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PJOmega
May 5, 2009

AceOfFlames posted:

Anyone else initially read this sentence in a completely different way?

I briefly thought everything up until that moment was a dream and was so excited to be on the correct timeline.

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Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

AceOfFlames posted:

Anyone else initially read this sentence in a completely different way?

yes.I take it as a glimpse into a happier timeline

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Ambitious Spider posted:

yes.I take it as a glimpse into a happier timeline

𝖜𝖊𝖑𝖈𝖔𝖒𝖊 𝖙𝖔 𝕻𝖔𝖔𝖕𝖂𝖔𝖗𝖑𝖉 𝖜𝖍𝖊𝖗𝖊 𝖞𝖔𝖚𝖗 𝖕𝖔𝖔𝖕 𝖎𝖘 𝖉𝖗𝖚𝖌𝖘 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖞𝖔𝖚 𝖈𝖆𝖓 𝖌𝖊𝖙 𝖍𝖎𝖌𝖍 𝖆𝖓𝖞 𝖙𝖎𝖒𝖊 𝖞𝖔𝖚 𝖜𝖆𝖓𝖙 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖋𝖗𝖊𝖊 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖑𝖆𝖚𝖌𝖍 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖑𝖆𝖚𝖌𝖍

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

I got myself a copy (hell no I didn't pay for it) of True Allegiance, Ben Shapiro's Clancy-esque thriller. I'm going to have to do a thread on it when I have time because it's even worse than it seems from the synopsis. It's very revealing about both Shapiro's inner beliefs and his own stupidity with how many basic facts and words he gets wrong.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

chitoryu12 posted:

I got myself a copy (hell no I didn't pay for it) of True Allegiance, Ben Shapiro's Clancy-esque thriller. I'm going to have to do a thread on it when I have time because it's even worse than it seems from the synopsis. It's very revealing about both Shapiro's inner beliefs and his own stupidity with how many basic facts and words he gets wrong.

it's reasonably likely that he didn't actually write a line of it, most of those celebrity "novels" are banged out by ghostwriters

wonder if all the right-wingers draw from the same pool. what a sorry line of work that must be

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Oxxidation posted:

it's reasonably likely that he didn't actually write a line of it, most of those celebrity "novels" are banged out by ghostwriters

wonder if all the right-wingers draw from the same pool. what a sorry line of work that must be

I believe that he wrote it. It not only matches what he says, the “good” characters even use his arguing style of saying the most wrong and dumb poo poo, the other person pointing out how stupid that was, then him talking endlessly until the other person gives up.

There’s a scene where the paramilitary militia protagonists infiltrate a BLM-style protest to rescue the cop who was framed for shooting a kid with a toy gun, and they draw attention by wearing shirts that say “BEAT DOWN THESE THUGS.” They formed around a farmer who has been labeled a domestic terrorist for bombing a water control board office in retaliation for the EPA restricting her water usage.

These are the good guys in the book.

Mister No
Jul 15, 2006
Yes.
the Behind the Bastards podcast did a little two episode dive into that book recently.

I absolutely believe Shapiro wrote it himself.

Dreqqus
Feb 21, 2013

BAMF!
If it was a ghost writer that person deserves an award for so perfectly capturing Shapiro's specific brand of obnoxious wrongness.

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood
ben shapiro has done more to harm america than ISIS and al quaeda put together. he is a stochastic terrorist and his listeners are all future spree killers in waiting.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

A funny thing you learn from reading the book is that Ben Shapiro is seemingly completely okay with terrorism and crime, as long as it's done by the right people. The Muslim terrorists in the book are straight out of 2003 Flash games, making cracks about "You Americans with your McDonalds and your Xbox and your freedom" and there's only one Muslim in the entire book who isn't a terrorist or working for them (he's a black Malcolm X fan who became an FBI informant after accidentally befriending one of the 9/11 terrorists and deciding Islam was hosed up), but one of the groups of good guys in this book is the aforementioned paramilitary militia that later tries to assassinate the president (who hasn't done anything "wrong" except be kinda conniving and not engaged in the hardline stances against China and Mexico that Shapiro wants).

He also favors sending the Texas National Guard to invade Mexico even against the federal government's wishes.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


The Lost Man is Jane Harper's third book in the crime/detective genre and her best so far. It starts with a guy succumbing to the heat in the Outback and wrings 300 pages of drama and detective work out of the premise. The final revelations are surprising but fair.

