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PipHelix posted:I think given what we know about the biology, the victims were surgically removed from them. Short of sawing the head up into quarters and spatchcocking the neck and torso I don't see how you get an intact live facehugger off a host and there obviously no way you get a live host out from under a face hugger. i mean, getting a live host out would be significantly easier, i'd think? lay them down face-down on a bed or table with their head hanging off. very carefully sever the tail at the base, making sure to avoid splashing the host's neck with any blood, because a facehugger's danger response is to coil tighter, which could strangle the host. sever the legs one by one similarly, then grab the nodules on the back side, pull, and sever the proboscis when you see it emerge (making sure to leave enough slack that you won't burn the host with acid, if possible). then just pull the proboscis out, x-ray to make sure there's no successful embryo, and voila, you have a much nicer breakfast that won't be interrupted by your crew member exploding into gore.
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:i mean, getting a live host out would be significantly easier, i'd think? An "intact" facehugger. Which, I can't find the video this early in the morning but I'm pretty sure they were in that scene. Also, in Aliens, the face hugger makes pretty clear its gonna kill the host with the tail if anyone fucks with it. Much simpler to assume that whatever level Burke rose to his station from? There's another sociopath on LV426 (...was, I guess) willing to do whatever hosed up thing he can on orders for his percentage and climb the chain.
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PipHelix posted:An "intact" facehugger. Which, I can't find the video this early in the morning but I'm pretty sure they were in that scene. Also, in Aliens, the face hugger makes pretty clear its gonna kill the host with the tail if anyone fucks with it. I think the dialogue mentions that the victims died during removal. I know it's in the novelization.
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:i mean, getting a live host out would be significantly easier, i'd think? Too much like hard work, no one wants that acid going anywhere. Just prep for surgery, wait for the facehugger to finish then immediately remove the embryo. It worked for Judge Dredd and that guy was pushing 60 by that point.
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PhotoKirk posted:I think the dialogue mentions that the victims died during removal. I know it's in the novelization. Yep. Bishop says that they died while he's going over the files.
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:i mean, getting a live host out would be significantly easier, i'd think? Dammit, I didn't read all the way read through to your post before responding and wrote almost exactly the same thing. Like almost to a T. Great minds. Although my method included a 5 gallon bucket of a base like Ammonium or Potassium Hydroxide to work over, so that you didn't burn a hole through the floor, and extra on hand to neutralize any spills. Jay_Zombie fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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I imagine that once the colonists understood what the facehugger does, the choice comes down to: A) We do nothing. This guy dies in agony, and we have a baby monster to deal with. B) We do whatever is necessary to get this thing off his face. Maybe he lives? No baby monster though.
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The Zombie Guy posted:I imagine that once the colonists understood what the facehugger does, the choice comes down to: Would the face hugger remain on a dead person? Alien implied that the face hugger was supplying Kane with oxygen while he was being impregnated. Would it let go it it realized that the victim was no longer breathing? This could go down a dark path...
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PhotoKirk posted:Would the face hugger remain on a dead person? Alien implied that the face hugger was supplying Kane with oxygen while he was being impregnated. Would it let go it it realized that the victim was no longer breathing? It can probably detect carbon dioxide, and without exhalation, would probably detach and seek the nearest new host.
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#1: Facehuggers die after implanting the embryo. If you get a facehugger off a person and they're alive? That hugger dead, son. You can pull the embryo but Burke said get a live one. Maybe that was their first attempt. Try again. #2: Facehuggers kill the host if removal is attempted. If damaged huggers spurt molecular acid all over the dang place. So now you got a hosed up hugger and a colonist with no face. Burke probably gave explicit instructions for healthy specimens. Also, Alien Resurrection proved what a bad idea it is to try to contain a xeno with an open wound. gently caress, try again. #3: Kill the colonist - Given that the hugger is pumping air into the lungs, it's basically an ICU. The colonist breathes cause the hugger is making him breathe. You'll need to destroy the heart or lungs. All the hugger needs is a stomach for the embryo and oxygenated blood to keep it alive. Ok, goddammit, I, a WY mid-level manager am getting sick to death of these goddamn huggers. This is the ALIEN universe guys. The only constant is WY murdering its workers to capture a facehugger/xeno. They 100% baited a hugger onto some poor mook then, maybe they didn't literally need to pulverize the head and filet the torso to remove the hugger and ovipositor to get it clear of the colonist. Just stab the heart, shutting down oxygenation, hugger probably lets go and tries to find someone else. But I've got to imagine they have more weird bodymod tricks to keep even a hosed up host alive. #4: Or, possibly, the old Box with a Stick and a String. Maybe a kids toy for movement and a CO2 canister with a slow leak for bait.
