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quoting myself whatever, this is the important part yeah, a training failure can lead someone to make a stupid decision and start a use of force situation when they shouldn't, and those are bad, but once that situation's started, and someone's amped up and has the weapon in their hand, they aren't the person we paid the government to train; they're the person they are. if someone's a maniac or an authoritarian blowhard or a racist or a complete loving airhead that's gonna take us to exactly the bad place we are right now we don't accept "but i was really drunk" as an excuse for doing something racist because you can't get so drunk that you turn racist; it's high time we stop accepting "but i was really scared" as a justification for that same thing
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cops have a monopoly on violence. If anyone is slightly violent, cops escalate until the other person cannot match what a cop can do and either then either dies or surrenders. This is designed on purpose.
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went to wreck beach yesterday and a pair of RCMP wearing wraparound Oakleys, bulletproof vests, tasers, pistols, batons and spray cans came down 3 times to sweep for illegal activities or whatever. ridiculous e: in recent years they still came down to the beach but those officers were not wearing milspec tacticlol getups, they had short sleeve shirts and shorts on, and not as heavily armed. I assume they are doing this because of their renewed mandate to enforce compliance with the pandemic orders Juul-Whip has issued a correction as of 22:45 on Jul 5, 2020 |
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to be clear tho I was exaggerating with that 90% figure
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flakeloaf posted:if you attack the police with a knife you're going to get shot even if they know you're mentally ill, but what idiot shows up to that call without a better plan than "just shoot him if he's violent"
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Fashionable Jorts posted:cops have a monopoly on violence. If anyone is slightly violent, cops escalate until the other person cannot match what a cop can do and either then either dies or surrenders. unless you are actually are armed and driving around killing people. then they will leave you to your own devices for a while
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Rutibex posted:unless you are actually are armed and driving around killing people. then they will leave you to your own devices for a while he had a gun! That sounds scary! If I were a cop, I wouldn't want to go near that.
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Juul-Whip posted:to be clear tho I was exaggerating with that 90% figure for the use of force part at least, 90% seems pretty lean
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https://marxist.ca/article/lessons-of-the-regina-co-op-refinery-lockoutquote:Ultimately, what was needed to win this lockout was escalation with the help of the broader labour movement. Unions and labour federations could have mobilized their members to create a massive blockade with thousands of people, not just members of Unifor. Sympathy strikes could have put massive pressure on FCL and energized workers across Canada, recognizing that the fight of the refinery workers to defend their pensions was a fight of the entire working class.  There's an opportunity to reinforce class consciousness that hasn't existed for fifty years; we just have to be ready to seize it.
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blatman posted:i'm actually pretty sure 90% of official cop training is "how to not have any repercussions when you do monstrous poo poo" I would bet you aren't far from the truth. I can't speak for cops, but I am ex-mil. It was a rare day that anyone actually told you how to cover stuff up, but from day one you are incentivized to do so. Immediately in bootcamp you are taught to value loyalty to the platoon, and thus the militiary by extension, over all else. If someone gets in trouble everyone gets in trouble, with an emphasis on that the problem was not what happened, but that the NCO's found out something happened. You are made to understand that if you are getting told to come forward and explain why something has happened and who did it, the last thing you should do is say anything. If no one speaks up the punishment is collective but not too bad, usually PT. If someone does speak up the responsible party is harshly punished, the group is also harshly punished, and whomever spoke up is going to get the poo poo beat out of them and the NCO's will also be out to get that person for breaking the code. You very quickly assimilate this info, and learn to never speak up, and cover everything up without question.
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I've seem a terrifying uptick in Qanon and adjacent conspiracy stuff over the last couple months. It's really getting into the groundwater. Most of the people I've seen get into it were already a bit off the beaten path, like a prominent local artist/hippy, or a fairly religious mom I went to school with, but its noticeable. I can't imagine what it looks like to the uninformed, it looks insane to me with context.
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Virtual Russian posted:I would bet you aren't far from the truth. I can't speak for cops, but I am ex-mil. It was a rare day that anyone actually told you how to cover stuff up, but from day one you are incentivized to do so. Immediately in bootcamp you are taught to value loyalty to the platoon, and thus the militiary by extension, over all else. If someone gets in trouble everyone gets in trouble, with an emphasis on that the problem was not what happened, but that the NCO's found out something happened. You are made to understand that if you are getting told to come forward and explain why something has happened and who did it, the last thing you should do is say anything. If no one speaks up the punishment is collective but not too bad, usually PT. If someone does speak up the responsible party is harshly punished, the group is also harshly punished, and whomever spoke up is going to get the poo poo beat out of them and the NCO's will also be out to get that person for breaking the code. You very quickly assimilate this info, and learn to never speak up, and cover everything up without question. Ahhhh the monkeys on the ladder problem.