I want to get my own writings published so I think it's a good idea to read the stuff that is popular but isn't very good. It can be intimidating to see how many other authors crowd the bookstore shelves, but taking a glance at some of the crap prose that gets published is invigorating, because it means you or anyone who tries writing has a chance. Just look at that loser Chuck Wendig, or that rich and somewhat unbearable nerd Ernest Cline.

Which brings me to The Guest List by Lucy Foley. The premise is that a wedding takes place on a remote island, only for it to end in murder. Notice how I said it ends in murder. That's because the murder happens at the literal and chronological end of the book, so there's no room for a detective, and that also means all the action before the murder is just a wedding. A wedding full of coke-snorting snobs, but still a wedding for the first 350 pages of this large-margin, big-font, 370 page book. To compensate for this lack of action the author keeps flashing forward to the aftermath of murder, again and again in a "Three Weeks Earlier" teaser. It never gets exciting and every cliffhanger is that annoying faux type: A big man holding a blood knife appears! He's just carving lamb in the kitchen. A scary face peers through the window! It's one of the guests who arrived late.

You know that trope where someone stumbles on a murder and immediately decides to manhandle the murder-weapon? That's also here.

The last 20 pages has a series of revelations where it turns out all the characters are connected to a degree that Kevin Bacon would blush. But given how small the cast is it fails to surprise. At the end it feels like the Author got tired and hammers the entire epilogue in a thousand words or less.

If this gets a TV adaptation it'll need a poo poo-ton more murder or perhaps a completely different ending. As is this reads like someone mixed Shameless with Murder She Wrote, but reads nowhere near interesting as that combination.

Inspector Gesicht has a new favorite as of 12:39 on Jun 17, 2020

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
Ah, the ol' Dan Brown effect of THIS TOTALLY HAPPENED and NOW IT'S TOTALLY POINTLESS BECAUSE HAH YOU FELL FOR IT YOU RUBE, YOU ABSOLUTE SIMPLETON, YOU GODDAMNED IDIOT.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

Inspector Gesicht posted:

page book.

To compensate for this lack of action the author keeps flashing forward to the aftermath of murder, again and again in a "Three Weeks Earlier" teaser. It never gets exciting and every cliffhanger is that annoying faux type: A big man holding a blood knife appears! He's just carving lamb in the kitchen. A scary face peers through the window! It's one of the guests who arrived late.

Ah, I see they studied at the RL Stine school of writing.

nothing against RL, but his books were for you know, children

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Ambitious Spider posted:

Ah, I see they studied at the RL Stine school of writing.

nothing against RL, but his books were for you know, children

There's plenty of better children's books.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

Ghost Leviathan posted:

There's plenty of better children's books.

I don’t disagree.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


Future Forum Fodder:

Ready Player Two set for publication in November

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014


I will make the thread as soon as it hits Kindle.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy
Oh no.

I look forward to hearing it get trashed, but I’m not subjecting myself to Ernest Kline ever again.

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica
ready player one is just a really mediocre litrpg

They are all mediocre so I'm not sure how it became so prominent

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

ready player one is just a really mediocre litrpg

They are all mediocre so I'm not sure how it became so prominent

Cline got lucky and hit just right with 80s nerdculture nostalgia porn. Nothing more to it than that.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Ambitious Spider posted:

Ah, I see they studied at the RL Stine school of writing.

nothing against RL, but his books were for you know, children

Hey. Watch Haunting Hour. At least RL Stine proved he could do better than his magnum opii.

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica

Groke posted:

Cline got lucky and hit just right with 80s nerdculture nostalgia porn. Nothing more to it than that.

it's not even nerd culture, its seriously like the biggest non-niche 80's things that absolutely everyone loves

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out
I love that he didn’t call his second book Ready Player Two, even though it was just the same stuff rehashed.

Ready Player Two: Play Harder

Ready Player Two: Electronic Boogaloo Boys

ScottyJSno
Aug 16, 2010

日本が大好きです!

AlbieQuirky posted:

I love that he didn’t call his second book Ready Player Two, even though it was just the same stuff rehashed.

Ready Player Two: Play Harder

Ready Player Two: Electronic Boogaloo Boys

I would bet good money the first chapter has the the main dumb character hang a lamp shade on it and talk about how the sequel to movies are never better then the first. Or the exact opposite and he sites Empire Strikes Back.