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Possibly thread related content: Recently ran a Call of Cthulhu module I homebrewed to be as stupid as possible because the guy who suggested this as Quarentainment is really, really bad at the improv angle of tabletop roleplaying and if you thought HP Lovecraft was overwrought and boring at times, holy gently caress try having a guy read a module written by someone aping his style as if it's holy writ. I smashed up Metropolis (Our investigators are in 1920s Berlin) and Terminator (Murderous Robot Doubles are in Metropolis) and had them square off against Weimar Germany's newest technological marvel, HimmelNetz. It was a DISASTER. In a fun way.
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PipHelix posted:#1: Facehuggers die after implanting the embryo. If you get a facehugger off a person and they're alive? That hugger dead, son. You can pull the embryo but Burke said get a live one. Maybe that was their first attempt. Try again. #5: Take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Jay_Zombie posted:#5: Take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. #6 You know, I... I expected more from you. I thought you'd be smarter than this.
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PipHelix posted:#2: Facehuggers kill the host if removal is attempted. If damaged huggers spurt molecular acid all over the dang place. So now you got a hosed up hugger and a colonist with no face. Burke probably gave explicit instructions for healthy specimens. they attempt to kill the host by strangling the host with their tail and blood-choking them, they don't start squirting acid all over the host. if you're just trying to get a hugger off someone ASAP before it implants, which is where I was going (ie averting a Kane situation), cutting off the tail at the base would more or less neutralize it, and if you lay them face down with their head hanging over a strong base, gravity means the acid won't be an issue beyond maybe some mild skin-level burns from splash that can just be bandaged. then you just sever the legs to loosen its grip, expose and sever the proboscis to keep it from implanting an egg, and pull it out of the esophagus so they don't choke. and then you drain out the blood and stick the butchered hugger in the freezer, because they're probably pretty good eatin', i'd imagine they're like space fugu.
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I meant if you try to pull them gently they crush the neck, and if you try to cut them they spurt acid and also crush the neck. I don't really know how you'd get a blade between the tail and the neck, which seems necessary for a quick tail chop that also doesn't go into the neck, without crushing the spine and I don't see how you do it otherwise without ending up with blood all over the place if you're trying to saw in from above but also go slow enough you don't slit their throat. Even if you lop it off, you still have a tail stump wrapped twice or so around the neck hosing acid that must be removed quickly. Any rate, the huggers we see in the vats, that come at Ripley and Newt, were fully intact. Tails, legs, everything. They weren't cut off a human, though it's possible they were captured straight out of the egg or something. But I feel like we're missing the point. The shortest distance between two points in the Alien Extended Universe is a baroque conspiracy that cuts straight through the lives of dozens or hundreds of clueless innocents. There's nothing in the movie to suggest Burke had an inside man, but I posit that claiming measures were taken to protect the human lives of WY workers while securing a xeno for a WY Suit is arguing against Occam's razor in this case. As for the space Fugu, I've said given the amount of base you'd need to pickle them in to keep a bite of xenomorph from falling straight through you like a cartoon ghost eating dinner, the nearest analog would be Lutefisk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwyuwpXUjQQ&t=240s PipHelix fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jul 8, 2020 |
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PipHelix posted:I smashed up Metropolis (Our investigators are in 1920s Berlin) and Terminator (Murderous Robot Doubles are in Metropolis) and had them square off against Weimar Germany's newest technological marvel, HimmelNetz. It was a DISASTER. In a fun way. That sounds pretty baller. How'd the gently caress that up?