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As charming as I find qanon psychos online, it bothers me when they go offline and start vandalizing literally (I mean literally) every single street sign and promotional poster that gets put up in my neighborhood with poo poo like "VERY MURDERING 9 DEATHS ANTIFA" and "CLINTONS KILLED EPSTEIN" and "GEORGE SOROS FALSE FLAG TRUTH" and it's always the same guy because the handwriting is the exact same
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Virtual Russian posted:I've seem a terrifying uptick in Qanon and adjacent conspiracy stuff over the last couple months. It's really getting into the groundwater. Most of the people I've seen get into it were already a bit off the beaten path, like a prominent local artist/hippy, or a fairly religious mom I went to school with, but its noticeable. I can't imagine what it looks like to the uninformed, it looks insane to me with context. I'm pretty sure anybody not aware of qanon poo poo would see that post and think ".. do they think the fake drug Hunter S Thompson made up for his drug novel is real?"
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:As charming as I find qanon psychos online, it bothers me when they go offline and start vandalizing literally (I mean literally) every single street sign and promotional poster that gets put up in my neighborhood with poo poo like "VERY MURDERING 9 DEATHS ANTIFA" and "CLINTONS KILLED EPSTEIN" and "GEORGE SOROS FALSE FLAG TRUTH" and it's always the same guy because the handwriting is the exact same
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:I'm pretty sure anybody not aware of qanon poo poo would see that post and think ".. do they think the fake drug Hunter S Thompson made up for his drug novel is real?" its a real drug https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenochrome
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Juul-Whip posted:whoever it is seems to prefer targeting BLM and LGBTQ posters I've seen them on basically anything/everything in East Van, event posters for shows and stuff like that.
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https://www.cp24.com/news/outcome-would-have-been-different-in-rideau-hall-incursion-if-suspect-was-not-white-singh-1.5015606 Singh continuing to 'reverse racism' us old stocks
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quote:“Our intervention, regardless of who the person is, is always based on the environment and the threat cues that are being posed,” he said. “It's got nothing to do with ethnicity, it's to do with the environment that we're in, the threat that we have, the analysis that the officer is making, the subject's behaviour and whatnot, the environment that's around us for tactical cover.” the acronym is WEALTH not RACE but okay good job following the rules you're supposed to follow every time
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Blood Boils posted:https://www.cp24.com/news/outcome-would-have-been-different-in-rideau-hall-incursion-if-suspect-was-not-white-singh-1.5015606 
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our police always show great compassion, patience and tolerance for their fellow human beings the problem is the very narrow definition of human being they have
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Slotducks posted:https://www.canadalandshow.com/trudeau-family-paid-by-we-organization/ https://twitter.com/CANADALAND/status/1281190613287755776 Between that and this I became a paid subscriber today. Canadaland is good e: On that link Jesse also says he's going to look into that story about the London area MPP's family member who got arrested with a ton of drugs and then the police asked the media to not report on it AFTER they issued a press release.
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Virtual Russian posted:I would bet you aren't far from the truth. I can't speak for cops, but I am ex-mil. It was a rare day that anyone actually told you how to cover stuff up, but from day one you are incentivized to do so. Immediately in bootcamp you are taught to value loyalty to the platoon, and thus the militiary by extension, over all else. If someone gets in trouble everyone gets in trouble, with an emphasis on that the problem was not what happened, but that the NCO's found out something happened. You are made to understand that if you are getting told to come forward and explain why something has happened and who did it, the last thing you should do is say anything. If no one speaks up the punishment is collective but not too bad, usually PT. If someone does speak up the responsible party is harshly punished, the group is also harshly punished, and whomever spoke up is going to get the poo poo beat out of them and the NCO's will also be out to get that person for breaking the code. You very quickly assimilate this info, and learn to never speak up, and cover everything up without question. What time frame/element was this, if you don't mind asking? I'm 17 years in and my experience is mostly the opposite, even as a minority. It as an aircrew trade in a field where expertise and positional authority commonly count for more than rank though, and we're encouraged to call out things that are dumb/dangerous/different. Not saying that the military isn't hosed up in many special ways, but there was a derail about this in the Mil Idiots thread yesterday and general consensus was 'hyper-patriotic war thirsty 19 year Marines old in Iraq were better behaved and had a culture less toxic than that of cops'.