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?
So that's it? What, we some kinda Ready Player Two?

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

Clearly to be proper nerd poo poo the sequel should be Ready Playe2 One

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

Steady Player One.

Xlorp
Jan 23, 2008


2READY2PLAY

Piss Meridian
Mar 25, 2020

by Pragmatica
Ready Player One 2

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
Ready Player 12

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

Continue Player One? :f5h::mmmhmm:

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Jul 13, 2004

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packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Gideon The Ninth pretty much hits all the marks on that list. Granted it's lesbian necromancers in space, but it's not sexual, if that makes any kind of sense.

"if that makes any kind of sense," lol, like lesbians are inherently sexual, gently caress off. Also that book is written by a big time fandom creep and ends with straight up Hays Code bury your gays poo poo, so, not recommended.

I tried to read NK Jemisin on the recommendation of approximately everyone in the world and had to stop because it seemed like every single book had some shoehorned reason for the sexualization of children. Am I the only one who noticed this?

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

packetmantis posted:

Also that book is written by a big time fandom creep

Could you elaborate on this? I've heard Muir was in fandom (Homestuck, iirc?) but not anything about her being particularly creepy.

I've been considering reading Gideon, since quite a few of my friends like it, but I'm hesitant. What I've seen suggests it does the "this is a fantasy/SF/historical setting, but everyone talks like snarky Internet teens" thing that a lot of former fanfic authors fall back on, and that's pretty irritating.

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013

Antivehicular posted:

Could you elaborate on this? I've heard Muir was in fandom (Homestuck, iirc?) but not anything about her being particularly creepy.

I've been considering reading Gideon, since quite a few of my friends like it, but I'm hesitant. What I've seen suggests it does the "this is a fantasy/SF/historical setting, but everyone talks like snarky Internet teens" thing that a lot of former fanfic authors fall back on, and that's pretty irritating.

She got in an argument on her blog (that she ended up deleting; the argument, not the blog) because people reminded her she had written a fanfiction in which an adult character had sex with a child. She also dedicated the book to her husband's fandom username. He's also a creep, but I won't get into that.

It does do that, yeah, but I at least didn't find it too jarring - Gideon, the main character, is the only one who really talks that way, and it's explicitly an affectation. Everyone else, especially the nobility types, have a much more formal mode of speech.

Another thing that bothered me about the book - it clearly takes place in a far-future version of our solar system, and the backwater planet the Ninth house lives on is Pluto, but it's so understated that I'm not sure if it's some kind of easter egg or I misunderstood what was going on or what. It doesn't really matter to the story either way.

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica

packetmantis posted:

I tried to read NK Jemisin on the recommendation of approximately everyone in the world and had to stop because it seemed like every single book had some shoehorned reason for the sexualization of children. Am I the only one who noticed this?

I tried to read Jemisin and it was just bad, I didn't even make it to the child sexualization part. The whole demigod thing is exhaustingly boring.

Do you have in-text examples of the pedo stuff? I knew her stuff was mediocre, and that people just perhaps have bad taste in fiction, but that sounds awful

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug
A couple of Jemisin's books refer to sexual assault of children as a thing that happens. Which, if you're the kind of bad faith axe grinder that thinks Gideon the Ninth's ending is the Hays Code, could be thought of a sexualizing children.

GB Luxury Hamper
Nov 27, 2002

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

I tried to read Jemisin and it was just bad, I didn't even make it to the child sexualization part. The whole demigod thing is exhaustingly boring.

Do you have in-text examples of the pedo stuff? I knew her stuff was mediocre, and that people just perhaps have bad taste in fiction, but that sounds awful

I've read the Broken Earth trilogy and I have no idea what this person is talking about. Bad things happen to various child characters in the books, but I can't remember anything that I'd call "sexualization" or "pedo stuff".

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica

jkk posted:

I've read the Broken Earth trilogy and I have no idea what this person is talking about. Bad things happen to various child characters in the books, but I can't remember anything that I'd call "sexualization" or "pedo stuff".

That argument about how we don't describe characters taking a liquidy poo poo so why are we going to describe them getting raped and etc

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ulex minor
Apr 30, 2018

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

That argument about how we don't describe characters taking a liquidy poo poo

we don't???

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