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BiggerBoat posted:That sounds pretty baller. How'd the gently caress that up? Welp, I tried to give everyone a thing to do, which is a real concern in CoC because it has a ton of absolutely useless skills and professions. One member chose 'photojournalist' and had done basically nothing across probably 30 hours of longsuffering playtime for instance. One player was a racecar driver and put essentially 40% of the skill points his character was given into 'drive auto'. The old DM, who had basically been just telling anyone who tried something not explicitly anticipated in the written module a flat 'no, you can't do that', had been playing a priest, who'd gone seriously nuts, murdered a friend while possessed by an extra dimensional evil and lost his faith. So I decide to give him multimedia 'visions'. I tell him prior to the module starting he's been getting strange phonecalls in the middle of the night with a link to a youtube recording of old school dial up modem sounds. The plan is to go LawnMower Man (I told you I was going for stupid with this), present the computer as a replacement for God and try to peel him off and turn him. And then in the first scene I direct message him a the MOLOCH! scene from Metropolis, which I'm very proud of myself for synching to Dan Friel's industrial-electronica-noise track 'Singing Sands'. (He's also been a monster pain about playing the lovely public domain background jazz music tracks that come with the app we're playing on. For 'atmosphere') So would it surprise you AT ALL to learn that, when a guy who's been DMing for probably 50 hours at this point and holding his players to a super rigid sphere of possibility, sees a fellow DM trying something new, weird and crafted specifically for his guy, decides to use the foreshadowing I've given him to hijack a scene and up and shove a crossbow under the chin of the first non-violent NPC questgiver he's introduced to and demands answers with the threat of murder. This is done in public, at the equivalent of a TedTalk demonstration of the computer. I sigh and go along with it. In the next session they discover that the Johann Kuhners they've been trying to save is in charge of Operation Consul, the pre-Nazi group that was whacking Weimar officials to take power. This is a threat to Skynet cause its a DARPA (WeimARPA?) project, and Nazis, while tech inclined, are too easily distracted by occult magic poo poo. I casually mention this guy was a scarred vet of the Great War, and this DM, who's a vet himself, excuses himself goes to the bathroom and rustles around, prompts me to agree a wounded vet would have morphine for the pain, then immediately jabs him in the throat with a syringe. The resulting melee was pretty cool, the photojournalist rolled under her dogshit drive auto and flattened two Nazis at once and managed to shoot the Nazi John Connors' bodyguard Johannes Klaus Von Damm (he played a 1920's fightguy who befriends a German in maybe his worst movie so that poo poo's canon) in the head with a pistol she's literally never hit anything with in weeks of playing. My buddy's bartender character who was trapped in the back seat with this monster of kungfu getting the living poo poo beaten out of him landed the lucky punch that knocked him out. Pretty awesome except the party was split and trying to top-of-the-dome a massive fight with a bunch of hostile NPC's I'd included in the scene specifically so they would NOT try this poo poo meant we went, and I am not joking, a three and a half hour session without either of the two separated characters doing anything whatsoever. DM's character also would have had no reason to start all this poo poo, but I chose to save time and brief the driver and brawler, who'd been hired as bodyguards by the President that they were to capture the Nazi alive, in his earshot. I'm going to repeat this, he broke character and started a 3-on-4 fight, which included Jean-loving-Claude Van Damme on the other team, without the team's main two fighters, just to. They all only survived because the 400-lb photojournalist with no fight skills rolled John Wick in two consecutive combat rounds. Nevertheless, I showed the other players a good time. I gave the group 'alignment' Commie/Centrist/Nazi by tracking their responses to scenes and characters, with the alignment affecting whether they lost or gained SAN from for instance seeing food rioters shot by cops or murdering an innocent to get an in with/not be killed by the Nazis. Everyone's pretty lefty but I thought maybe someone would side with the Nazis or the lovely let--them-eat-cake centrists in the government, either just to stretch their legs or because the person promising them freedom and plenty is literally loving SkyNet. Nope. During a trolley problem scene where it was let the runaway trolley crush some track workers or smash a stalled limousine full of a rich woman and her young children the photojounalist charged the lever and yelled she'd shoot anyone who tried to keep it from killing the kids. I gave the racecar driver a getaway scene but underestimated how crazy good he was at this dump skill. He basically passed every roll no problem so the tension wasn't what I'd hoped but at least he got to drive a loving car for once, and describing the Blues Brothers-ian mayhem as Nazi Assassins kept spinning out into fruitstands on the sidewalk and stuff kept folks invested. The photojournalist was unbeknownst to her tipping the scales of power with the photos she took in the scenes. Since she sold the picture