan really messed with our conventional procurement cycle, we are only just getting away through it. Our CIS systems are pretty good even though it's been like stuffing a flump through a keyhole to get Bowman to a usable state. MonkeyLibFront fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Jul 5, 2020 |
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MonkeyLibFront posted:But next time dams burst, floods happen, heath fires or you require back filling for covid testing centres which im doing next month your going to find the ability to man them that much harder as core NATO and EU commitments will still be there. The fact that our society is so badly run it needs the military to operate healthcare services or emergency relief efforts is an argument for improving those things, not a defence of the military lol NATO is also bad and we should not be in it.
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You could happily disband the whole UK army and the only downside would be finding everyone jobs. I guess less farmers would be exploded and people intentionally starved abroad which would be just terrible
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MonkeyLibFront posted:The Police won't be getting "military grade assault rifles" (ridiculous) or "Humvees" because the police force already have a pretty good firearms stock nor will they be buying protected mobility as their budgets wouldn't be able to maintain them. Rather than using soldiers as scabs how about we just hire more firemen to deal with heath fires? Nobody else meets NATO commitments & we're not going to be in the EU much longer so not sure that matters. Cut the military to the bone while there's still a dozen countries we've yet to invade.
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namesake posted:The fact that our society is so badly run it needs the military to operate healthcare services or emergency relief efforts is an argument for improving those things, not a defence of the military lol Never said it was, but the military has always been a good resource to dip in to to bolster civilian infrastructure and logistics, MACA is a great way of allowing integration during unprecedented scenarios, why waste NHS staff setting up regional testing centres when you can get the military to do it? I worked at the Olympics when G4S failed to turn up, I think we did a great job for what essentially is a vanity project for the government which went to poo poo, it's a very adaptive resource that can be used and has been for many scenarios, disaster relief efforts come to mind and the ability to react to that can be used for good in the world. forkboy84 posted:Rather than using soldiers as scabs how about we just hire more firemen to deal with heath fires? The chances of the UK invading anyone like we did in 2003 is ludicrous as we don't have the ability to anymore. I like that you picked up the fact we filled in during the firefighters strike and not helping with heath fires or flooding, they provided a very limited service and most agreed with what firefighters were doing and at the time they always responded with actual real firefighters just incase, it was mainly putting out bun fires that kids had started. Plenty of countries proved other resources that make up for the lack of 2% and it should and can be improved in my opinion, EU task forces will still operate and we'll just operate with them, anti piracy work off the horn of Africa and stabilisation will still happen with our involvement. MonkeyLibFront fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Jul 5, 2020 |
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MonkeyLibFront posted:If we do start making redundancies I'll be happy to take my 3.5x years salary and six months resettlement and 12k grant to transition over. But of course, and even better when the government decides on a recruitment drive to recover numbers in a couple of years you can be rehired again. Win win!
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Bowman should be a trigger word for those of us now in civvie street.
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We never used to have all this 'Happy birthday NHS' stuff did we. Only in the last couple of years. Obviously I totally support the NHS. But having worked in it though a long time ago they could do with cutting the senior (non-medical) management considerably and have a thorough audit of procurement. I know it was well over 20 years ago but
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MonkeyLibFront posted:I'm guessing a squaddie either shagged a relative/gf or you live in a predominantly military garrison area I don't think "you only think soldiers are terrible because you've encountered some" is the pro-military argument you seem to think it is
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Julio Cruz posted:I don't think "you only think soldiers are terrible because you met some" is the pro-military argument you seem to think it is I don't think it's pro I just know what garrison towns are like, also it's just a bit of a joke when people say they hate squaddies.
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Flipswitch posted:Bowman should be a trigger word for those of us now in civvie street. Which version did you leave with? I promise it's much better now, Google maps and it's nearly plug and play. Marmaduke! posted:But of course, and even better when the government decides on a recruitment drive to recover numbers in a couple of years you can be rehired again. Win win! Once I'm out, that's me, I'll take my tank commanding skills to the civilian world.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:We never used to have all this 'Happy birthday NHS' stuff did we. Only in the last couple of years. That's my thoughts on it, I can't vouch for how accurate it is!