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This was mid through late 2000's, Army, infantry trade. BMQ and SQ were particularly bad, we were also an all male platoon, something the NCO's frequently told us they were very happy about. They really pushed us hard, bragged that our platoon had the highest drop-out rate of that intake. We had a few complete breakdowns, including someone doing a partial Gomer Pyle, but with an unloaded mag. No idea what happened to him, taken away by MPs. There was gang-rape while I was there that got covered up and classified as frat, even as a dumb brainwashed teenager that really jaded me. My QL3 NCO's were a bit more professional in some ways, but way way more racist. One had just got back from Afghanistan and talked about shooting wounded Afghani's, saying we should do the same if we end up over there, that certainly left an impression. My actual unit was a lot more chill, we did have a few of those "if you don't stand behind the troops feel free to stand in front of them" types though. I'd hazard a lot of people were much better than cops, but imo the army suffers from very similar institutional problems. Transparency is seen as betrayal of the institution. The public is not explicitly the enemy though. I could see the skilled trades being a lot more professional. I know a lot of people view them as very well paid apprenticeship programs. I however, was an idiot, got in initially as a signaler, and requested immediate transfer to infantry. Didn't learn much besides how to dig a really nice trench, sleep sitting upright in a moving truck, and be irresponsible with money.
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Welp I just got laid off, time to go job hunting again. Any suggestions for the London region?
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Terror Sweat posted:Welp I just got laid off, time to go job hunting again. Any suggestions for the London region? escape london and move to sudbury. when the american economy collapses you will be ahead of the refugees. instead of job hunting i suggest you learn deer hunting.
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Virtual Russian posted:This was mid through late 2000's, Army, infantry trade. BMQ and SQ were particularly bad, we were also an all male platoon, something the NCO's frequently told us they were very happy about. They really pushed us hard, bragged that our platoon had the highest drop-out rate of that intake. We had a few complete breakdowns, including someone doing a partial Gomer Pyle, but with an unloaded mag. No idea what happened to him, taken away by MPs. There was gang-rape while I was there that got covered up and classified as frat, even as a dumb brainwashed teenager that really jaded me. My QL3 NCO's were a bit more professional in some ways, but way way more racist. One had just got back from Afghanistan and talked about shooting wounded Afghani's, saying we should do the same if we end up over there, that certainly left an impression. My actual unit was a lot more chill, we did have a few of those "if you don't stand behind the troops feel free to stand in front of them" types though. I'd hazard a lot of people were much better than cops, but imo the army suffers from very similar institutional problems. Transparency is seen as betrayal of the institution. The public is not explicitly the enemy though. I narrowly avoided being in a combat arm which I'm verrrrry thankful for now. Thinking back on it, most of the fratty clown show bullshit (functional alcoholism, assault, rape, etc) happened on training bases. At the tactical units some of the morale events get pretty boozy and toe the line of propriety pretty hard, but my past couple units have effectively self-policed that poo poo. One-on-one some people whinge about things being "too PC" but a) they're usually factually wrong and 2) if someone is being ironically non-bigoted then gently caress, we've won. Virtual Russian posted:Also we were always told the Air Force's idea of roughing it was staying at a Holiday Inn. Oh man I'd have some stories to tell about this if it wouldn't doxx me. Let's just say that per diem deployments out of hotels are a thing just assume you're always being tailed by state security/foreign third party intelligence services/narco-afilliated gangs, etc  Terror Sweat posted:But what about all my stuff military will transport your poo poo when you move 
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Virtual Russian posted:This was mid through late 2000's, Army, infantry trade. BMQ and SQ were particularly bad, we were also an all male platoon, something the NCO's frequently told us they were very happy about. They really pushed us hard, bragged that our platoon had the highest drop-out rate of that intake. We had a few complete breakdowns, including someone doing a partial Gomer Pyle, but with an unloaded mag. No idea what happened to him, taken away by MPs. There was gang-rape while I was there that got covered up and classified as frat, even as a dumb brainwashed teenager that really jaded me. My QL3 NCO's were a bit more professional in some ways, but way way more racist. One had just got back from Afghanistan and talked about shooting wounded Afghani's, saying we should do the same if we end up over there, that certainly left an impression. My actual unit was a lot more chill, we did have a few of those "if you don't stand behind the troops feel free to stand in front of them" types though. I'd hazard a lot of people were much better than cops, but imo the army suffers from very similar institutional problems. Transparency is seen as betrayal of the institution. The public is not explicitly the enemy though. Jesus Christ. I was considering MOTP thinking that the Canadian Military was more multicultural/ less imperialist than down in the states. That's disgusting. I feel like a moron.
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