of the police shooting protestors to left wing outlets, for instance, the thoroughly robot-infiltrated socialists were getting the people on their side. The nazi papers would have done much the same. If she'd sold to the centrists it would be panicked hangwringing and calls for a emergency powers and a law and order crackdown on the rabble. And so on for each scene. The bartender character also hadn't previously been given much to do. A lucky roll meant the False Maria hypnotized him in the Yoshiwara scene (she was working down the phone book terminating John Connorses by mesmerizing them and Flappering them to death) and he played the character after as the most desperate, simpy, replyguy possible. When the final showdown happened, he sided with the robots on a dime without even being made to roll a POW roll to resist, which turned the calculus such that the rest of the group chose to murder the soldiers protecting the president of the Republic and force him into the Robotomizer. For his troubles I decided that the bartender was given the option to become transhuman and get downloaded into a robot body. A Robotomy involves massive probes getting jammed in through both eye sockets and your brain being electrified/scrambled which, again, he agreed to instantly cause that's the role he was playing. If it seems like that goes without saying in a roleplaying game, God I wish it would. The DM had a lowgrade freakout when he realized one of the PC's is now canonically a pain-proof, super strong coal-and-steam powered cyborg (but he takes double SAN damage from magic poo poo cause "Beep Boop does not compute!") but had the good sense to rein it in and not steal another player's character development out from under him. It's also canon, as we continue to play further 20's Berlin modules, that the leadership of the Nazis, the (German) Communists, and the Weimar government are all replicant puppets of the self-aware babbage engine. Rulemonster DM also did not like this but was overruled in a unanimous mutiny. In any case they'll keep up the appearance of conflict to distract the populace while it builds power so technically anything that happens in other modules still happens, its just part of the dumbshow. Next time they let me anywhere near the wheel I'm doing Delta Green, which is a modern day version, setting it during Nam, and basically making it Platoon+Predator, but instead of a yautja, They're being hunted by a self aware Blob, with a figleaf of Mythos connection as an excuse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantoms_(novel) PipHelix fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jul 8, 2020 |
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What was also wierd is I came up with this in like, May, just texting the bartender guy the dumbest idea for a module I could think of. It elaborated into this idea that society is crumbling all around them, people are hungry, people are angry, self-appointed cops are killing people in the streets (read about the FreiKorps) which is the perfect time for a manipulative computer to infiltrate robots to cause panic and violence and destabilize everything. We opened the module on week 1 of the George Floyd protests and I had to swear up and down I didn't do a Dick Wolf 'ripped from the headlines' plot. This may also have contributed to my PC's uniformly choosing 'Helter Skelter' as a political affiliation.
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Anyway enough about me. Back to the xenos! https://twitter.com/AlbzSFC/status/1279553544543186947
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To me the real question isn't how they got into the storage tubes. It's how Burke got them out. I can imagine he pops the lid off like an oversized Pringles can and *bam* facemasked.
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Wild T posted:To me the real question isn't how they got into the storage tubes. It's how Burke got them out. I can imagine he pops the lid off like an oversized Pringles can and *bam* facemasked. Automation?
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During that scene there's a shot of what appears to be the container tube rolling slightly back and forth on the floor, with the top kind of disassembled. I'd guess Burke brought the tubes in, loosened whatever lid/enclosure thing existed on the top, and then hauled rear end out of there before the facehuggers worked themselves free.
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PipHelix posted:#6 You know, I... I expected more from you. I thought you'd be smarter than this. #7 I say we grease this rat-gently caress son-of-a-bitch right now.
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It's pretty interesting that Hicks actually decides to waste him before the power cuts out. He even has a one liner ready when the attack starts. Seems a bit out of character, I expected Burke would be tied up or something.
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Wowshawk posted:It's pretty interesting that Hicks actually decides to waste him before the power cuts out. He even has a one liner ready when the attack starts. "Alright, we waste him. No offense." It's great because it gives Hicks a chance to spout one of his best one-liners but cuts him off before he can do more than snatch him up by his collar. It gives deniability that he would have executed him - maybe one of the other characters would talk him down, or he was just screwing with his head. It keeps the character of Hicks edgy and cool without outright making him murder someone in cold blood.