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I live about 10 miles from one of the largest naval bases in the UK. Every single squaddie I've ever met (and that's a whole loving lot of them, mind), I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them. Absolutely zero concept of humanity, will openly tell you they joined up to shoot foreigners.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:I live about 10 miles from one of the largest naval bases in the UK. I've seen a lot of humanity in the job, being on tour I saw it in bucket loads, yes the job has a punchy side but I've seen people switch from hyper aggression to giving first aid to those trying blow you up. My lads have stopped at an RTA and administered first aid while others just drove round but you find that in all walks of life I suppose. Yeah there's a lot of bluster with young men and to a lesser degree the women in the armed forces but most I've come across have been fairly humble people, most of those that shout the loudest about blowing up foreigners probably aren't in a trade that actually does the pointy stabby stuff or are just dicks anyway. I know I have said the same thing about killing foreigners but it was mainly as a joke in order to just give them an answer to what they wanted to hear as once they heard I was in the military they already had made up their mind about me. Now it may not be your experience as Naval towns are even more of a poo poo hole than Army garrisons probably due to the transient nature of those that serve in them. MonkeyLibFront fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Jul 5, 2020 |
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MonkeyLibFront posted:I've seen a lot of humanity in the job, being on tour I saw it in bucket loads, yes the job has a punchy side but I've seen people switch from hyper aggression to giving first aid to those trying blow you up. My lads have stopped at an RTA and administered first aid while others just drove round but you find that in all walks of life I suppose. Yeah there's a lot of bluster with young men and to a lesser degree the women in the armed forces but most I've come across have been fairly humble people, most of those that shout the loudest about blowing up foreigners probably aren't in a trade that actually does the pointy stabby stuff or are just dicks anyway. Can you understand why people would quite like to abolish an instutition where saying you want to commit genocide is "what they wanted to hear"?
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It's unsurprising that reactionaries act like they've lost because they have, that's why they are reactionaries. He is right though that if liberal anti-racism is the only kind of anti-racism being presented to the people then a lot of people will reject it and side with the rightwing. That's why it's important to ridicule Starmer for his awful positions and continue to advocate for socialist principles and liberation against all forms of oppression so people know that it is still an option they can support.
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lmao "Woke-us Dei", has Milo Edwards decided to branch out from writing Brendan O'Neill articles?
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Can you understand why people would quite like to abolish an instutition where saying you want to commit genocide is "what they wanted to hear"? I might be being a thick squaddie but the person I was conversing with basically framed the question in a way that even if I had said my real reasons they had already made up my their mind that I was a racist hater of all things foreign. It was delivered with probably the biggest eye roll I could deliver, anyone who joins with the express wish to kill foreigners on the sole basis that they are foreign is a dick and isn't welcome in the Army, now the difference is as an organisation we wholly realise that we have racists in the workforce but that doesn't mean we condone it or try to ignore it, I can only speak for my regiment though in how I've seen it being dealt with. I also realise that the military is designed to defend against and defeat those that are deemed the enemy, I've come to terms with that though. I understand why people want to get rid of the military, I would love nothing more if we didn't require a military and we all lived together peacefully on this world and I could take up pottery full time. MonkeyLibFront fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jul 5, 2020 |
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it's a very American way of thinking - the US right-wing harbours deep cultural resentment over federal university funding whilst in the UK the public policy goal of continually increasing the % of degree holders in each cohort is more-or-less uncontested in the UK it is not plausible that universities will actually run short of access to public funds, and anyway the leading universities are the preserves of the UK establishment and also have very deep private pockets. There's no route to ideologically reshaping the faculty save through the faculty itself. In the US it is actually plausible that cultural conservatives will take the entire state legislature and will face no real opposition over how small in-state non-Ivy-League universities are to be funded ronya fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jul 5, 2020 |
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