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I forget was this before or after the scene where he familiarizes Ripley with the pulse rifle? I got a vibe like he was starting to have surrogate family feeling about Ripley and Newt and whatever he did next was coming from a place of Angry Daddy Bear who's cubs were threatened. Of course that might just be me putting myself in his boots.
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Wild T posted:"Alright, we waste him. No offense." Killing an evil capitalist corporate stooge is at worst akin to putting down a rabid dog. Hicks will always have the moral high ground 
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Biplane posted:Killing an evil capitalist corporate stooge is at worst akin to putting down a rabid dog. Hicks will always have the moral high ground Oh I agree. It just lets the audience play it both ways, with the bonus of having Burke get taken out in a much more satisfying way than just getting shot. Edit: Let's not forget he also promises to shoot Ripley then himself if things went south. He never explicitly says it, but I'd imagine that means a bullet for the kid, too. Dude is definitely not above shooting people if he has a valid reason to. Wild T fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Jul 9, 2020 |
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Wild T posted:"Alright, we waste him. No offense." I should rewatch that scene (I should rewatch aliens anyway) I believe Ripley tries to stop him and talks about bringing him back for justice. That is a nicely set up one liner in any case. Edit; there's an AVP board game by prodoss games, has anyone played that? It's oop at the moment, but I may be able to buy it second hand.
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Wowshawk posted:I should rewatch that scene (I should rewatch aliens anyway) I believe Ripley tries to stop him and talks about bringing him back for justice. I have not played it but picked it up when they were doing the "we're losing the liscence" sale the miniatures are really, really nice and the second edition ones are pre-assembled/single piece cast. If you like little dolls and can get it at a reasonable price that's reason enough to get it. There's also a new game coming out from, I think GF9. Not sure if they've previewed the little dolls from it.
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Wild T posted:"Alright, we waste him. No offense." I like the juxtaposition between Hicks and Hudson here. Hudson is taking it extremely personal ("You're dog meat, pal!"), while Hicks' tone feels like this is just another piece of business to be taken care of.
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Didn't the first facehugger melt or stab its proboscus through a space helmet?
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Wowshawk posted:I should rewatch that scene (I should rewatch aliens anyway) I believe Ripley tries to stop him and talks about bringing him back for justice. Yeah she says "No! He has to go back." I'm assuming it's the classic "the authorities will deal with him." I didn't think about this until just now but since he's a corporate bitch they would either get him off easy, or let him take the fall for all of them. I say they should have wasted him.  The Zombie Guy posted:I like the juxtaposition between Hicks and Hudson here. Hudson is taking it extremely personal ("You're dog meat, pal!"), while Hicks' tone feels like this is just another piece of business to be taken care of. I like this too. Up until then Hicks is the level headed experienced guy but with authority now. He's in command and has to make the big decisions. Then he just says "Yeah. Killing him makes sense. Let's get it done." Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jul 9, 2020 |
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As I kid I always took calling him a "ratfuck son of a bitch" as just another way to call him slimy or vermin. Then I joined the military years later, where ratfucking is a term for folks who open and dig through all the MREs picking out all the best poo poo and leaving all the leftover crap for everyone else. Considering Burke's character, it really does work.Pennywise the Frown posted:I like this too. Up until then Hicks is the level headed experienced guy but with authority now. He's in command and has to make the big decisions. Then he just says "Yeah. Killing him makes sense. Let's get it done." Hicks as a character is set up so perfectly in his first few scenes. In the beginning, he's the only one of the junior enlisted taking the briefing seriously at all. Next, he's planning and organizing their operations and laughs approvingly when Ripley tries to prove herself useful to the team. Then, as everyone is posturing and whooping as they're in the drop, his rear end is taking a beauty nap because he's too cool to boast.
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That part where Apone and him both have poo poo eating grins and start laughing when Ripley says "where do you want it?" has always been one of my favourite scenes
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All Matthews' laugh is impossible not to like. Also the way he rolls his cigar from one side to the other and says "be my guest!" Al was a Vietnam vet and evidently threatened one cast member that if they ever pointed their rifle at him again he'd make them eat it.
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Lol that owns, and you're right his laugh is completely infectious.
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That scene owns Also the guy who makes dwarf fortress named his “studio” for it
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